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#Post#: 345--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strategie Debate: Spell builds
By: LucasMapurunga Date: October 20, 2010, 8:39 pm
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Sincerely, Fire Mastery seems like a lot better then Aura of
Fire.
I never used them, so i'm talking about what I read here:
1- Fire Mastery really improve your skills. Even if you are in a
late game, a little more damage from Phoenix Combo or Meltdown
or even a spell book spell can make diference.
2- No problems for normal mobs ? Common, you have to worry more
with bosses here. You can have a certain damage reduction in
later levels, but Fire Mastery effect is better. IMO.
3- Heal over time is pretty nice, although making Shield of Fire
insta-heal would make it a LOT better, since we can see the real
cure. Moreover, if getting Fire Mastery makes it better, i'm
with Fire Mastery.
4- I trully don't like Heaven's Bless at all. I think it's a
little bit OPed. :P
#Post#: 350--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strategie Debate: Spell builds
By: MofoBear Date: October 21, 2010, 2:43 am
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[quote author=megmaconqueror link=topic=34.msg343#msg343
date=1287623015]
@MofobBeat
1) Instant heal means just that, instant heal. Every ==> 12
<===, seconds you can heal. Shield of fire, heals over time,
meaning it can act like damage reduction but still heals more
than heaven's bless. And that "major" difference is in favor of
shield of fire, because of the fact that the heal is greater
than heaven's bless. But like I've said before, if you can't
survive, the resurrection is better.
2) If you don't need resurrection, and if the heal is lower and
slower, why use it? You get armor bonus and a bigger heal
overall.
[/quote]
Well, have you ever thought that incoming damage from an epic
boss is bigger than the heal-over-time that Shield of Fire gives
you? Or sometimes the boss casts a super spell and if you didn't
bulk up you just die, armor won't matter there. In my playstyle
when it comes to terms with heal i prefer the instant one, i
don't care if the total heal is greater.
#Post#: 353--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strategie Debate: Spell builds
By: Aeroblyctos Date: October 21, 2010, 3:09 am
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- The idea behind my idea is that I quite don't like the
combination of instant heal and resurrection(original idea was
to have a healing spell with low cooldown and instant heal,
resurrection idea came later...).
- I could let Shield Of Fire stay and edit the Heaven's Bless to
be like heal per second and that resurrection buff.
- Then I could make third ability something like instant heal
and something.
- Actually that 1% is a bug I can't fix. ;D
#Post#: 354--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strategie Debate: Spell builds
By: [H]ell[H]eaven Date: October 21, 2010, 3:36 am
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wall of text, look really confusing :o
I was thinking of Boss's special spell but MofoBear mentioned
abt that already so i just give an example:
Your Phodom has 200/1000 hp when fighting an epic boss
+ u use Shield of Fire which give regen 100hp/sec over 8 sec so
u will hav full hp after 8s. But after 2 s, epic boss uses super
spell make u lose over 500 hp, and u die, game over if don't
have any live
+But if u use Heaven's Bless u can heal instantly 500hp which is
smaller amount than heal 800 hp of Shield of fire( 8 sec) but u
can avoid dying( it's an example, i don't know how many sec u
get regen as well as the exact value u can heal, so example,
every1 can understand)
[quote author=MofoBear link=topic=34.msg350#msg350
date=1287647004]
Or sometimes the boss casts a super spell and if you didn't bulk
up you just die, armor won't matter there
[/quote]
armor can reduce dam from spells as well, in the other hand, it
does increase magic resistance.
We can see that Fire Mastery outmatched Aura of Fire in every
aspects when it comes to boss fight, i agree but do u ever think
abt enjoy campaign in some others way?
I like killing the mob without use any spell or attack, just
make Phodom run around and thing is done :D( and of course,
mobs never never can be a problem with me)
An other point, having resurrect is really good.Think abt u
fight epic boss for 20 mins already in later chapter, look like
everything is in your hand but suddenly the boss uses really
nasty spell and kill off 2 members and the last 1 just die in
matter of second, how u feel? Like Loading game? Nah, i don't
think so. U can buy lives but buy combat king is way more
satisfied me than lives. I never buy live at all, or maybe just
1 live in 1 boss fight is enough.
@megma: u wrote down too much, lol :P. Maybe we should discuss
later though private message. I really don't like read a wall of
text and reply with an other wall of text :(
#Post#: 359--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strategie Debate: Spell builds
By: MofoBear Date: October 21, 2010, 6:25 am
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[quote author=[H]ell[H]eaven link=topic=34.msg354#msg354
date=1287650202]
armor can reduce dam from spells as well, in the other hand, it
does increase magic resistance.
[/quote]
Who told you that? Spell damage has two types: [list]
[li]Physical Damage, reduced by armor[/li]
[li]Magical Damage, reduced by magic resistance[/li]
[/list]
As far as i know, all spells/skills in TCO Campaign deal magical
damage, thus remain unaffected by armor value. I said armor
value, not armor type.
#Post#: 363--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strategie Debate: Spell builds
By: [H]ell[H]eaven Date: October 21, 2010, 6:57 am
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[quote author=MofoBear link=topic=34.msg359#msg359
date=1287660351]
[quote author=[H]ell[H]eaven link=topic=34.msg354#msg354
date=1287650202]
armor can reduce dam from spells as well, in the other hand, it
does increase magic resistance.
[/quote]
Who told you that? Spell damage has two types: [list]
[li]Physical Damage, reduced by armor[/li]
[li]Magical Damage, reduced by magic resistance[/li]
[/list]
As far as i know, all spells/skills in TCO Campaign deal magical
damage, thus remain unaffected by armor value. I said armor
value, not armor type.
[/quote]
I know u said abt Armor value
That was my bad, sr.
#Post#: 366--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strategie Debate: Spell builds
By: megmaconqueror Date: October 21, 2010, 10:36 am
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@Mofo
1) From Chapter 1 alone, my Heal over Time was greater than the
epic boss's dps. Hps was about, 108, epic boss's dps was about
70-100. And the "bulk up" comes from the str and hp that you get
from Avatar.
@HH
1) Shield of Fire lasts 10 seconds. And of course there's a wall
of text. This is a debate, and I invited everyone that had at
least 1 post on their account. There is 5 different opinions
going on right now. I replied to the person's argument. Like I'm
doing here.
Now this explanation hits both Mofo and HH.
1) If Phodom is that low, after casting the shield, continuing
to attack just invites that death.
2) Cast shield, and circle the boss. You keep arggo, and your
dps can still attack.
3) However, if the boss uses an instant AoE then yeah, you're
kinda screwed.
4) But now, if you got a good HoT, why the hell are you at 200
life? That means you're not using it right. You should never be
that low. When fighting the epic boss in chapter one, I never
got that low, at least not without vitality's help.
5) Also, using avatar will greatly delay your death, and gives
you enough time to regenerate a good about of life.
6) Besides, what kind of tanker only has 1000 life?
(By the way HH, found why I kept dying to the epic boss, lol, he
kept taking away my vitality)
@Aero
1) Shield of fire remake here
HTML http://tcocampaign.createaforum.com/index.php?topic=36.0
:P
2) Hmm... alright. So then, if you don't like it, change it. I
mean, you've already said what sounds good to you. So you can do
that. :)
#Post#: 369--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strategie Debate: Spell builds
By: MofoBear Date: October 21, 2010, 10:45 am
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[quote author=megmaconqueror link=topic=34.msg366#msg366
date=1287675383]
@Mofo
1) From Chapter 1 alone, my Heal over Time was greater than the
epic boss's dps. Hps was about, 108, epic boss's dps was about
70-100. And the "bulk up" comes from the str and hp that you get
from Avatar.
Now this explanation hits both Mofo and HH.
1) If Phodom is that low, after casting the shield, continuing
to attack just invites that death.
2) Cast shield, and circle the boss. You keep arggo, and your
dps can still attack.
3) However, if the boss uses an instant AoE then yeah, you're
kinda screwed.
4) But now, if you got a good HoT, why the hell are you at 200
life? That means you're not using it right. You should never be
that low. When fighting the epic boss in chapter one, I never
got that low, at least not without vitality's help.
5) Also, using avatar will greatly delay your death, and gives
you enough time to regenerate a good about of life.
6) Besides, what kind of tanker only has 1000 life?
(By the way HH, found why I kept dying to the epic boss, lol, he
kept taking away my vitality)
[/quote]
Who said i m using Avatar? Well i don't, i usually get aoe
attack.
1)Yes, that's what i m talking about.
2)I cast Heaven's Bless and circle the boss, it's the same
thing. After 12 secs i cast 2nd heal and attack, that's a
no-brainer.
3)That's where Heaven's Bless excels.
4)You have 200 hp because you got silenced/stuned and you don't
use healing pots. At least that's why i manage to hit 200 hp.
5)I don't use avatar, but i think i might just start using it
from now on.
6)The low lvl tanker that doesn't use avatar.
#Post#: 377--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strategie Debate: Spell builds
By: megmaconqueror Date: October 21, 2010, 7:37 pm
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@Mofobeat
1) Who said that you are using it?
2) You said [quote]if you didn't bulk up you just die[/quote]
2a) I answered with [quote]Also, using avatar will greatly delay
your death, and gives you enough time to regenerate a good about
of life.[/quote]
3) Only Silence would would make you have 200 hp, and that's if
it is like, 15 seconds or more, well maybe 10 seconds depending
on timing.
4) With epic bosses, you should always know what to expect. If
there's a stun, and you know about the hp % that he uses a
spell, then you can time shield of fire right, and that stun
wouldn't mean crap.
5) That 500 hp you lost, would be gone in 5 secs, leaving a 500
hp cushion for the physical attacks that the boss is going to
do.
5) Haha, yeah, I was the same way when it first came in. I stuck
with AoE dmg, since Phodom is tanker, he doesn't need that AoE.
6) At level 10, Phodom HAS 1125 health, he has a base hp of 175,
and str of 38, its 25 hp per str. Add in about 20-30 str from
items, that's another 750 (30 str) making it 1875 hp.
6a) So unless you have some item or ability that reduced str, or
are not level 7/8 yet, only 1000 hp is impossible. By level 7/8
(7.22) you will have 1000 hp, with out any items, hp buffs, or
spells. And I doubt anyone is going to fight the epic boss while
not being maxed lvl for the chapter.
#Post#: 389--------------------------------------------------
Re: Strategie Debate: Spell builds
By: MofoBear Date: October 22, 2010, 5:12 am
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[quote author=megmaconqueror link=topic=34.msg377#msg377
date=1287707852]
@Mofobeat
1) Who said that you are using it?
2) You said [quote]if you didn't bulk up you just die[/quote]
2a) I answered with [quote]Also, using avatar will greatly delay
your death, and gives you enough time to regenerate a good about
of life.[/quote]
3) Only Silence would would make you have 200 hp, and that's if
it is like, 15 seconds or more, well maybe 10 seconds depending
on timing.
4) With epic bosses, you should always know what to expect. If
there's a stun, and you know about the hp % that he uses a
spell, then you can time shield of fire right, and that stun
wouldn't mean crap.
5) That 500 hp you lost, would be gone in 5 secs, leaving a 500
hp cushion for the physical attacks that the boss is going to
do.
5) Haha, yeah, I was the same way when it first came in. I stuck
with AoE dmg, since Phodom is tanker, he doesn't need that AoE.
6) At level 10, Phodom HAS 1125 health, he has a base hp of 175,
and str of 38, its 25 hp per str. Add in about 20-30 str from
items, that's another 750 (30 str) making it 1875 hp.
6a) So unless you have some item or ability that reduced str, or
are not level 7/8 yet, only 1000 hp is impossible. By level 7/8
(7.22) you will have 1000 hp, with out any items, hp buffs, or
spells. And I doubt anyone is going to fight the epic boss while
not being maxed lvl for the chapter.
[/quote]
I think we are starting to get off-topic. Plus, i got a little
confused with your answers.
You start assuming things to support your arguments. Not
everyone uses the same skill setup as you do. Not everyone uses
the same items setup as you do. So how can you make
calculations, when you don't know each one's setup? 200hp with
15 secs silence, 500hp+500hp, where did you come up with that?
Hello? Why do you use numbers in your answers since the number
you refer to is totally irrelevant?
Me: if you didn't bulk up you just die
You: Also, using avatar will greatly delay your death, and
gives you enough time to regenerate a good about of life.
Haha, yeah, I was the same way when it first came in. I
stuck with AoE dmg, since Phodom is tanker, he doesn't need that
AoE.
Ok man you are a pro, you have Avatar to bulk up. So, what you
are really trying to say here is to load the campaign from the
start and get Avatar, because aoe is crap and Phodom doesn't
need it. You don't sound very convincing, do you? After all,
tell Aero that all hero skills he made are crap, except the ones
that you use.
Me: 5)I don't use avatar, but i think i might just start using
it from now on
You:5) That 500 hp you lost, would be gone in 5 secs, leaving a
500 hp cushion for the physical attacks that the boss is going
to do.
Could you be more specific please? It's all greek to me.
At level 10, Phodom has 1050 hp, not 1125.
Base hp 175? Jesus, where did you come up with that? Or that
(7.22), what it is? Or that 1000hp you mentioned, stop arguing
about that, you are the one who came up with that number in the
first place, do i have to remind you that? 6) Besides, what kind
of tanker only has 1000 life? I didn't say i have 1000 hp when i
go fight a boss, so stop quoting around that. I just gave you an
answer to your question.
Lvl 10 Phodom, no items on, with lvl 2 Heaven's Bless and lvl 2
Fire Mastery = more than 900hp Insta-Heal, and that's a fact, do
you want me to send the save so you can see for yourself? Can
you (Mofo)beat that with Fire Shield? I guess you can't.
p.s. It's MofoBeaR, not MofoBeaT.
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