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#Post#: 657--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hardwiring Routers, Limited Background Apps, Etc. Does it
work?
DIR By: mygamertagsucks
Date: February 6, 2020, 12:06 pm
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Port forwarding is not necessarily restricted to improving
comms, although for games like Call of Duty, you sometimes have
to port forward in order to get an open NAT before you can send
party requests or join other players parties. Call of Duty is
NOTORIOUS for being prickly about NAT types, but contrary to
popular belief, you can still join and invite others if one of
you has a moderate NAT. I can say this from experience because
my nephew, when he's living with his parents, always parties up
with me to play CoD on PS4, while his dad (a truly horrible,
useless, leech of a human being that puts himself and his needs
above his own son's, which is why he lived with me up until he
was 15) plays the exact same Call of Duty on XBoxONE, causing my
nephew's NAT to be Moderate.
I'm going to post this, and then reread Jame's response to you;
have you tried enabling UPnP? Back on the old forums, I
mistakenly told someone that it would not be possible to have 2
of the same consoles, playing the same online game at the same
time, due to my misunderstanding of what ports actually do, in
general. Long story short, enabling UPnP (which is most likely
the default setting on your router from the factory) should help
out, a lot.
The one thing port forwarding won't do, however, is have any
impact on lag or latency. Edit- as soon as I typed that, I found
one source claiming that UPnP is a major cause of lag. That
being said, I've only found one source stating this. Even though
I have my ports forwarded, I still have UPnP enabled on my
router simply because it plays well enough without having to
dick with it.
#Post#: 696--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hardwiring Routers, Limited Background Apps, Etc. Does it
work?
DIR By: guest7
Date: February 6, 2020, 7:31 pm
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--- Quote from: mygamertagsucks link ---
>
> [quote author=James21-Grimm link=topic=90.msg607#msg607
date=1580959953]
> [quote author=mygamertagsucks link=topic=90.msg594#msg594
date=1580942193]
> I have had mixed results. For some reason, and I'm guessing it
is the PS4 internal networking card, I can not achieve above
60.6mbps down, and 9.1 up when hardwired.
> On wifi, I get 85mbps down, but only 4.1 up. Helluva trade
off.
>
--- End Quote ---
I have achieved 400+ and 20 on my PS4 with nothing else on my
network. On any given day though I probably get 100 and 10 maybe
a little less on the up. I have 500 down and 30 up for my ISP
package.
[/quote]
Your network speeds, from your PS4 web browser, actually showed
that high of bandwidth? I'm only asking because that's freaking
amazing. Even when I bypassed my router, to check a few things,
and hardwired directly into my modem, I was only able to get
around 80mbps down, and 11mbps up. That was back when my plan
with Comcast was 100/10. Now, they've added bandwidth to all of
their plans, free of charge, and Im paying for 200/12, but I
have never, EVER, come close to reaching those numbers with my
PS4. If I hardwire my laptop, and run a test, I always get about
225/15, but the router seems to cut my bandwidth for some
reason. Fun fact: because I am getting what I pay for when
connected directly to the modem, this is not a Comcast issue,
and they will offer no help in trying to remedy the situation.
I've replaced the Cat5e patch cable from the modem to the
router, with Cat6E, and even bought 50 feet of Cat6E Ethernet
cabling from BestBuy, and nothing helped. Common sense tells me
that something is going awry when the modem begins talking to
the router. I'm starting to wonder if I need to upgrade my modem
to a DOCSIS3.1 compliant model, instead of the DOCSIS 3.0 model
I currently have. I guess it's worth checking into.
[/quote]
Yes. It was when I upgraded my package. For that, since it was
fiber, I needed a new modem from them. Got everything setup and
gave them a call cause it wasn't working lol. Turns out it was
because my old modem I was using was one that I purchased, not
theirs (not sure what that had to do with anything). Anyhow, we
got that settled and the guy asked me to do a speed test. At the
time all I had connected was my PS4. I did a test thru the
network settings area and got around 250 down and like 15 up. He
told me to go to the web browser and do a speed test from their
website. I did and got 400's down and 20's up. Craziest thing is
going back to network settings and testing watching that
download speed soar over 300 lol. Too bad downloading updates
only goes from about 10mbps(old Internet package) to maybe
20-25mbps. I think that's more a Sony thing though. Copying
still sucks ass. I hope PS5 doesn't do that shit.
Also I didn't have my router setup yet either, just their
modem/router combo.
#Post#: 697--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hardwiring Routers, Limited Background Apps, Etc. Does it
work?
DIR By: guest7
Date: February 6, 2020, 7:50 pm
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--- Quote from: mygamertagsucks link ---
>
> Port forwarding is not necessarily restricted to improving
comms, although for games like Call of Duty, you sometimes have
to port forward in order to get an open NAT before you can send
party requests or join other players parties. Call of Duty is
NOTORIOUS for being prickly about NAT types, but contrary to
popular belief, you can still join and invite others if one of
you has a moderate NAT. I can say this from experience because
my nephew, when he's living with his parents, always parties up
with me to play CoD on PS4, while his dad (a truly horrible,
useless, leech of a human being that puts himself and his needs
above his own son's, which is why he lived with me up until he
was 15) plays the exact same Call of Duty on XBoxONE, causing my
nephew's NAT to be Moderate.
>
> I'm going to post this, and then reread Jame's response to
you; have you tried enabling UPnP? Back on the old forums, I
mistakenly told someone that it would not be possible to have 2
of the same consoles, playing the same online game at the same
time, due to my misunderstanding of what ports actually do, in
general. Long story short, enabling UPnP (which is most likely
the default setting on your router from the factory) should help
out, a lot.
>
> The one thing port forwarding won't do, however, is have any
impact on lag or latency. Edit- as soon as I typed that, I found
one source claiming that UPnP is a major cause of lag. That
being said, I've only found one source stating this. Even though
I have my ports forwarded, I still have UPnP enabled on my
router simply because it plays well enough without having to
dick with it.
>
--- End Quote ---
UPnP isn't always enabled by default on all routers. Also I
believe it would normally be off just a few years ago. It used
to be debated on how safe it is to have it enabled, but I think
the majority find that your at about the same risk having it on
vs off. It's better than putting your router in DMZ. From my
understanding, UPnP forwards ports as needed basically, where
DMZ just opens the flood gates. You'll get open NAT using
either, but DMZ without good firewalls and anti virus software
is just inviting hackers into your home. Another thing to note
about the risks of UPnP, is if you already have malware on
another device on your network, it can spread to other devices
on the same network. I've never heard of enabling it causes more
lag. Don't even understand why it would.🤔
I just do it the old fashioned way and manually forward. To me
it sounds like Stabbotage does not have UPnP enabled. I'll leave
it up to him for what he wants to do.
Disclaimer: UPnP and DMZ are my personal thoughts based off my
own research. I know people who do DMZ and that's fine. From
what I gather UPnP is much safer than once thought. Both methods
are a debatable topic among tech geeks lol. Do your research and
go with what you want. I'm no expert. (you/your, as in nobody in
particular)
#Post#: 702--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hardwiring Routers, Limited Background Apps, Etc. Does it
work?
DIR By: mygamertagsucks
Date: February 7, 2020, 12:16 am
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I almost forgot to come back to this, dang. I believe you are
correct in that it may not be the norm for routers to come with
UPnP enabled. I should have specified that, from my experience,
which has been strictly with Netgear routers, I really believe
that they were set to have UPnP enabled out of the box. This may
be because of the routers that my dad would buy when I was
living with my parents, because he always bought routers that
could handle his Xbox 360, then xboxone, without causing our
connections in the house on things like our phone, or laptop, to
suffer. The last router of theirs that I really did much with
was the WNDR4300, and I really, really would have bet my life
that it's default setting is UPnP enabled. It is the same router
that I bought, prior to the one I have now, and I remember
always going in and switching upnp off when my nephew was here
for some reason. What that reason was is anybody's guess.
Your explanation of what port-forwarding is, and more
importantly, what it isn't, was very good and understandable.
That being said, I still find it odd that, out of all of the
Triple A releases every year, I rarely hear of anybody telling
folks they need to tinker with their router settings for an
optimal performance, unless it's coming from Activision.
As far as DMZ is concerned, I would never, ever recommend
someone put anything in there, even though Macabbi swore it is
safe. He was correct that throwing a console in the DMZ is much
different than throwing your laptop, or gaming PC, in there, but
I personally would never be able to bring myself to make that
recommendation to someone. I may tell them that the option
exists, but only as a last resort. Good post, and great reading.
I always enjoy reading when someone else nerds out!
#Post#: 740--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hardwiring Routers, Limited Background Apps, Etc. Does it
work?
DIR By: guest7
Date: February 7, 2020, 6:26 pm
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--- Quote from: mygamertagsucks link ---
>
> I almost forgot to come back to this, dang. I believe you are
correct in that it may not be the norm for routers to come with
UPnP enabled. I should have specified that, from my experience,
which has been strictly with Netgear routers, I really believe
that they were set to have UPnP enabled out of the box.
>
--- End Quote ---
You're not wrong. I was just pointing out that not necessarily
all come with UPnP enabled. I read an article about it a while
ago from 2017. In it is where the author stated more and more
routers will come with UPnP enabled by default. I bought an
Arris something or other modem/router combo back in 2017 and did
not have it enabled. My 2 modem/router combos from my ISP did
not have it enabled. My Nighthawk did have it enabled. I wonder
if it matters the type (modem/router combo vs just a router) or
the brand name. Doesn't matter. Takes like 2 minutes to find out
lol.
Also yes I should have been more clear about putting stuff in
DMZ. Maccabi is correct in that just having your console in DMZ
is safer, I'm with you, I wouldn't recommend it. Crazy what
people can do these days, why take the risk.
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