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       Bare bottom tanks .... the anti aquascape tank
       By: Stu4648 Date: October 2, 2014, 2:26 am
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       Personally, I cannot stand bare bottom tanks. Generally the
       preserve of monster fish keepers but I guess some people may
       like the bare look for small fish too. The total lack of
       enrichment for the inhabitants must be tedious. Kind of like
       animal cages from the early days of zoo keeping. I can just
       about remember them from my childhood, full of big cats and
       bears pacing up and down bored out of their mind. It must be the
       same for fish swimming around an empty space with no point of
       reference other than a filter outlet or a powerhead. The only
       stimulation in their life being when the lights get switched on
       or off or that brief moment when food magically appears from
       above. In fairness, for most fish feeding time is probably the
       highlight of their day but at least for most there is something
       to swim in and around beforehand and afterwards. It may not
       change much from day to day but it provides them with cover and
       gives them some sort of stimulation and interaction.
       I can appreciate that monster fish make monster poops and that
       keeping the tank bare makes it much easier to clean and control
       the water parameters. But is that really enough to justify
       robbing your fish of any source of enrichment. If waiting for
       the light to come on or waiting for a food pellet to appear is
       all they have to look forward to they would probably rather have
       the occasional battle with rising nitrates and have a bit of
       decor to interact with. I imagine in bare bottom tanks the fish
       must behave differently too, do they show any natural behaviour
       at all?
       They are hardly the most pleasant things to look at either, more
       likely to be kept in a basement than in your living room. The
       fish generally are the star of the tank and rightly so but it
       makes for a far better viewing experience to see them in
       something that resembles a natural environment. Just look at any
       of the photos of the great setups on this forum as perfect
       examples of how the decor sets up the tank to showcase the fish.
       It also enhances the colour of the fish rather than having them
       washed out against a non existent backdrop.
       As you can tell i'm not a fan of bare bottom tanks. Seeing
       single Clown Loaches in bare bottom tanks hits a particular
       nerve, why would you do that? There are always going to be those
       that will defend them but to me there is no justification for
       putting fish in a bare bottom tank unless it is a hospital tank
       or a fry tank or some other short term solution prior to the
       fish returning to a proper tank.
       Rant over. Found this article a while back, highlights some of
       the research that has gone into the importance of stimulation to
       fish development.
  HTML http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20140916-how-do-you-entertain-a-fish
       #Post#: 1020--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Bare bottom tanks .... the anti aquascape tank
       By: scott whitney Date: October 2, 2014, 8:58 am
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       I agree.  Zoos have known for years that animals kept in natural
       habitats (vs cages) have better temperaments and live longer.
       Today, zoos go to great lengths and expense to create
       stimulating environments.  I assume fish are no different.
       As stewards of our gifts, it's our moral duty to do the best we
       can for our pets.
       Besides...... I've always had a rule:  If the tank doesn't look
       good without fish in it, it's not ready yet.
       #Post#: 1028--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Bare bottom tanks .... the anti aquascape tank
       By: Stu4648 Date: October 2, 2014, 11:25 am
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       That is a very good rule, one I am sure that the fish appreciate
       too.
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       Re: Bare bottom tanks .... the anti aquascape tank
       By: tim1126az Date: October 2, 2014, 10:04 pm
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       That's a GREAT rule Scott.. 8)
       When I was researching Discus before we set up our tank, there
       was A TON bare bottom tanks...Just seemed clinical, sterile, the
       fish were gorgeous but take them away and it's just a glass
       bucket...
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       Re: Bare bottom tanks .... the anti aquascape tank
       By: probn Date: October 3, 2014, 9:47 am
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       I don't use substrate unless I get a fish who love to play with
       it
       But I add plenty of hiding places so that they can feel safe
       Its fun to watch :D
       I agree with this article even if I don't use substrate other
       than planted tank  ;D
       #Post#: 1088--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Bare bottom tanks .... the anti aquascape tank
       By: Jennifer Date: October 4, 2014, 2:25 am
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       I use bare bottom tanks for breeding activities, but even then
       most of the bare bottom tanks have something in them.  Caves or
       driftwood or potted plants or something.  But I like planted
       tanks, low tech planted tanks because they're really pretty easy
       to keep.  And when you go that route, you don't get a lot of
       detritus buildup.   ;D
       #Post#: 1091--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Bare bottom tanks .... the anti aquascape tank
       By: Stu4648 Date: October 4, 2014, 7:26 am
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       My tanks are all of the planted low tech nature, they get
       planted directly into the gravel or sand at the very start and
       other than a weekly dose of liquid plant fertiliser are left to
       get on with it.
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       Re: Bare bottom tanks .... the anti aquascape tank
       By: Jennifer Date: October 4, 2014, 11:22 am
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       lol, I start mine with a lil liquid fert and root tabs.  I don't
       grow anything really fancy though.  Most of it would probably do
       ok without anything added.
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       Re: Bare bottom tanks .... the anti aquascape tank
       By: probn Date: October 5, 2014, 1:13 am
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       I use dirt in my planted tank and plants are doing really well
       even without any fertiliser ;)
       #Post#: 1126--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Bare bottom tanks .... the anti aquascape tank
       By: simon Date: October 5, 2014, 1:45 am
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       I have a 350 ltr Mbuna tank and have always tried to give them
       as much rock work as possible. This has two effects on my fish.
       Firstly I don't see them as much as i used to when i had them in
       my smaller tank with a couple of pieces of rock and  secondly,
       as someone walks into the room, they disappear!
       Now many would argue, 'what's the point of having a fish tank
       where you don't see the fish?' It's simple, as stated in Scots
       rule, the tank should look good without fish. I'm trying to
       create an environment I would like to live in if i were a fish
       and my Mbunas seem happy. Yes i get it it's a 52 inch glass box
       but most of the fish these days come from 30 or so inch glass
       boxes and when they get to my tank i want them to think 'HELL
       YEAH, I LIKE WHAT YOU'VE DONE WITH THE PLACE!'
       For me personally it's about the fish, not me. I get to see them
       interact (as much as is possible in a glass box) as they would
       in the wild. I have seen many videos, (Marc at the African
       Cichlid hub has released some from his trip to lake Malawi and
       are well worth a watch) and they like to dart around in and out
       of the rocks as everyone knows. I don't have an overstocked
       tank, i even have 2 male P. Demasoni that totally ignore each
       other and if you read as much as i have, it's a no no to try
       that. The aggression in my tank is relatively nil. Certainly no
       hyper dominance and i put that down to the amount of hiding
       spaces they have.
       This is my rule.
       The environment for the fish looking out of the glass is far
       more important than the pleasure of the monkeys looking in. ;D
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