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Re: Strategie Debate: Spell builds
By: megmaconqueror Date: October 23, 2010, 12:19 am
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[quote author=MofoBear link=topic=34.msg389#msg389
date=1287742355]
I think we are starting to get off-topic. Plus, i got a little
confused with your answers.
You start assuming things to support your arguments. Not
everyone uses the same skill setup as you do. Not everyone uses
the same items setup as you do. So how can you make
calculations, when you don't know each one's setup? 200hp with
15 secs silence, 500hp+500hp, where did you come up with that?
Hello? Why do you use numbers in your answers since the number
you refer to is totally irrelevant?
Me: if you didn't bulk up you just die
You: Also, using avatar will greatly delay your death, and
gives you enough time to regenerate a good about of life.
Haha, yeah, I was the same way when it first came in. I
stuck with AoE dmg, since Phodom is tanker, he doesn't need that
AoE.
Ok man you are a pro, you have Avatar to bulk up. So, what you
are really trying to say here is to load the campaign from the
start and get Avatar, because aoe is crap and Phodom doesn't
need it. You don't sound very convincing, do you? After all,
tell Aero that all hero skills he made are crap, except the ones
that you use.
Me: 5)I don't use avatar, but i think i might just start using
it from now on
You:5) That 500 hp you lost, would be gone in 5 secs, leaving a
500 hp cushion for the physical attacks that the boss is going
to do.
Could you be more specific please? It's all greek to me.
At level 10, Phodom has 1050 hp, not 1125.
Base hp 175? Jesus, where did you come up with that? Or that
(7.22), what it is? Or that 1000hp you mentioned, stop arguing
about that, you are the one who came up with that number in the
first place, do i have to remind you that? 6) Besides, what kind
of tanker only has 1000 life? I didn't say i have 1000 hp when i
go fight a boss, so stop quoting around that. I just gave you an
answer to your question.
Lvl 10 Phodom, no items on, with lvl 2 Heaven's Bless and lvl 2
Fire Mastery = more than 900hp Insta-Heal, and that's a fact, do
you want me to send the save so you can see for yourself? Can
you (Mofo)beat that with Fire Shield? I guess you can't.
p.s. It's MofoBeaR, not MofoBeaT.
[/quote]
This is a debate on spell builds. So technically can't get off
topic.
I don't assume everyone uses the same skills or items I do. I
never said that that. Look, Phodom starts out with 20 str, and
if you scroll over the main attribute icon, it tells you what
you get either each point in each stat. 1 str = 25 health. 20 *
25 is 500. 675 - 500 is 175, that's is his base health. At level
10, WITH OUT ANY ITEMS OR POTIONS, phodom has 38 str, that's 18
more str, that's 450 health 450 + 500 is 950, add the base hp of
175, it comes out to 1125 health. I am NOT basing my
calculations on items or abilities. I clearly stat, WITH OUT
ITEMS OR ABILITIES, it comes out to X. If I do include an
ability or item, I STATE THAT I AM USING THAT. Read better.
No, I'm not saying start over or that I'm a pro, I suck
actually. I'm just stating the mathematical side, which points
to other sides. You said that Phodom had to bulk up, or he'd
die. I stated that WITH avatar, Phodom bulks up, and doesn't
die. As for AoE, yeah its great, get it, get avatar, I don't
care what you do or how you play. To me, Phodom doesn't need AoE
attack, so who cares what I say? You clearly don't, hell, I
don't even care about it because I know it means nothing to
others that like AoE attack. All the abilities Aero made are
good, for their own situation, just like every other freaking
spell anyone has made. I'm stating which ones have the most
likely, and more common situations to be the spell that excels
at.
[quote]5) That 500 hp you lost, would be gone in 5 secs, leaving
a 500 hp cushion for the physical attacks that the boss is going
to do.
5) Haha, yeah, I was the same way when it first came in. I stuck
with AoE dmg, since Phodom is tanker, he doesn't need that
AoE.[/quote]
Ums, I'm not sure exactly, I think that the first 5) was
something I forgot to delete (rethink, reword, change
statements) XD and I do apologize for that.
Its simple, start the campaign, before leveling up, look at
Phodom's stats, and the gain for each stat. Str is 20, hp for
each str is 25. Now since I knew the str at lvl 10 is 38, I took
(38 - 20)/10 which comes to 1.8 str per level. Going on that,
the base health, and the str at level 1, I calculated how many
levels Phodom needed to get 1000 health. You said low level
tanker, I was giving you the lowest level possible for Phodom to
have 1000 health without items, spell buffs, or any other stat
modifier.
Heaven's Bless: Heal,
(magbonus%+100%)x((abilvlx100)+(intx3)+magbonus)
magbonus% = 0
abilvl = 2
int = 24
magbonus = 272
100%x(200 + 72 + 272)
100%x(544)
100% = 1
1x544 = 544
So unless you have more stats then what Phodom has as a BASE,
then yeah, its going to be bigger. Well, base and Fire Mastery.
And sorry, typo. I mean T is next R. Easy to hit it by mistake.
#Post#: 396--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strategie Debate: Spell builds
By: MofoBear Date: October 23, 2010, 6:34 am
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[quote author=megmaconqueror link=topic=34.msg395#msg395
date=1287811192]
[quote author=MofoBear link=topic=34.msg389#msg389
date=1287742355]
I think we are starting to get off-topic. Plus, i got a little
confused with your answers.
You start assuming things to support your arguments. Not
everyone uses the same skill setup as you do. Not everyone uses
the same items setup as you do. So how can you make
calculations, when you don't know each one's setup? 200hp with
15 secs silence, 500hp+500hp, where did you come up with that?
Hello? Why do you use numbers in your answers since the number
you refer to is totally irrelevant?
Me: if you didn't bulk up you just die
You: Also, using avatar will greatly delay your death, and
gives you enough time to regenerate a good about of life.
Haha, yeah, I was the same way when it first came in. I
stuck with AoE dmg, since Phodom is tanker, he doesn't need that
AoE.
Ok man you are a pro, you have Avatar to bulk up. So, what you
are really trying to say here is to load the campaign from the
start and get Avatar, because aoe is crap and Phodom doesn't
need it. You don't sound very convincing, do you? After all,
tell Aero that all hero skills he made are crap, except the ones
that you use.
Me: 5)I don't use avatar, but i think i might just start using
it from now on
You:5) That 500 hp you lost, would be gone in 5 secs, leaving a
500 hp cushion for the physical attacks that the boss is going
to do.
Could you be more specific please? It's all greek to me.
At level 10, Phodom has 1050 hp, not 1125.
Base hp 175? Jesus, where did you come up with that? Or that
(7.22), what it is? Or that 1000hp you mentioned, stop arguing
about that, you are the one who came up with that number in the
first place, do i have to remind you that? 6) Besides, what kind
of tanker only has 1000 life? I didn't say i have 1000 hp when i
go fight a boss, so stop quoting around that. I just gave you an
answer to your question.
Lvl 10 Phodom, no items on, with lvl 2 Heaven's Bless and lvl 2
Fire Mastery = more than 900hp Insta-Heal, and that's a fact, do
you want me to send the save so you can see for yourself? Can
you (Mofo)beat that with Fire Shield? I guess you can't.
p.s. It's MofoBeaR, not MofoBeaT.
[/quote]
This is a debate on spell builds. So technically can't get off
topic.
I don't assume everyone uses the same skills or items I do. I
never said that that. Look, Phodom starts out with 20 str, and
if you scroll over the main attribute icon, it tells you what
you get either each point in each stat. 1 str = 25 health. 20 *
25 is 500. 675 - 500 is 175, that's is his base health. At level
10, WITH OUT ANY ITEMS OR POTIONS, phodom has 38 str, that's 18
more str, that's 450 health 450 + 500 is 950, add the base hp of
175, it comes out to 1125 health. I am NOT basing my
calculations on items or abilities. I clearly stat, WITH OUT
ITEMS OR ABILITIES, it comes out to X. If I do include an
ability or item, I STATE THAT I AM USING THAT. Read better.
No, I'm not saying start over or that I'm a pro, I suck
actually. I'm just stating the mathematical side, which points
to other sides. You said that Phodom had to bulk up, or he'd
die. I stated that WITH avatar, Phodom bulks up, and doesn't
die. As for AoE, yeah its great, get it, get avatar, I don't
care what you do or how you play. To me, Phodom doesn't need AoE
attack, so who cares what I say? You clearly don't, hell, I
don't even care about it because I know it means nothing to
others that like AoE attack. All the abilities Aero made are
good, for their own situation, just like every other freaking
spell anyone has made. I'm stating which ones have the most
likely, and more common situations to be the spell that excels
at.
[quote]5) That 500 hp you lost, would be gone in 5 secs, leaving
a 500 hp cushion for the physical attacks that the boss is going
to do.
5) Haha, yeah, I was the same way when it first came in. I stuck
with AoE dmg, since Phodom is tanker, he doesn't need that
AoE.[/quote]
Ums, I'm not sure exactly, I think that the first 5) was
something I forgot to delete (rethink, reword, change
statements) XD and I do apologize for that.
Its simple, start the campaign, before leveling up, look at
Phodom's stats, and the gain for each stat. Str is 20, hp for
each str is 25. Now since I knew the str at lvl 10 is 38, I took
(38 - 20)/10 which comes to 1.8 str per level. Going on that,
the base health, and the str at level 1, I calculated how many
levels Phodom needed to get 1000 health. You said low level
tanker, I was giving you the lowest level possible for Phodom to
have 1000 health without items, spell buffs, or any other stat
modifier.
Heaven's Bless: Heal,
(magbonus%+100%)x((abilvlx100)+(intx3)+magbonus)
magbonus% = 0
abilvl = 2
int = 24
magbonus = 272
100%x(200 + 72 + 272)
100%x(544)
100% = 1
1x544 = 544
So unless you have more stats then what Phodom has as a BASE,
then yeah, its going to be bigger. Well, base and Fire Mastery.
And sorry, typo. I mean T is next R. Easy to hit it by mistake.
[/quote]
Wrong wrong wrong. It's all wrong.
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Now the facts:
1)Phodom starts with 600 hp, and gains 2 Str per level.
2)Phodom starts with 45 spell dmg, and gains 3 spell dmg per
level.
3)Phodom at lvl 10 has 1050 hp, not 1125.
4)Phodom at lvl 10 with lvl 2 Heaven's Bless and lvl 2 Fire
Mastery has 944 insta-heal. Now do the math again and find where
your error was.
Edit: OMG. You continue arguing about that 1000hp. NOBODY SAID
ANYTHING ABOUT 1000HP BUT YOU. GET OVER IT. PLZ.
#Post#: 403--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strategie Debate: Spell builds
By: megmaconqueror Date: October 24, 2010, 1:18 am
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So yeah... i don't know whats up O.o My starting hp is 675 and I
get 1150 at level 10.
#Post#: 408--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strategie Debate: Spell builds
By: Aeroblyctos Date: October 24, 2010, 11:34 am
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STR charm? I removed it however...
#Post#: 412--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strategie Debate: Spell builds
By: megmaconqueror Date: October 24, 2010, 2:57 pm
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Nope, nothing. Well, what ever, my comp has been messing with
warcraft III for a few months now. Man I hate windows 7. So
maybe its just a bug caused by my system?
Okay weird, I just started a new one, and I had 600 hp. Haha, I
have no idea what the hell is going on. >.<
#Post#: 436--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strategie Debate: Spell builds
By: megmaconqueror Date: October 28, 2010, 11:13 pm
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Alright, this Debate is dead, so I'm going to request that it
gets closed. A new thread about spell builds will be created,
and will be more focused on the spell builds you choose, more
information will be in the thread.
#Post#: 438--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strategie Debate: Spell builds
By: Aeroblyctos Date: October 29, 2010, 4:25 am
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Okay, then this is closed.
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