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#Post#: 13423--------------------------------------------------
Onward, onward towords destruction!
By: Blackdoom59 Date: July 2, 2013, 3:41 pm
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So in the short 2-3 years that I've been on this forum I got to
know aero , the main admin and the maker of this wonderful
campaign. I called aero greedy , people said he's just stubborn.
I get his life is hard , that he has no money , time ,
motivation , guts to continue this campaign. I understand that.
I get that he asks for donations , people who got money to spare
should donate them if they truly support him.
But let's be honest , this forum dosen't have more then 15
active members. And how much money does aero demand for a full
campaign that he said countless times in the past he will
finnish under ANY circumstances?
Basic math:
800+
700
150
200
500
100
050
150
075
075
100
200
075
100
010
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3285(i was in a hurry when I calculated so I may have gotten it
wrong) US dollars.
3285 $ - a full wc3 campaign
VS
460$ - Assassins creed 4 + Playstation 4
Ain't greedy eh?This is a dead forum , with a corrupt leader,
selling a mod for a dead game with a price that will make you
wanna die.
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Re: Onward, onward towords destruction!
By: Shinokyofu Date: July 2, 2013, 4:33 pm
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It's expensive! Okay, but you should remember the differences
about these two examples you give. I mean, I think you know
it...Perhaps if you could compare another war3 related
map/campaign (uh...DotA?), it would make more sense.
[quote author=Blackdoom59 link=topic=1430.msg13423#msg13423
date=1372797691]
460$ - Assassins creed 4 + Playstation 4
[/quote]
... :'(
And, yes, I agree that a not-exactly complete campaign with a
dead forum isn't appealing at all. Also, those prices are scary
as hell in every way you see them .
But, even it's not normal, I know some reasons that could
"excuse" (not explain, there's no explanation...well, greedy
perhaps...) the prices.
1. Despair :P.
2. Lack of donators (consumers), that contribute to the raise of
ANY kind of price.
3. Inexperience :P.
4. A few minor excuses such as "not a must for the campaign"
just "extras" or something like that. It's like giving free
food, a very good, but spicy food and then sell water for $10 a
cup or something...There would be the people who would die from
spiciness overdose rather than buying the water, but others
would buy it.
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Re: Onward, onward towords destruction!
By: Flecky Date: July 3, 2013, 10:30 am
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Exactly Black, if I can make a choice between two pay-to-play
games, I'll rather pick the one that gives more features per $
spent.
Tbh I'm only here anymore because of you two - I've mostly moved
to Hive now and if you two did I wouldn't come back here
anymore. This place is just so dead and predictions promise no
better.
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Re: Onward, onward towords destruction!
By: Goide Date: July 4, 2013, 9:50 pm
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[quote author=Flecky link=topic=1430.msg13430#msg13430
date=1372865400]
...This place is just so dead and predictions promise no better.
[/quote]
It depends...if Aero is somehow sucessful with his book and
other "TCO products"...
About the "prices"... I would take them out if I were Aero. They
are not a good thing to be shown. Just announce that with some
good donations you will make the rest of the campaign. If the
donations are good(nothing like a certain price), the motivation
rises and you start doing the promises. Of course, you could
always have the fixed expensive prices in your mind without
telling people. Not a good thing to do though...
The amount of money is just ridiculous, and surely make people
think that, even if they donate, there won't have anything new
in the campaign anytime soon, because they know the donations
are not steady, nor good enough, and the prices are just too
big.
#Post#: 13440--------------------------------------------------
Re: Onward, onward towords destruction!
By: Aeroblyctos Date: July 8, 2013, 5:51 am
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That's pretty much reason why I'm moving from Warcraft III to
books so that I can continue doing the story I so much love.
My idea is that when the first book is done I come here finish
the campaign and check out the donation section and then finish
all the things that has been fulfilled. Some of those are pretty
important for later story and are definitely linked to the book
stories(for example chapter 10 Elite and Epic).
Maybe people start to look differently the whole campaign after
reading a book or another of mine and then people will more
happily donate just to finish the campaign. Or maybe not, we'll
see. I will continue the story, no matter what.
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Re: Onward, onward towords destruction!
By: Fishfoot Date: July 28, 2013, 10:25 pm
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[quote author=Blackdoom59 link=topic=1430.msg13423#msg13423
date=1372797691]
3285 $ - a full wc3 campaign
VS
460$ - Assassins creed 4 + Playstation 4
[/quote]
There are 3 VERY MAJOR things wrong with this comparison.
#1: $3,285 is the budget price for making the "full" campaign of
TCO(which is entirely optional I should add).
I can assure you that AC4's budget will be well beyond $460(AC1
& AC2's budget were around $22 million EACH, iirc). $460 is the
price which will allow you access to the game(this is a
mandatory payment, by the way, unlike the "price" for TCO which
will always be free for anyone who has WC3:TFT[$20 total for
base and xpansion on the Blizzard store right now]).
#2: $460 will be the total price an INDIVIDUAL person pays to be
able to play AC4 on the PS4.
$3,285 would be the accumulated amount of money by several
payments from MULTIPLE people. No one person needs to pay the
complete amount to open up all the content. For example:
If 100 people donated $33 each, ALL of the additional content
would be available to EVERYONE(even those who don't pay).
#3: I've said this before already, but... It. Is. Optional!!
As unlikely as it already is for a large amount of people to
decide to donate, it'll be even less so for those that read the
OP which will only hinder the chance of any additional content
being added to the mod.
I do think, though, that the cost requirement for many of the
features should be dropped quite a bit. It'll be less scary to
potential donors if the goals are more easily attainable.
EDIT:
Also, Aero...
Relying on your book to sell is extremely risky, especially if
you lack the resources to market it to the public. They won't
buy your book if they don't know it exists. I'm hoping you saved
some money to put into advertising your book because going by
word of mouth alone is a very unreliable way of getting your
product out to the public. As a note to anyone who reads this:
ALWAYS have a reliable source of income.
I will tell you, Aero, something that a "wise sage" had said
before in the event that your book's publicity is struggling:
"Advertise like shameless whores." Not literally like a whore,
of course. Just market your book to the point that your dignity
is hanging by a thread. Hopefully, though, it won't come to
that. :P
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Re: Onward, onward towords destruction!
By: Shinokyofu Date: July 29, 2013, 9:06 am
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1. Agree
2. Agree
3. Agree, but exactly because it's optional and "kind of minor"
thing, the prices shouldn't be that big (well, you already said
this in another way...)
While I agree that it's risky to rely on a book, I can say that
if it get known, it'll probably be okay. Well, the big problems
is exactly turning it to be known by the people. Aero's ability
to write is also another factor that can be dangerous. He can't
rely only on his story (that is the strong point of the book in
my opinion).
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