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Re: Be friendly
By: Shinokyofu Date: September 4, 2012, 11:36 am
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[quote author=Aeroblyctos link=topic=1250.msg10544#msg10544
date=1346761110]
First of all, be an adult. Think like an adult and don't start
or continue flamewars. I understand most of us are not adults,
but at least try to be like one. Be friendly and understand
others without looking their age or where they are from. Do not
mock other members around the site.
If you need to mock someone, mock me. I can take that. But many
of us can't.
[/quote]
You don't need to be a adult to act like one, and you can pretty
much act like a little kid being an adult.
From what i know, ages and nationalities aren't problems. There
are people that thinks the "dramatic ones" are girls, and this
is a preconception, but we know that it's nothing but people
joking around.
[quote author=Aeroblyctos link=topic=1250.msg10544#msg10544
date=1346761110]
[quote=Shinokyofu]It's a forum! Follow the rules! Besides that
you don't have to pleasure anyone else. If someone call you a
fanboy...sorry for you, but people already called me things way
worse than this(not in this forum). If you feel this hurt just
because of this, it's just ridiculous...who the heck cares for
what someone from the other side of the world is thinking about
you?[/quote]
People are different, we have to remember that. That is why we
should understand our differences. Especially as this is global
forum, anyone can join from from anywhere. It's better to be
careful with your words than be hasty.
[/quote]
Yeah, i don't want a third world war to start here on the forum.
But this is no less than the truth, if it's within the rules,
you can do, it's common sense. Of course, it's no excuse for
hurting anyone's feelings. It's much better to be a nice guy,
even if you're as idiot as...me. If you try to act like a jerk,
you'll be a true idiot though.
What i really tried to say is that you have no reason to acts
friendly towards someone, so people have to be strong, if
something simple as a insult makes someone that unhappy, i must
say that he/she needs some training. We are in our own little
world. Should I remember what happens outside here? It wouldn't
be wrong to call this some child's play. And act all sad about
this wouldn't make you the same as a kid that lost the game?
Well the fact is that all people here like drama(yes, EVERYONE
in the forum, no exceptions), yet the drama often loses control
and then these long and boring discussions are made. Well, i
know that this situation is pretty much resolved now, but...may
i count the number of days between this problem and the next one
;D?
[quote author=Flecky link=topic=1250.msg10556#msg10556
date=1346772277]
[quote author=Yggdrasill link=topic=1250.msg10555#msg10555
date=1346772106]
[quote]Do you really need to be convinced to follow these simple
guidelines?[/quote]
Because he's Flecky.[/quote]
Being colorful obligates.
[/quote]
:D
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Re: Be friendly
By: hamza_tm Date: September 4, 2012, 4:42 pm
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Thank you Yggdrasill, the forum appreciates it.
Shin, I don't know what kind of a society you live in (lol) but
I can assure you that people deserve friendliness and respect,
and that applies to real life as well as on forums etc.
If you do not show friendliness and respect then you deserve to
be (if it's a forum) banned, and that is what happens on all
successful forums I can assure you. luckily most people are by
nature inclined to be friendly and respectful.
Being mature enough to deal with insults is another matter, and
you are right people should be able to deal with it. But that
doesn't mean it's OK to do whatever you like and expect others
to deal with it. If that's your idea of a forum then thank God
you aren't an administrator :D
#Post#: 10563--------------------------------------------------
Re: Be friendly
By: doomlord Date: September 4, 2012, 5:37 pm
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[quote author=hamza_tm link=topic=1250.msg10551#msg10551
date=1346765682]
I can see that a lot of the stuff you said were due to that
misunderstanding there, but then when he cleared it up right at
the end, you didn't apologize at all.
That was the main problem
After you realise you misunderstood and realise how your actions
are being portrayed now that you know what has happened, it
would have been right to apologize then, not simply:
[quote]Oops, I didn't see that. Well that is very nice of you to
do so.
Anyway about this whole arguement I think we should end it here.
Let bygone be bygone okay?[/quote]
He has been wronged and at this point after you realise it, just
ending it off like that is an injustice, and this is what led to
me using the word "disgusting".
So at the very least, I think you owe Merlon a public apology to
his name. He may not see it but at least other people will know
that there is justice on these Forums.
[/quote]
Woah woah hold on just a minute right here. I am not the one who
insulted Merlon directly and I am also not the one who insulted
him again and called him a 'fanboy'. I admitted that I did
insult him in my post directed at CroCo, but it only accounted
for, what, 10% of the total amount of insult he took here. Not
to mention I am not supposed to be the one who ends the
arguement, who started it shall ended it. Not because I am
apologetic and you can push it too far like that. Where is the
justice in forcing one who are only partially responsible for an
issue to take all the shame to himself?
Yggy and I already apologized and I think it is enough on our
part.
#Post#: 10564--------------------------------------------------
Re: Be friendly
By: Aeroblyctos Date: September 5, 2012, 1:31 am
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[quote=Flecky]And there's a reason why this never pays out:
Imagine I was mad at somebody here on the forums, and I would
blame you for it. How would it ever satisfy me? What would you
reply to the insults I spitted on you instead of the person the
situation is actually about? Or moreover, would you even reply
AT ALL, so was I just talking myself and it should help
me?[/quote]
If you're mad to someone you don't need to start blaming. You
can talk over.
Anyway, I just tried to be a martyr.
[quote=Flecky]I already tried to talk with you about this, but
you just backed off; How fair is it that people can call others
elitists but elitists can't call others fanboys? Would you just
please explain this instead of ignoring like the last
time?[/quote]
Goes both ways. Stop being elitist and fanboy. Let's all just be
what we really are: members of the forum.
[quote=Shinokyofu]You don't need to be a adult to act like one,
and you can pretty much act like a little kid being an adult.
From what i know, ages and nationalities aren't problems. There
are people that thinks the "dramatic ones" are girls, and this
is a preconception, but we know that it's nothing but people
joking around.[/quote]
I don't believe in that. Yes some people can be drama queens,
but some really are hurt easier than others.
#Post#: 10568--------------------------------------------------
Re: Be friendly
By: hamza_tm Date: September 5, 2012, 5:01 am
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[quote author=Doomlord link=topic=1250.msg10563#msg10563
date=1346798260]
[quote author=hamza_tm link=topic=1250.msg10551#msg10551
date=1346765682]
I can see that a lot of the stuff you said were due to that
misunderstanding there, but then when he cleared it up right at
the end, you didn't apologize at all.
That was the main problem
After you realise you misunderstood and realise how your actions
are being portrayed now that you know what has happened, it
would have been right to apologize then, not simply:
[quote]Oops, I didn't see that. Well that is very nice of you to
do so.
Anyway about this whole arguement I think we should end it here.
Let bygone be bygone okay?[/quote]
He has been wronged and at this point after you realise it, just
ending it off like that is an injustice, and this is what led to
me using the word "disgusting".
So at the very least, I think you owe Merlon a public apology to
his name. He may not see it but at least other people will know
that there is justice on these Forums.
[/quote]
Woah woah hold on just a minute right here. I am not the one who
insulted Merlon directly and I am also not the one who insulted
him again and called him a 'fanboy'. I admitted that I did
insult him in my post directed at CroCo, but it only accounted
for, what, 10% of the total amount of insult he took here. Not
to mention I am not supposed to be the one who ends the
arguement, who started it shall ended it. Not because I am
apologetic and you can push it too far like that. Where is the
justice in forcing one who are only partially responsible for an
issue to take all the shame to himself?
Yggy and I already apologized and I think it is enough on our
part.
[/quote]
Agreed that you weren't the one insulting him the most, but the
"problem" wasn't the insulting. Insulting is a light matter to
be perfectly honest, it shows that the person (doing the
insults) is uneducated and immature. There were much bigger
problems going on.
Well for one thing not once did you agree or indicate that he
had been wronged or that Yggy was to blame. How can you end the
argument with that injustice raging in the background? To
attempt to end it means that you think everything has been
settled. Well if Yggy tried to end it like that, it would have
been even worse!
Anyway what you did that required apologizing to Merlon directly
is
1. Supporting Yggy even though he was wrong (seriously, even if
Yggy at one point wanted to apologize, there is very little
chance he would - because after reading your posts and your
support, now if he does then he is shaming you after you spoke
so strongly in his favour). Supporting him means you agree with
what he is saying, which means you condone the insults he meted
out.
2. Attacking the one guy who actually spoke out against the
injustice (I can assure you any insults spoken to him, Merlon
would have felt it), although to simplify things I won't bother
breaking down your post against Croco and point out the multiple
issues atm.
3. Calling them fanboys and saying that they are the ones who
want a war, acting like you and Yggy are the ones being attacked
when it is completely the opposite.
4. Ignoring Yggys insults against Merlon, not only that but
acting as if they were not insults, as if it was just a light
matter. I said above that insults weren't the problem, but if
you insult someone then it needs to be clear that that is the
case - if someone comes up and says "that isn't even an insult"
then it suddenly MAKES it a problem.
5. Belittling Merlons contribution and hard work, comparing it
to Yggys massive contribution (ie elitism, making him feel
unwanted and that he is wasting his time here)
6. After realising your misunderstanding (ie realising that
Merlon was innocent), not apologizing to him or speaking on his
behalf or joining his side, but rather ignoring all the
injustice and ending it as if everything is fair and square.
If you are innocent of any of this feel free to point out how,
anyhow I think that stuff deserves a direct apology to Merlon,
not just apologizing for your actions in the incident, and then
posting that you were only about 10% of the problem. Truth be
told, IMO Yggy's actions were definitely bad, but not as bad as
what you did.
#Post#: 10569--------------------------------------------------
Re: Be friendly
By: doomlord Date: September 5, 2012, 5:23 am
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Your post is indeed true. I apologize to Merlon for what I did
in the Bug Masterthread and hope he will forgive me.
[quote author=hamza_tm link=topic=1250.msg10568#msg10568
date=1346839270]
1. Supporting Yggy even though he was wrong (seriously, even if
Yggy at one point wanted to apologize, there is very little
chance he would - because after reading your posts and your
support, now if he does then he is shaming you after you spoke
so strongly in his favour). Supporting him means you agree with
what he is saying, which means you condone the insults he meted
out.
[/quote]
Agreed. I was wrong about this.
[quote author=hamza_tm link=topic=1250.msg10568#msg10568
date=1346839270]
2. Attacking the one guy who actually spoke out against the
injustice (I can assure you any insults spoken to him, Merlon
would have felt it), although to simplify things I won't bother
breaking down your post against Croco and point out the multiple
issues atm.
3. Calling them fanboys and saying that they are the ones who
want a war, acting like you and Yggy are the ones being attacked
when it is completely the opposite.
[/quote]
To quote Croco:
[quote=CroCo]
If I were at Merlon's place I also would have felt offended, he
just did a great job reporting a great deal of bugs and instead
of thanking him, all you do is to bark at him.
How dramatic.[/quote]
He clearly used an offensive word here. It is obviously a
declaration of war from him. Seeing a friend being offended like
that and not saying anything? Not my motto at all.
[quote author=hamza_tm link=topic=1250.msg10568#msg10568
date=1346839270]
4. Ignoring Yggys insults against Merlon, not only that but
acting as if they were not insults, as if it was just a light
matter. I said above that insults weren't the problem, but if
you insult someone then it needs to be clear that that is the
case - if someone comes up and says "that isn't even an insult"
then it suddenly MAKES it a problem.
5. Belittling Merlons contribution and hard work, comparing it
to Yggys massive contribution (ie elitism, making him feel
unwanted and that he is wasting his time here)
6. After realising your misunderstanding (ie realising that
Merlon was innocent), not apologizing to him or speaking on his
behalf or joining his side, but rather ignoring all the
injustice and ending it as if everything is fair and square.
[/quote]
Agreed. I was also wrong here.
[quote author=hamza_tm link=topic=1250.msg10568#msg10568
date=1346839270]
If you are innocent of any of this feel free to point out how,
anyhow I think that stuff deserves a direct apology to Merlon,
not just apologizing for your actions in the incident, and then
posting that you were only about 10% of the problem. Truth be
told, IMO Yggy's actions were definitely bad, but not as bad as
what you did.
[/quote]
I will let you figure out yourself why I bold that part. No
offense but it seems really personal to me.
And one more thing, please don't put the 'bad guy' label on my
back automatically. A few minutes ago a member joined the chat
and immediately logged out when he saw me there. Kind of a
'follow the crowd' thing because I was argueing with people
here. It was very rude tbh. I am still friendly to others. There
is no need to be so impolite like that.
#Post#: 10572--------------------------------------------------
Re: Be friendly
By: hamza_tm Date: September 5, 2012, 6:55 am
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Sorry if I offended, I tried my best to only state the facts.
The bit that you left bold, I believe is a fact (psychologists
will tell you about direct insults vs other stuff) but it sounds
too much like opinion so I left it as "IMO" for your sake.
All you need to do is apologize (and you have, thank you),
everyone makes mistakes, and anyone with sense will know that
you regret your actions and will not judge you. If after your
sincere apology anyone thinks that you are a "bad guy" then IMO
they are too immature for you to even care about/think
about/notice them.
Do the right thing and damn the consequences! That's my motto :D
Of course, you gotta make sure it is the right thing you are
doing first..
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Re: Be friendly
By: Flecky Date: September 5, 2012, 7:09 am
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[quote author=Aeroblyctos link=topic=1250.msg10564#msg10564
date=1346826663]
If you're mad to someone you don't need to start blaming. You
can talk over.[/quote]
Whilst waiting for a new war.
[quote author=Aeroblyctos link=topic=1250.msg10564#msg10564
date=1346826663]Goes both ways. Stop being elitist and fanboy.
Let's all just be what we really are: members of the
forum.[/quote]
Thank you for believing in the act of convincing.
[quote author=hamza_tm link=topic=1250.msg10572#msg10572
date=1346846158]
Do the right thing and damn the consequences! That's my motto
:D[/quote]
Isn't that what everyone here has been doing? What's right for
someone is just the key that varies.
#Post#: 10582--------------------------------------------------
Re: Be friendly
By: Aeroblyctos Date: September 7, 2012, 3:15 am
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I'm satisfied with Doomlord and Yggdrasill!
But Flecky, what's wrong?
Just tell us.
#Post#: 10588--------------------------------------------------
Re: Be friendly
By: Blackdoom59 Date: September 7, 2012, 7:46 am
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Hey , by far this is the friendliest discussion I've ever saw in
my entire life.
We have to understand something people , it matters not what we
do , but if we wanted to do it.There are the so-called fanboys(I
wish you never had to come up with that name fleck) who basicly
troll in a way then either leave and come back arguing , or
argue right after the trolling.However you should not name a
member"fanboy" to someone who made a mistake , but to somewhone
who WANTED to troll.For example there are guys that let's say ,
start a quote pyramid on a masterthread.When he does that he
either thinks:
"Haha me and this guy have so much in common I love talking to
him!"
or
"Hehe I will spam this site untill it bleeds"
But some of the times , an "elite" sentences the first case.The
criminal dosen't have time to apologize when the elite starts
arguing with him , calling him names , school him and all that
kind of crap.So what do the guy thinks?Something like "fuck this
site and its mods , im out!".
Usually when the second case is spotted , the criminal walks
away , and comes back after an ammout of time (ppl forget him)
so he can troll again.
The same things goes with the members that have some time in
their back and helped the site.There are some who are like:
"GOD , I hope no one will troll today so it will be clean for
the rest of us"
but some are like
"I can't wait to school another fanboy"
Doomlord and flecky , you are certainly the second case.I recall
chatting with doomlord one day , and he was like "Duuude , I
soo schooled that fanboy man , I feel alive!"(exagerating ofc).I
do not want to insult anyone , as I am a friend with both of you
, but you have to stop thinking like that.We all like drama ,
we all like beeing a part of it , especially online where there
are no real flashbacks.Even aero said he liked drama on
forums(he will tell you the same thing , but here's a quote)
[quote author=Aeroblyctos link=topic=982.msg5721#msg5721
date=1321960867]
Actually I love drama in forums but this is a bit different
thing when I'm the leader(need to keep things controlled).
[/quote]
I don't know what happend with doomlord and those 2 guys but I
see he is sorry.So please guys do not overdo anything.
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