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       Cloudy tank 
       By: hattyhattet91 Date: February 6, 2015, 1:22 am
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       How to diagnose the problem? Im trying to keep 4 koi in 75
       gallon with two dual 60_90gal carbon filters. I have my 4 koi, 2
       crawdads and 1 albino algae sucker fish quarantine in my 20
       gallon tank with 3 air stones both dual filters and a hard
       plant. Till I fix the water problem. I used the cloudy water for
       the 20 gallon and I think its clearing up hard to tell now.
       There's 40% left in the 75gallon. How should I go about this?
       Asap I'm going to all filtration wet dry sump protein skimmer
       with plants. What are some hardy plants to help my fish. I'm
       going to buy clams too. Sorry if this is a lot but I really want
       to keep my koi friends. Should I start over take out the sand
       and work on keeping healthy and clear while slowing adding.
       Thanks in advance for your wisdom🙏
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       Re: Cloudy tank 
       By: hattyhattet91 Date: February 6, 2015, 1:41 am
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       I understand I must establish the cycle with some good bacteria.
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       Re: Cloudy tank 
       By: PaulMartin61 Date: February 7, 2015, 9:17 pm
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       How large are your koi?
       Just how new is your tank?  Has it had a chance to cycle?
       4 Koi in a tank that size is going to be a struggle to keep your
       water quality high.  The addition of a sump will help you keep
       the water quality easier to maintain.  However, the addition of
       a protein skimmer will do little to nothing for your efforts.
       Check out this video from the King of DIY about skimmers:
  HTML http://youtu.be/223-24zhjoc?t=7s
  HTML http://youtu.be/223-24zhjoc?t=7s
       Water quality is number one importance.  Plastic plants may be
       your best bet as koi will eat just about any live plant in your
       aquarium.
       Best of luck.
       Paul
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       Re: Cloudy tank 
       By: hattyhattet91 Date: February 8, 2015, 10:03 am
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       OK thanks I think im in my second cycle if I understand the
       term. The biggest is only about 2.5 in without the tail. I had
       to do a 100% water change still using one carbon filter for the
       second cycle, they are doing better in my opinion. Had to take
       drastic measures I think there where starting to get swim
       Blatter disease. It all happens cause I lazy and didn't change
       the filters till I woke up and tank was covered in algae. Hope I
       don't do it again.
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       Re: Cloudy tank 
       By: hattyhattet91 Date: February 8, 2015, 10:04 am
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       I'll send a pic of my new set up when I get home.
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       Re: Cloudy tank 
       By: hattyhattet91 Date: February 8, 2015, 1:10 pm
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       Thanks Paul... King of diy has a lot of videos on skimmers an
       the link didn't work I'll watch them but will you send me a link
       again of tell me which one in particular.
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       Re: Cloudy tank 
       By: hattyhattet91 Date: February 8, 2015, 1:16 pm
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       Its a old tank but it is new water but I probably should have
       let it set up longer but I feared more for there life where they
       where so I put them into the 75gal with new water. There's no
       chlorine in are water tho we have well not tap. I put recommend
       supplements in to a few hours before I added my koi.
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       Re: Cloudy tank 
       By: hattyhattet91 Date: February 8, 2015, 3:44 pm
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       I'm going to start setup in wet dry filter in 20gal.
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       Re: Cloudy tank 
       By: hattyhattet91 Date: February 8, 2015, 3:45 pm
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       Re: Cloudy tank 
       By: PaulMartin61 Date: February 9, 2015, 6:25 pm
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       I'm sorry the link didn't work for you.  I'll post the video
       below.  The main reason for the video was to show you that a
       protein skimmer on a freshwater tank just won't work.
  HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=223-24zhjoc
  HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=223-24zhjoc
       In addition, I think you might be confused (or I am not
       understanding your comment) about cycling your tank.  There
       isn't a 'second' cycle, it's one (sometimes long) process.
       Check out John's simply process for cycling your new tank.
  HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_6lnp0-M2o
  HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_6lnp0-M2o
       
       Once you get your sump setup, and some good biological bacteria
       growing, your koi will do much better.
       Keep us informed how things progress. (Pictures are always good)
       Paul
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