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#Post#: 586--------------------------------------------------
Hardwiring Routers, Limited Background Apps, Etc. Does it work?
By: mygamertagsucks Date: February 5, 2020, 2:46 pm
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This is just my personal experience with lag in Call of Duty
ever since I began playing during BO2. None of this should be
considered advice, unless you're comfortable taking what I post
as advice. In short, I want to share what works for me, kind of.
Hardwiring. First, and foremost, Activision was extremely
misleading in explaining what benefits you can expect to receive
once you play via a hardwired console, versus playing on WiFi,
and I think that really pissed a bunch of people off.
While it is true, hardwiring will create a more stable
connection, for you, you're still going to see people skipping,
and rubberbanding, all over the map. When I first hardwired my
PS4, I expected that I would cease to experience this mess. I
thought, as I'm sure everykne else thought when they hardwired,
that doing so would result in some sort of slight "edge" over
the competition. As we've all come to realize, this is not the
case at all.
For the record, all hardwiring does is create a more stable
connection between you, and the server, because it is less prone
to interference. You should notice that,while other players
continue to rubber band and skip around, your player actually
skips very little, if ever. If you've hardwired, and your player
continues to skip around, I would strongly suggest checking your
Ethernet cable that connects your ps4 to the router for any sign
of breakage. A common occurrence, which happened to me, is to
have the cable get crimped by a door (if you're like me and
decided against going underground with your cabling again),
which will result in an experience worse than being on wifi.
Activision was not forthcoming in admitting that, no matter how
much you or I optimize our connection, that does nothing to
negate all of the wifi superstars who are unkillable due to
skipping. This INFURIATED me (Sorry, still using phone and can't
get back to the font section). Likewise, Activision would not
acknowledge this, and continued to insist on asking more info
about my connection, multiple times, during the course of them
trying to help me troubleshoot. I asked, no fewer than a dozen
times, what good it does us to hardwire when we are facing off
against wifi players who continued to skip and rubber band. So
help me God, Seanicus, despite being a great guy, almost got a
pimpslap through my laptop the third time he asked for a
screenshot of my speedtest results on my PS4. In short, there is
nothing we can do against wifi players. Despite the common sense
belief that, if we see them skipping, they must be experiencing
a ton of lag on their end, this simply is not 5be case, and I
can prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt. During Infinite
Warfare, when I played with PrecookedCow, one of the members of
his clan happened to be located in a shitty area of Mexico, and
he admitted that his ISP only allocated 15mbps down, and 2 up.
With just 2mbps up, this dude also streamed! He routinely
dropped Nukes on stream, but I noticed he always had the packet
loss icon showing on his screen. ALWAYS. Also, he never dropped
a Nuke in FFA, it was always TDM. I'm not saying he had no
skill, because I think he did, but his videos and streams always
showed enemies failing to even acknowledge that he is present.
This is because, as an opposing player, he did not "arrive" at a
position, he seemingly "teleported" to his position. However,
his screen looked normal. It was infuriating, and was one of my
first reasons for begin considering a gaming router.
The biggest problem that I have noticed is that most of us
receive shitty test results for BufferBloat when we run a
speedtest at DSLReports.com from our console. Even though I have
a good idea and understanding of Bufferbloats, and it's cause;
it's one of those things that I cannot explain in a manner that
makes any sense. This sucks because it is a huge, huge, problem,
and is only fixable, that I know of anyhow, via fine-tuning your
settings on a gaming router that runs DumaOS. If you do not have
DumaOS, the best advice I can give you is to absolutely limit
how many devices are connected to your network while you are
gaming. Prior to having my current router, my nephew would have
multiple things on the network at once, usually for no reason.
He would be playing his switch online, while playing a YouTube
video on his iPad and streaming songs from his iPhone. First,
that pissed me off when I realized it. Second, I was able to
remedy this by setting my buffer bloat to 70% of my available up
and downstream bandwidth, and assigning his devices fewer than
1% of the total upstream bandwidth, while giving him 15% of my
downstream bandwidth on his tablet, and 3% on each of his other
devices. I mention this to stress how important it is to not
have idle devices still on network. You would be shocked at what
all goes on between your phone and Facebook, Amazon, Google
Photos, all of the apps on your phone, etc, etc. A really,
really good source to watch about this issue would be
battle(non)sense on YouTube. I won't overstate his and my
relationship and pretend that I know him any better than I do,
but he is the one who helped me reached my optimal settings with
my new router. All in all, he is a great guy, very smart, and
down to Earth. Had he not been the one to help me with my
connection issues, I would not feel as comfortable calling out
Activision for their incessant non-sense, and finger pointing
regarding the connections with Call of Duty. If you want a
lesson on what BufferBloat is, and why it is so hard to combat,
I suggest looking up battle(non)sense, and some guy named Sim73,
both on YouTube. Be warned, Sim has a pretty bland personality
and, personally, I'm not a fan of his content, but respect him
for his knowledge.
So, TLDR; hardwiring only works for your connection, and has no
impact on other players skipping and teleporting. The biggest
problem we have, as gamers, is BufferBloat, which is hard to
combat. A great start is to limit # of devices even connected to
just the essentials. The fewer the devices the less BufferBloat
to contend with.
And do not believe Activision regarding connections.
#Post#: 591--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hardwiring Routers, Limited Background Apps, Etc. Does it wo
rk?
By: Horrorman Date: February 5, 2020, 3:48 pm
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Funny thing when I play on WiFi its more bad than wired. So this
is one case which doesnt fit for me, but for others it does. I
have friends playing on WiFi for to have better connectivity
than wired. It´s all kind of strange.
#Post#: 594--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hardwiring Routers, Limited Background Apps, Etc. Does it wo
rk?
By: mygamertagsucks Date: February 5, 2020, 4:36 pm
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I have had mixed results. For some reason, and I'm guessing it
is the PS4 internal networking card, I can not achieve above
60.6mbps down, and 9.1 up when hardwired.
On wifi, I get 85mbps down, but only 4.1 up. Helluva trade off.
#Post#: 596--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hardwiring Routers, Limited Background Apps, Etc. Does it wo
rk?
By: STABBOTAGE Date: February 5, 2020, 5:04 pm
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Yesterday I decided to hop on and play a bit, and noticed it
said "searching for <200ms" that should have been my first
clue...
I left that lobby and decided to try again, and same thing. My
family was downstairs streaming shows from hulu.
I went 0-3 real quick and all three deaths were very sketchy,
like one shot killed by a .50 cal pistol when I was dumping a
full MP7 mag in them... so I turned my game off, hoping that C0D
collects data from people who hop on, die 3 times quickly and
shut the game off.
The problem is most-likely on my end since my best internet
speed is 8mbps and .9mbps (download/upload) from
speedtest(dot)net.
The other strange thing, is my XBOX shows NAT Type: OPEN, but
when I get Modern Warfare loaded up, it shows "NAT TYPE:
MODERATE" at the bottom. Not sure how to optimize/change this. I
watched a few videos on how to do this and that, but again, my
XBOX shows OPEN.
Other facts: I live out in the boonies and the only other option
is satellite internet.
My son has over 300mbps!!! And when I squad up with him, he does
great and I get decimated. He downplays the connection advantage
he has, and it makes me sound like a whiner when I keep saying
"NO WAY I WAS SHOOTING THEM FIRST!" so I end up muting myself so
he doesn't have to constantly hear all that while he is in
god-mode going 25-5 (and I'm 5-30). When I am not lobbied with
him, and I play FFA (he likes TDM) then I typically do very
well. The day prior to my bad connection issues, no one was home
(drawing off of the internet) and I went 21-13 and 19-5 for the
two games I played--combined this makes 40-18 (not too shabby
for me).
I am hardwired to my modem which is 4 feet away from my console.
#Post#: 607--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hardwiring Routers, Limited Background Apps, Etc. Does it wo
rk?
By: guest7 Date: February 5, 2020, 9:32 pm
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[quote author=mygamertagsucks link=topic=90.msg594#msg594
date=1580942193]
I have had mixed results. For some reason, and I'm guessing it
is the PS4 internal networking card, I can not achieve above
60.6mbps down, and 9.1 up when hardwired.
On wifi, I get 85mbps down, but only 4.1 up. Helluva trade off.
[/quote]
I have achieved 400+ and 20 on my PS4 with nothing else on my
network. On any given day though I probably get 100 and 10 maybe
a little less on the up. I have 500 down and 30 up for my ISP
package.
#Post#: 608--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hardwiring Routers, Limited Background Apps, Etc. Does it wo
rk?
By: guest7 Date: February 5, 2020, 9:43 pm
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[quote author=STABBOTAGE link=topic=90.msg596#msg596
date=1580943847]
Yesterday I decided to hop on and play a bit, and noticed it
said "searching for <200ms" that should have been my first
clue...
I left that lobby and decided to try again, and same thing. My
family was downstairs streaming shows from hulu.
I went 0-3 real quick and all three deaths were very sketchy,
like one shot killed by a .50 cal pistol when I was dumping a
full MP7 mag in them... so I turned my game off, hoping that C0D
collects data from people who hop on, die 3 times quickly and
shut the game off.
The problem is most-likely on my end since my best internet
speed is 8mbps and .9mbps (download/upload) from
speedtest(dot)net.
The other strange thing, is my XBOX shows NAT Type: OPEN, but
when I get Modern Warfare loaded up, it shows "NAT TYPE:
MODERATE" at the bottom. Not sure how to optimize/change this. I
watched a few videos on how to do this and that, but again, my
XBOX shows OPEN.
Other facts: I live out in the boonies and the only other option
is satellite internet.
My son has over 300mbps!!! And when I squad up with him, he does
great and I get decimated. He downplays the connection advantage
he has, and it makes me sound like a whiner when I keep saying
"NO WAY I WAS SHOOTING THEM FIRST!" so I end up muting myself so
he doesn't have to constantly hear all that while he is in
god-mode going 25-5 (and I'm 5-30). When I am not lobbied with
him, and I play FFA (he likes TDM) then I typically do very
well. The day prior to my bad connection issues, no one was home
(drawing off of the internet) and I went 21-13 and 19-5 for the
two games I played--combined this makes 40-18 (not too shabby
for me).
I am hardwired to my modem which is 4 feet away from my console.
[/quote]
Your NAT type can totally be open on your console and moderate
or strict ingame. Advanced Warfare was the first CoD that I had
to learn all about ports. My NAT was open on my PS4, but ingame
it was moderate.
Port forwarding will correct that.
When you play with your boy does it matter who invites? Like are
you able to invite him and can he join just fine? Or does it
have to be the other way around? Just curious
for...umm..knowledge reasons I guess lol.
#Post#: 616--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hardwiring Routers, Limited Background Apps, Etc. Does it wo
rk?
By: mygamertagsucks Date: February 6, 2020, 12:54 am
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[quote author=James21-Grimm link=topic=90.msg607#msg607
date=1580959953]
[quote author=mygamertagsucks link=topic=90.msg594#msg594
date=1580942193]
I have had mixed results. For some reason, and I'm guessing it
is the PS4 internal networking card, I can not achieve above
60.6mbps down, and 9.1 up when hardwired.
On wifi, I get 85mbps down, but only 4.1 up. Helluva trade off.
[/quote]
I have achieved 400+ and 20 on my PS4 with nothing else on my
network. On any given day though I probably get 100 and 10 maybe
a little less on the up. I have 500 down and 30 up for my ISP
package.
[/quote]
Your network speeds, from your PS4 web browser, actually showed
that high of bandwidth? I'm only asking because that's freaking
amazing. Even when I bypassed my router, to check a few things,
and hardwired directly into my modem, I was only able to get
around 80mbps down, and 11mbps up. That was back when my plan
with Comcast was 100/10. Now, they've added bandwidth to all of
their plans, free of charge, and Im paying for 200/12, but I
have never, EVER, come close to reaching those numbers with my
PS4. If I hardwire my laptop, and run a test, I always get about
225/15, but the router seems to cut my bandwidth for some
reason. Fun fact: because I am getting what I pay for when
connected directly to the modem, this is not a Comcast issue,
and they will offer no help in trying to remedy the situation.
I've replaced the Cat5e patch cable from the modem to the
router, with Cat6E, and even bought 50 feet of Cat6E Ethernet
cabling from BestBuy, and nothing helped. Common sense tells me
that something is going awry when the modem begins talking to
the router. I'm starting to wonder if I need to upgrade my modem
to a DOCSIS3.1 compliant model, instead of the DOCSIS 3.0 model
I currently have. I guess it's worth checking into.
#Post#: 620--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hardwiring Routers, Limited Background Apps, Etc. Does it wo
rk?
By: Dtuchpunk Date: February 6, 2020, 1:20 am
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With ww2 and the switch to a 200/200 connection. I didn't notice
any difference in speed/lag in cod. Cod will max out with
4418kb/s. At least in the 4000 maybe sometimes a bit higher.
With old slower connection cod will drop down to 3000 something
when other devices where connected/using bandwidth.
Still wonder how much cod really takes.
But my experience and [member=6]Horrorman[/member] his
experience in cod is influy a lot by people in other countries
with less then perfect connections.
Cod will lag.
#Post#: 629--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hardwiring Routers, Limited Background Apps, Etc. Does it wo
rk?
By: mygamertagsucks Date: February 6, 2020, 2:20 am
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I'm glad you brought that bandwidth indicator from WWII up
again. Nothing gave me more of a headache than that damn thing.
Usually, I would log on and be at 4114kbps. Every so often,
despite having a clean, unused line, my bandwidth would drop to
2140kbps for no real reason. All I had to do was close the
application, and restart it, and I'd be back at 4114kbps. Man,
that was really frustrating because I was actually convinced
that my line, underground, had some sort of issue with it, or
Comcast was having issues with their routing services, and I
never truly did figure it out.
I do know that on Jan 2, they came out and reburied a new line,
and I never had anything but 4114kbps from then on, unless my
nephew was online doing something.
#Post#: 646--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hardwiring Routers, Limited Background Apps, Etc. Does it wo
rk?
By: STABBOTAGE Date: February 6, 2020, 8:27 am
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[quote author=James21-Grimm link=topic=90.msg608#msg608
date=1580960590]
[quote author=STABBOTAGE link=topic=90.msg596#msg596
date=1580943847]
Yesterday I decided to hop on and play a bit, and noticed it
said "searching for <200ms" that should have been my first
clue...
I left that lobby and decided to try again, and same thing. My
family was downstairs streaming shows from hulu.
I went 0-3 real quick and all three deaths were very sketchy,
like one shot killed by a .50 cal pistol when I was dumping a
full MP7 mag in them... so I turned my game off, hoping that C0D
collects data from people who hop on, die 3 times quickly and
shut the game off.
The problem is most-likely on my end since my best internet
speed is 8mbps and .9mbps (download/upload) from
speedtest(dot)net.
The other strange thing, is my XBOX shows NAT Type: OPEN, but
when I get Modern Warfare loaded up, it shows "NAT TYPE:
MODERATE" at the bottom. Not sure how to optimize/change this. I
watched a few videos on how to do this and that, but again, my
XBOX shows OPEN.
Other facts: I live out in the boonies and the only other option
is satellite internet.
My son has over 300mbps!!! And when I squad up with him, he does
great and I get decimated. He downplays the connection advantage
he has, and it makes me sound like a whiner when I keep saying
"NO WAY I WAS SHOOTING THEM FIRST!" so I end up muting myself so
he doesn't have to constantly hear all that while he is in
god-mode going 25-5 (and I'm 5-30). When I am not lobbied with
him, and I play FFA (he likes TDM) then I typically do very
well. The day prior to my bad connection issues, no one was home
(drawing off of the internet) and I went 21-13 and 19-5 for the
two games I played--combined this makes 40-18 (not too shabby
for me).
I am hardwired to my modem which is 4 feet away from my console.
[/quote]
Your NAT type can totally be open on your console and moderate
or strict ingame. Advanced Warfare was the first CoD that I had
to learn all about ports. My NAT was open on my PS4, but ingame
it was moderate.
Port forwarding will correct that.
When you play with your boy does it matter who invites? Like are
you able to invite him and can he join just fine? Or does it
have to be the other way around? Just curious
for...umm..knowledge reasons I guess lol.
[/quote]
We havent really paid attention but 90% of the time I join him.
I do recall him complaining “I have been owning all day until I
joined you, now im getting wrecked!”
It makes me feel bad.
I would definitely do port forwarding if I knew how.
Question: does it only improve comms?
I will post pics of what the centuryl1nk router page looks like
when I get a chance.
Thanks for your help.
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