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       #Post#: 56--------------------------------------------------
       Water and Night fighters
       By: scarletto Date: June 5, 2020, 2:20 am
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       Been reading as you do, and really i would only have a Night
       Fighter encounter in a water next to axis land, nowhere else at
       sea, this obviously would make more moves risk free, but gives a
       bigger increase in a uneventful mission.
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       Re: Water and Night fighters
       By: Flying Dutchman Date: June 5, 2020, 4:47 am
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       Yes agree.
       My idea is to use the map to track your position, and only if
       you are in Himmelbett range run a risk of NF (and flak).
       To change the rules like you said, to land adjacent zones only,
       could be a quick fix.
       In fact, at places a lot of bombers went down in the drink by
       guided intercepts, an example the Frisian islands north part
       holland, with Himmelbett code animal names:
       [attachimg=1]
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       Re: Water and Night fighters
       By: scarletto Date: June 5, 2020, 5:33 am
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       Its really grated on me the water and NF, in one game i got shot
       down just off the coast of England, and their were still another
       5 water zones to go the target of Kiel, i just cannot see the
       Germans waiting just off the coast of england for targets
       #Post#: 63--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Water and Night fighters
       By: Airborne Date: June 5, 2020, 9:08 am
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       The new Kammhuber chart makes is much more difficult to get
       spotted by a random NF, so I haven't changed this--yet.  I look
       at this as a chance encounter if it comes up.  I may change to
       "only if adjacent to land".  I really like the idea of these
       maps, though.  Would make it awesome to see the NF zones
       visually.
       #Post#: 68--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Water and Night fighters
       By: Glenn Saunders Date: June 5, 2020, 11:33 am
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       Especially when you drop window while over water....chances are
       quite drastically reduced.
       Still you have to figure there would be some NFs chasing bombers
       inbound to home more so than outbound when they would be getting
       their Defense plan in order
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       Re: Water and Night fighters
       By: Flying Dutchman Date: June 6, 2020, 2:37 am
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       [quote author=Airborne link=topic=19.msg63#msg63
       date=1591366129]
       Would make it awesome to see the NF zones visually.
       [/quote]
       Will try with the map.
       Not all that hard to do I think.
       The problem is fluidity of the defenses.
       So map will be restricted in its validity by time/phase, but I
       think will be a much better indicator then what we have now.
       #Post#: 94--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Water and Night fighters
       By: Flying Dutchman Date: June 6, 2020, 2:41 am
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       [quote author=Glenn Saunders link=topic=19.msg68#msg68
       date=1591374838]
       Especially when you drop window while over water....chances are
       quite drastically reduced.
       Still you have to figure there would be some NFs chasing bombers
       inbound to home more so than outbound when they would be getting
       their Defense plan in order
       [/quote]
       Exeptions aside (really rare) by Führers decree the NF were
       forbidden to perform intruder missions.
       So historically NF attacks virtually cease at the north sea
       crossing/leaving last Himmelbett radius over water.
       Low NF fuel by then was also a factor.
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       Re: Water and Night fighters
       By: scarletto Date: June 6, 2020, 3:23 am
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       It was very rare for a NF to follow outside of its sea zone,
       they too were worried about ending up in the drink. The only
       reason i can see that it was not addressed in the game, was to
       make it Gamey, things like this do need addressing. Certainly id
       also say a lot of Gazetter targets are just in their to fill
       spaces and make it worth printing the booklet.
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