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#Post#: 10527--------------------------------------------------
Be friendly
By: Aeroblyctos Date: September 3, 2012, 3:01 pm
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Hey everyone!
I've seen some negative attitude last few weeks around the
website. I don't like this and I would like that from now on
everyone is friendly to each other.
I understand that we have those Masterthreads that are strict.
Some members of our community has given a great effort to them,
so please follow how to post there. The idea of those threads is
to keep the forums clean from hundreds of smaller threads and
make my job easier.
One word I would like to be forgotten and not used around the
website. The word "fanboy". I'm not the only one annoyed by
this, but many others as well. So please, do not use that word
anymore here.
This is a friendly discussion.
Have a nice day! [-)
#Post#: 10529--------------------------------------------------
Re: Be friendly
By: hamza_tm Date: September 3, 2012, 5:57 pm
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I completely agree with Aero, and personally I was about to
start a thread of my own for this very reason.
I don't normally bring up issues that have cooled down, but a
particular incident a few days ago has actually resulted in
driving a helpful member away from the forums (I spoke to him
via PM), and I don't want something like this to happen again. I
understand that this is probably going to create an argument and
more conflict temporarily, but bear with me, I am sure that from
posting this afterwards certain wrong habits will be brought to
light and the forum will be made a better place.
So damn straight I am going to bring this up right here so that
people can learn from past mistakes, and possibly have the
decency to feel ashamed/apologize.
A new member called Merlon who has posted many bugs and given
his time and effort to TCO was treated in a manner that is,
frankly, disgusting. A simple angry outburst is forgivable, you
could apologize and that's that. Not only did this forumer
insult Merlon again, but another esteemed member of the forum
joined in the insults, and started encouraging him as well.
And another new member Croco who spoke out against the injustice
was also verbally attacked without right. I don't want to name
and shame but the people responsible know who they are and I
personally think they should sort themselves out.
The worst part is that there were no apologies made. Rather
Merlin and Croco simply stopped replying and that was how the
argument didn't continue.
I spoke to one of those who are responsible for this bad
behaviour, and I believe he understands that what he did was
wrong (I hope so) but I believe there are apologies to be made
in public to set things right.
If anyone thinks I am speaking unjustly, I invite them to please
read over what was said in that incident from a neutral
perspective. I would quote the kind of phrases used here, but
there is little need.
Can I just make another thing very clear no one is under any
kind of compulsion to contribute to these forums. If someone
joins just to congratulate Aero and then leaves then that is
their right. If someone joins to point out a bug and leaves then
that is their right (and tbh they should be thanked for
bothering). People can do as they wish as long as they don't
break the rules. Calling people who don't stay for longer than
one post "fanboys" is just being elitist. It isn't a good thing.
If you disagree I have no problem with that, but feel free to
point out your reasoning.
#Post#: 10530--------------------------------------------------
Re: Be friendly
By: Shinokyofu Date: September 3, 2012, 8:57 pm
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You guys say that want to avoid drama, but you aren't being
dramatic yourselves? It doesn't matter who we are talking about,
new members, old members, active members, whatever, the problem
with all of you is take everything with a level of seriousness
beyond normal.
It's a forum! Follow the rules! Besides that you don't have to
pleasure anyone else. If someone call you a fanboy...sorry for
you, but people already called me things way worse than this(not
in this forum). If you feel this hurt just because of this, it's
just ridiculous...who the heck cares for what someone from the
other side of the world is thinking about you?
I don't completly disagree with you hamza, you're right most of
the time, yet i must say something: A forum is someplace that
you log in to post something and then vanish? Why not? It's
something you decide, you're absolutely right! But why should i
feel thanked for it? I don't bother doing things i don't really
want(or need) to do, no one here is doing anything they don't
want to(if someone is, sorry, but for what reason?). Yet, hurt
someone's feellings aren't something that should be praised,
that's for sure(but again, i can't see reason to get hurt).
Aero is right about the negative attitude...and this is it. So
what? Like hamza said, you can do whatever you want here if it's
according to the rules. Even if you hurt someone, if its
circumtances match with the rules then no problem here. It's a
fact, we can't control what they do, but they can't control us
too. No one is at disadvantage here.
Aaah...just to complete the post, to be frank, you guys are
acting like kids, everyone one of you guys, me too by the
way(oh, really?). If there's something that i really agree with
you is that we should stop this, yet, the way you act looks like
siding(even if its don't), to make a side win and make the other
one lose. This is not "peace", this is just a excuse.
Oh yeah, i'm being dramatic, i'm kind of contradicting myself.
Just to make it short:
Stop with this things about dramatization of the fanboys
situation(i don't plan to give up the word either, it's just a
word, sorry, Aero, but if you really want it to disappear then
put it as a proihibited word in the forum rules). If you guys
really want something to change, it's the only way. A war gives
nothing but regret.
If you didn't understand me in some situation, you wants a
explanation, it'll be my pleasure to answer, yet it'll be just
more drama. Ask at you own risk.
PS: Hamza, the last thing i want is to you or someone else to
see this a fight/war declaration. I'm just giving my opinion
that no one asked(i can do everything, can't I :D?).
#Post#: 10531--------------------------------------------------
Re: Be friendly
By: doomlord Date: September 3, 2012, 11:47 pm
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[quote author=hamza_tm link=topic=1250.msg10529#msg10529
date=1346713054]
A new member called Merlon who has posted many bugs and given
his time and effort to TCO was treated in a manner that is,
frankly, disgusting. A simple angry outburst is forgivable, you
could apologize and that's that. Not only did this forumer
insult Merlon again, but another esteemed member of the forum
joined in the insults, and started encouraging him as well.
And another new member Croco who spoke out against the injustice
was also verbally attacked without right. I don't want to name
and shame but the people responsible know who they are and I
personally think they should sort themselves out.
The worst part is that there were no apologies made. Rather
Merlin and Croco simply stopped replying and that was how the
argument didn't continue.
I spoke to one of those who are responsible for this bad
behaviour, and I believe he understands that what he did was
wrong (I hope so) but I believe there are apologies to be made
in public to set things right.
[/quote]
Okay I deleted my earlier comment after reading hamza's post
because it seems this 'fanboy' issue has gone quite far and
mundane reasoning isn't going to work. Now this quoted passage
here has some faults with the 'facts'. First I didn't encourage
Yggy to insult him nor join in the insult. I merely expressed my
own opinion concerning the matter. The manner that was used is
neither disgusting nor immature. You concluded that yourself.
About CroCo he was the one who used the word 'bark' in his post.
A very insulting that was the last straw for me. He wanted to
turn the drama into a war and I am more than happy to escalate
it for him. Then again I am under no obligation to respect,
tolerate or remain neutral towards members like him, especially
once you consider the fact that bug-reporters are easily
replaced. Yes I may have attacked him verbally but he started it
first. Once a war began there are only allies and enemies. They
attack us and we retaliate. Yggy is my ally and CroCo is the
enemy. Enemies must be annihilated, simple logic. And again for
emphasis in this war we didn't involve Merlon, mind you. That
being said, I am not going to execute any form of public apology
because:
[list type=decimal]
[li]I didn't insult Merlon in the first place, in other words, I
didn't do anything wrong.[/li]
[li]CroCo insulted Yggy first, and I joined in because Yggy is
my ally and I don't like seeing others hurt my ally.[/li]
[/list]
[quote author=hamza_tm link=topic=1250.msg10529#msg10529
date=1346713054]
Can I just make another thing very clear no one is under any
kind of compulsion to contribute to these forums. If someone
joins just to congratulate Aero and then leaves then that is
their right. If someone joins to point out a bug and leaves then
that is their right (and tbh they should be thanked for
bothering). People can do as they wish as long as they don't
break the rules. Calling people who don't stay for longer than
one post "fanboys" is just being elitist. It isn't a good thing.
[/quote]
Then we, in return, are under no kind of compulsion to respect
the fanboys. They hate us and that is their problem, not ours,
because we don't like them either. They want war then bring it
on, we are not afraid. If they want peace, we shall make peace
with them. It is completely their own choice to make. And, I am
going to be damn straight again, 1-post-bug-reporters are easily
replacable and I don't care if they leave or not because sooner
or later someone else will show up. I am not gonna be thankful
unless they have than 10 posts dedicated to bug-reporting. You
and Aero can join forces together, but I still have others to
back me up.
Peace.
Doomlord
#Post#: 10532--------------------------------------------------
Re: Be friendly
By: hamza_tm Date: September 4, 2012, 12:35 am
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Lol shin you make me smile!
I agree generally with the stuff you said apart from one
important point: A forum is NOT a place where you can log in and
do whatever you want just because no one knows who you really
are so no one should care. A lot of stuff is OK, but it is not
acceptable to insult someone. Aero doesn't want people driven
away from this forum because they get insulted or see others get
insulted (at least I'm banking everything I say on that fact
anyway lol). Who would want to continue spending their time on a
forum where they are insulted by the elite members? I know I
wouldn't. Stuff like that will stop new people from joining and
will cause contributing members to leave permanently. My proof?
Merlon told me he has no intention of posting anything here
again. We have lost a member that may have developed to be a
great benefit to TCO. Should we care? I think anyone who wants
the best for this forum and TCO should care.
Commitments start somewhere. People will start with one post,
maybe it's even against the rules. But if they meet courteous
and helpful and forgiving people they will be encouraged to
contribute more, until they develop a bond with other members
and that's what will lead to people writing guides and making
the forum great. Don't we want that? Not everyone joins a forum
with full intention to post every day etc, most of the time
someone joins to point out a single thing, then slowly slowly
builds up to an active member.
So do what aero says and stop with calling new members fanboys,
as well as acting elitist. I'm gonna say it now, it LOOKS like
people on this forum use the word for any new member that does
anything that irritates them whether good or bad.
Not happy with his post? Huh, he's a typical fanboy...
(Like I get if someone comes up and says something like "YOU ALL
SUCK GET LOST, AERO IS A GENIUS MARRY ME PLEEEEEEASE" then you
call him a fanboy, but if someone only posts to tell bugs then I
really don't understand how that's being a fanboy...)
Anyhow, Doom I'll post up the whole conversation here in just a
bit so we can see clearly what happened. I don't want to insult
you or anyone else, I just feel that this kind of incident
should be learnt from and avoided in the future.
The incident:
[quote author=Yggdrasill link=topic=1224.msg10331#msg10331
date=1345872444]
[quote]- Can't finish optional quest "Holgro" (only find 1part
at shop). Can't finish "Maximilian" (only find damned mask
forthe damned set) Maybe i miss something.[/quote]
Because that's YOUR damn problem. It has nothing to do with
bugs.
And can you bother to learn to edit posts?
[/quote]
[quote author=Merlon link=topic=1224.msg10333#msg10333
date=1345886244]
[quote author=Yggdrasill link=topic=1224.msg10331#msg10331
date=1345872444]
Because that's YOUR damn problem. It has nothing to do with
bugs.[/quote]
When i read the "Holgro" quest, i undestand i must find the last
part of the empty dig spot i have found.
For the damned set, i say i have maybe miss something.
All the boss, all steal and dig done. I just ask for verify the
item can be found.
Maybe i am blind and don't see the item. Or maybe is as the
medicine quest the item doesn't exist anymore.
But, yes all i have report is not bug and it's my fault. I will
stop to report.
[quote author=Yggdrasill link=topic=1224.msg10331#msg10331
date=1345872444]
And can you bother to learn to edit posts?[/quote]
Done
[/quote]
[quote author=Doomlord link=topic=1224.msg10334#msg10334
date=1345887542]
[quote author=Merlon link=topic=1224.msg10333#msg10333
date=1345886244]
But, yes all i have report is not bug and it's my fault. I will
stop to report.
[/quote]
Dude no need to flip out like that. Just calm down. You have
been doing a great job reporting detailed bugs of each chapter
and I myself appreciate that. Yggy is a bit angry because the
'bugs' he quoted aren't bugs. It is just that you didn't check
carefully before posting them.
However there is still an advice that I need to give you. If
possible, try using better English in your posts. Good English
doesn't only make your posts easier to read, it also makes them
more appealing and helpful.
[/quote]
[quote author=Yggdrasill link=topic=1224.msg10335#msg10335
date=1345890729]
[quote author=Merlon link=topic=1224.msg10333#msg10333
date=1345886244]
But, yes all i have report is not bug and it's my fault. I will
stop to report.
[/quote]
Sigh... A stereotypical fanboy... Only knows how to report bugs,
and starts to throw tantrums all over the place when being
criticised...
You completely misunderstood the post. I only quoted that one
'bug'; which obviously meant that I was only referring to that
'bug', and none of the other ones. Yet, you felt butthurt (since
that post was meant to be criticism), and removed all the other
bugs that you posted, without realising that they are true bugs.
How dramatic.
[/quote]
[quote author=CroCo link=topic=1224.msg10338#msg10338
date=1345909679]
Yggdrasill maybe is it time to rethink the way you behave ?!
You are way too agressive when you speak to the community
members especially when they are trying to contribute and help
the campaign development.
If I were at Merlon's place I also would have felt offended, he
just did a great job reporting a great deal of bugs and instead
of thanking him, all you do is to bark at him.
How dramatic.
[/quote]
[quote author=Doomlord link=topic=1224.msg10339#msg10339
date=1345912501]
[quote author=CroCo link=topic=1224.msg10338#msg10338
date=1345909679]
Yggdrasill maybe is it time to rethink the way you behave ?!
You are way too agressive when you speak to the community
members especially when they are trying to contribute and help
the campaign development.
If I were at Merlon's place I also would have felt offended, he
just did a great job reporting a great deal of bugs and instead
of thanking him, all you do is to bark at him.
How dramatic.
[/quote]
At first this is just between Merlon and Yggdrasill but after
reading this post I have to interfere.
I had dealt with a guy just like you before. One who attempted
to interfere and talked like you are the one who was
offended/felt butthurt in the first place. I don't know if you
have had any clashed with Yggy in the past but it seems like you
are trying to exact revenge on him through this for your
personal gain. I will analyze the situation here for you because
you are completely wrong. At first Yggy quoted some NON-BUGS
from Merlon's post then said (rather rudely) that they were his
problems and he should learn how to combine all the bug reports
into a single post instead of stretching them out. He only
talked a bit rude but his post wasn't flaming or insulting yet
the guy Merlon threw a tantrum and started sulking like a girl,
even going as far as deleting all his bug reports. He did it
deliberately and Yggy's post wasn't completely responsible. Then
Yggy pointed out how the guy misunderstood him and that deleting
the bug reports was actions carried out by his own will.
Now you came here and posted that Yggy is offensive and stuffs.
You even said that Yggy 'barked' to Merlon in a post that is
(supposed to be) from someone who is trying to show empathy and
understanding. This is really a cliche, insulting the 'bad' guy
and supporting the 'good' guy. Have you done anything to
contribute to the campaign's development yourself except for
reporting bugs? The bugs can be reported by anyone who play the
campaign and pay a little attention. Unline you and Merlon, Yggy
here works hard to help the campaign in multiple ways, exceeding
your combined contribution many times. And don't bother
flaming/insulting me for this post, since I will be ignoring the
posts that are directly aimed at me but I will be more than
happy to have a nice and civilized conversation with you
instead.
Peace. And yes I don't use 'How dramatic' because borrowing the
insulted target's phrase isn't such a glorious thing to do in
the first place after all.
[/quote]
[quote author=Yggdrasill link=topic=1224.msg10348#msg10348
date=1345986705]
[quote]You are way too agressive when you speak to the community
members especially when they are trying to contribute and help
the campaign development.[/quote]
Aggressive, eh? I only criticised Merlon of posting not-bugs at
the bug thread. And if you ask me, that post was offensive
towards ME too; Merlon didn't look at the item list at all, and
just assumed that the item is not obtainable. If it was truly
unobtainable, he/she/xe/it/they should have at least put more
details.
[quote]If I were at Merlon's place I also would have felt
offended, he just did a great job reporting a great deal of bugs
and instead of thanking him, all you do is to bark at
him.[/quote]
Anyone who is remotely attentive can report these bugs. If
Merlon didn't post these bugs, then someone else would
eventually do so.
[/quote]
[quote author=Doomlord link=topic=1224.msg10350#msg10350
date=1346032560]
[quote author=Shinokyofu link=topic=1224.msg10344#msg10344
date=1345946354]
Still...i wonder why people like to make a fuss in forums, chats
and stuff, if it's not the funny type then it's no good. I mean,
why get offended by something like words from some guy that you'
ve never met before? Just give up, shut up and go do something
more useful :P.
[/quote]
If only those fanboys can understand such wise words.
[quote author=lamdaika link=topic=1224.msg10349#msg10349
date=1345990715]
Either way, this is a bug masterthread anyway. So why don't we
just leave this in the peaceful way and turn the "Bug
masterthread" back into its original function.
[/quote]
Simply put, they want war/drama/whatever so we bring it to them.
That is all. Why bother denying them such joy?
[/quote]
[quote author=Merlon link=topic=1224.msg10374#msg10374
date=1346149123]
[quote author=Doomlord link=topic=1224.msg10339#msg10339
date=1345912501] that they were his problems and he should learn
how to combine all the bug reports into a single post instead of
stretching them out. He only talked a bit rude but his post
wasn't flaming or insulting yet the guy Merlon threw a tantrum
and started sulking like a girl, even going as far as deleting
all his bug reports. [/quote]
I put all the thing i have report on 1 post. My first post on
the thread.
Or i miss undestand?
[/quote]
[quote author=Doomlord link=topic=1224.msg10375#msg10375
date=1346151221]
[quote author=Merlon link=topic=1224.msg10374#msg10374
date=1346149123]
I put all the thing i have report on 1 post. My first post on
the thread.
Or i miss undestand?
[/quote]
Oops, I didn't see that. Well that is very nice of you to do so.
Anyway about this whole arguement I think we should end it here.
Let bygone be bygone okay?
[/quote]
#Post#: 10533--------------------------------------------------
Re: Be friendly
By: doomlord Date: September 4, 2012, 12:49 am
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[quote author=hamza_tm link=topic=1250.msg10532#msg10532
date=1346736932]
Commitments start somewhere. People will start with one post,
maybe it's even against the rules. But if they meet courteous
and helpful and forgiving people they will be encouraged to
contribute more, until they develop a bond with other members
and that's what will lead to people writing guides and making
the forum great. Don't we want that? Not everyone joins a forum
with full intention to post every day etc, most of the time
someone joins to point out a single thing, then slowly slowly
builds up to an active member.
So do what aero says and stop with calling new members fanboys,
as well as acting elitist. I'm gonna say it now, it LOOKS like
people on this forum use the word for any new member that does
anything that irritates them whether good or bad.
Not happy with his post? Huh, he's a typical fanboy...
[/quote]
I object to your point hamza. Unless you can find a good
example, I am not going to buy it. Sorry pal but to prove
something to me you will need proofs.
#Post#: 10534--------------------------------------------------
Re: Be friendly
By: hamza_tm Date: September 4, 2012, 12:52 am
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[quote author=Doomlord link=topic=1250.msg10533#msg10533
date=1346737773]
[quote author=hamza_tm link=topic=1250.msg10532#msg10532
date=1346736932]
Commitments start somewhere. People will start with one post,
maybe it's even against the rules. But if they meet courteous
and helpful and forgiving people they will be encouraged to
contribute more, until they develop a bond with other members
and that's what will lead to people writing guides and making
the forum great. Don't we want that? Not everyone joins a forum
with full intention to post every day etc, most of the time
someone joins to point out a single thing, then slowly slowly
builds up to an active member.
So do what aero says and stop with calling new members fanboys,
as well as acting elitist. I'm gonna say it now, it LOOKS like
people on this forum use the word for any new member that does
anything that irritates them whether good or bad.
Not happy with his post? Huh, he's a typical fanboy...
[/quote]
I object to your point hamza. Unless you can find a good
example, I am not going to buy it. Sorry pal but to prove
something to me you will need proofs.
[/quote]
Heheh I certainly would but in this forum I think you may have
scared off all the potential candidates by calling them
fanboys...
Sorry I'm just joking :)
But seriously, how will you ever know if you don't give them a
chance?
ANYWAY, regarding the incident, would you like me to point out
where you insulted him doom or do you accept you did something
wrong? Nothing personal I just want to make it clear again
#Post#: 10535--------------------------------------------------
Re: Be friendly
By: doomlord Date: September 4, 2012, 1:02 am
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[quote author=hamza_tm link=topic=1250.msg10534#msg10534
date=1346737977]
Heheh I certainly would but in this forum I think you may have
scared off all the potential candidates by calling them
fanboys...
Sorry I'm just joking :)
But seriously, how will you ever know if you don't give them a
chance?
[/quote]
I had always wanted to see the forum expanded and the community
grew bigger than ever once. Unlike you I indeed have seen many
'candidates'. At first I was really happy, gave them a warm
welcome and stuffs. But then after a while they were gone and I
started to lose trust, with my old dream fragmenting each time.
In every 10 new members, there is only a 50% chance to encounter
one who will stay and be active. The rest just came and left,
like shadows. I understood that it is their own freedom and I
have no right to interfere. As I said previously it is
completely their own choice. I respect those who stay and
contribute like you or Shino and despise those fanboys. But then
again what good have they brought apart from bug-reporting? It
is not such a big issue to dramatize after all.
#Post#: 10537--------------------------------------------------
Re: Be friendly
By: hamza_tm Date: September 4, 2012, 1:15 am
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I'm sorry what you had to go through losing all those potential
good members after your efforts.
BTW I edited my post above, if you would like to read the last
bit.
#Post#: 10538--------------------------------------------------
Re: Be friendly
By: doomlord Date: September 4, 2012, 1:18 am
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[quote author=hamza_tm link=topic=1250.msg10534#msg10534
date=1346737977]
ANYWAY, regarding the incident, would you like me to point out
where you insulted him doom or do you accept you did something
wrong? Nothing personal I just want to make it clear again
[/quote]
Well enlighten me then.
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