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Tell us about the book!
By: goku94 Date: June 5, 2013, 5:45 pm
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Man, tell us more about the book. I was thinking and I have some
questions, maybe, if you haven't thought about some of it yet,
this is a good time. So I was thinking, in which order did you
come up with the idea of creating Oeliviert and the idea of
making a campaign? Was it like "Hey, I'm gonna invent a story.
Okay, I'm done. Wow, this game is great, I'll make a campaign
with my story in it", or was it like "Wow, this game is great. I
should make a campaign - let's be straight, everyone knows I'm
awesome at it. Now I only need my own story." Becouse if it was
the first one - awesome. It was like "I wanna have bear-men and
winged vampires in the basement in my story. Oh, this game has
such things - good, I don't have to make my own units.".
Otherwise, it was like "Hm, this game has bear-men, I should
adapt them to my story, only change the name and voila." What I
mean is, if you made up your own creatures and created their
appereance in your mind, then the idea is yours alone and you
can freely put it in the book. But if you decided, that there
would be Kazas in the story only becouse you wanted to see
Fulborgs in your campaign - well, it looks a little like a
plagiarism.
Another thing is the climate in your world. Warcraft III was
actually meant to be funny and cute. Ogres with two heads - like
two separate brains and only one body, you can't not laugh.
Those friendly, green skinned orcs, the grotesque dread lords
and ghouls, and Doom Lords and their beards, oh my god. And
Fulborgs, meant to be loved by children. Oeliviert doesn't seem
anything alike. Dragons taken directly from Neverwinter Nights,
enslaving men for millenias, world dying with each passing day,
damn cold mountains, where no life can persist. If you thought
about Oeliviert only as a setting for a campaign based on
Warcraft rules, then you surely must have something else in your
mind, when thinking about the book. Do Kazas still looke like
Fulborgs in your mind? Do Maraudar Clansmen still have that
grotesque green skin and look like Black Rock worlocks? Does
Galeoth realy have that paladin head attached to Kael's body?
You surely must see what I have in mind. So which was first, the
story, or the campaign? In the book, is Phodom going to finally
have a face? I must admit, he is awesome, becouse he has no
head. After 7 great chapters, no face would fit to that badass
motherfucker. After 7 chapters he is in every of our minds only
an utterly awesome walking, talking armour! If you ever describe
Phodom's head in the book, you're gonna ruin it for everybody.
Thinking of a first-person narration would be a good choice.
Well, we have seen a peasant, but that really isn't what we
think about while thinking about Phodom - especially that his
armour is twice as big at the man we see at the beginning.
Or maybe the book is going to be a totally different story? No
Phodom, no Galeoth, no Balgaron? Well, the campaign story in
it's present form is a no material for a book. However, when I
think about Oeliviert, I only think of that walking armour.
Without it, the book is gonna be nothing. We surely don't want
to read about some Damanthe or some other minor looser - we only
wan't Phodom. Well, at least I do.
Will there be a lot of history, culture and geography in the
book? Man, I love those things in fantasy! When I play Dragon
Age, I can't stop reading and listening about Minrathus, the
Qunari, first plauge, Arlathan, that's the most interesting part
of the game. I surely would love to read about that kind of
stuff about Oeliviert. From the campaign we don't really know
anything about the world.
Last one - that I remember. Do you have a publisher? I'm not
gonna read it in Finnish, but I'd read it if translated to
polish or english. Although it would suck, that I couldn't read
the original language - many emotions and style nuances are
usually lost while translating a book.
Well, I hope I haven't offended you.
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Re: Tell us about the book!
By: Pourquoi Date: June 5, 2013, 7:25 pm
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[quote] Dragons taken directly from Neverwinter Nights[/quote]
You mean Dungeons and Dragons?
[quote]Or maybe the book is going to be a totally different
story? No Phodom, no Galeoth, no Balgaron?[/quote]
The book is meant to be either a sequel to TCO, or a completely
new story, which either way won't feature Phodom, Fradz, or
Galeoth.
#Post#: 13264--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tell us about the book!
By: Aeroblyctos Date: June 6, 2013, 2:19 am
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[quote=goku94]Man, tell us more about the book. I was thinking
and I have some questions, maybe, if you haven't thought about
some of it yet, this is a good time. So I was thinking, in which
order did you come up with the idea of creating Oeliviert and
the idea of making a campaign? Was it like "Hey, I'm gonna
invent a story. Okay, I'm done. Wow, this game is great, I'll
make a campaign with my story in it", or was it like "Wow, this
game is great. I should make a campaign - let's be straight,
everyone knows I'm awesome at it. Now I only need my own story."
Becouse if it was the first one - awesome. It was like "I wanna
have bear-men and winged vampires in the basement in my story.
Oh, this game has such things - good, I don't have to make my
own units.". Otherwise, it was like "Hm, this game has bear-men,
I should adapt them to my story, only change the name and
voila." What I mean is, if you made up your own creatures and
created their appereance in your mind, then the idea is yours
alone and you can freely put it in the book. But if you decided,
that there would be Kazas in the story only becouse you wanted
to see Fulborgs in your campaign - well, it looks a little like
a plagiarism. [/quote]
Actually it is the second thing. That is why the story of TCO is
such an abomination and I had to remake it over and over again.
There are many weak points in the campaign. Also I've always
been limited to Wc3 resources entire time which made me to do
some hard choices. It was fun to do so - but it has made me
tired. If I ever would do another campaign, I would plan in
entirely before starting to create one. I've been now planning
the book 3 years but last 10 months I have been very active. I
haven't really started writing it yet - just there and there.
[quote=goku94]Another thing is the climate in your world.
Warcraft III was actually meant to be funny and cute. Ogres with
two heads - like two separate brains and only one body, you
can't not laugh. Those friendly, green skinned orcs, the
grotesque dread lords and ghouls, and Doom Lords and their
beards, oh my god. And Fulborgs, meant to be loved by children.
Oeliviert doesn't seem anything alike. Dragons taken directly
from Neverwinter Nights, enslaving men for millenias, world
dying with each passing day, damn cold mountains, where no life
can persist. If you thought about Oeliviert only as a setting
for a campaign based on Warcraft rules, then you surely must
have something else in your mind, when thinking about the book.
Do Kazas still looke like Fulborgs in your mind? Do Maraudar
Clansmen still have that grotesque green skin and look like
Black Rock worlocks? Does Galeoth realy have that paladin head
attached to Kael's body?[/quote]
Last months the story has gone really forward and I've been
thinking and doing the background story at a huge speed. Yes
there still will other beings that are not humans and can talk.
In the book you'll meet Nazes(trolls) pretty early and, the main
character challenges one to duel - and loses. You'll also meet
Kazas(furbolgs) very late of the story(same Kazas as in chapter
5) when already the group is almost in their destination.
Of course I will tweak the beings and characters to way I like.
But character like Fradz, Galeoth, Tharo, Xanophin, king of
Balgaron and many more will be seen at this story. For example
Fradz offers the group some free beers - as he just won a
tournament at Saoloth.
[quote=goku94]You surely must see what I have in mind. So which
was first, the story, or the campaign? In the book, is Phodom
going to finally have a face? I must admit, he is awesome,
becouse he has no head. After 7 great chapters, no face would
fit to that badass motherfucker. After 7 chapters he is in every
of our minds only an utterly awesome walking, talking armour! If
you ever describe Phodom's head in the book, you're gonna ruin
it for everybody. Thinking of a first-person narration would be
a good choice.[/quote]
I'm not sure if Phodom will be seen at first book because at
this point he's living with his family at Dalli. (the book is 3
years before TCO and the second book continues the story of TCO)
But he'll be definitely seen later in the books - and you'll
eventually know why. Maybe I could make it like Phodom's face is
never shown - but in the very end.
[quote=goku94]Or maybe the book is going to be a totally
different story? No Phodom, no Galeoth, no Balgaron? Well, the
campaign story in it's present form is a no material for a book.
However, when I think about Oeliviert, I only think of that
walking armour. Without it, the book is gonna be nothing. We
surely don't want to read about some Damanthe or some other
minor looser - we only wan't Phodom. Well, at least I
do.[/quote]
First of all, we must remember that the first book is like an
introduction to world of Oelivert. Basic elements will be told
like how magic will work, what nations are there, what beings
and so on, etc, etc. Also characters from the campaign are
actually side characters - well expect for Tharo but he will
come later. But indeed the final destination is Balgaron and
Terdoom Castle - where the boy will be trained to a Dragon
Slayer and complete his training as an Othodom. We won't see
much of Phodom if not all at this point - but I sure you that he
will be one of the key characters in the story in a good or bad
way.
[quote=goku94]Will there be a lot of history, culture and
geography in the book? Man, I love those things in fantasy! When
I play Dragon Age, I can't stop reading and listening about
Minrathus, the Qunari, first plauge, Arlathan, that's the most
interesting part of the game. I surely would love to read about
that kind of stuff about Oeliviert. From the campaign we don't
really know anything about the world.[/quote]
Definitely. With help of my friend we will draw two maps where
the characters travels. Also I've been studying things like
democracy, socialism and different dictatorships. Unlike other
stories, the nations are build different ways and have thousand
of years history. For example Balgaron is a kingdom, but Saoloth
is somewhat a socialism type of country not to mention popags
who are more than a socialism country who even share their
babies - there are no mothers or fathers. The group will
eventually go to one city of popags, deep underground.
TCO story is so narrow and tells only things from perspective of
Balgaron. There are many nations that hasn't even cared about
the dragons(mostly because they never needed to fight against
them). There are nations who fight against each other, there are
nations who are ruled by the dragons. TCO is just so small
compared to what I've in my mind right now. But everything in
the end leads to dragons, Zhyons and some very strong
characters.
[quote=goku94]Last one - that I remember. Do you have a
publisher? I'm not gonna read it in Finnish, but I'd read it if
translated to polish or english. Although it would suck, that I
couldn't read the original language - many emotions and style
nuances are usually lost while translating a book.[/quote]
First I focus on writing and inventing the book.
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Re: Tell us about the book!
By: Flecky Date: June 6, 2013, 5:59 am
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Only the toughest part IS to find a good publisher; that's when
you know your book will actually have some potential in this
sort of business.
#Post#: 13268--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tell us about the book!
By: Aeroblyctos Date: June 6, 2013, 6:04 am
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Yep, yep.
EDIT: Oh, and I forgot that it's enjoying answer to these
questions. More, more.
#Post#: 13271--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tell us about the book!
By: goku94 Date: June 6, 2013, 1:32 pm
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[quote author=Pourquoi link=topic=1417.msg13257#msg13257
date=1370478351]
[quote] Dragons taken directly from Neverwinter Nights[/quote]
You mean Dungeons and Dragons?
[/quote]
No, I meant that how they look, animations, models and textures
are from Neverwinter Nights. Taloon and Yurgimar are from NWN 1
and Xvareon is from NWN 2. I only made it to chapter 7, no
spoilers...
#Post#: 13336--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tell us about the book!
By: Aeroblyctos Date: June 10, 2013, 6:46 am
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Yes, yes. I'm very limited with these things.
#Post#: 13511--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tell us about the book!
By: TrueZozi Date: October 27, 2013, 8:43 am
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Aero, what about your book current progress?
#Post#: 13517--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tell us about the book!
By: Aeroblyctos Date: November 5, 2013, 4:44 pm
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Read here:
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