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Re: The World Today
DIR By: boatdrink
Date: May 9, 2011, 1:35 pm
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Detainees held in CIA "black sites" and at Gitmo gave up the
initial pieces information used in tracking down OBL's courier.
Obama campaigned on closing those "black sites" (which he has)
and Gitmo (which he hasn't).
Seems pretty obvious to me.
For me, the only part that's debatable is if the EITs used on
KSM and others also played a role. I don't think that question
can ever be answered 100% either way.
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Re: The World Today
DIR By: ISF
Date: May 9, 2011, 1:38 pm
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--- Quote from: Method link ---
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>
> What a joke... what poilcies is that? where did they find bin
laden? Iraq?
>
--- End Quote ---
I'll bet it will soon be common knowledge that Afghanistan was
started by President Obama.
You've already said interrogations at Guantanamo had nothing to
do with finding Bin Laden.
Apparently, it was all Empty Suit's mystical powers.
In other news, Empty Suit hasn't deviated one inch from Bush
policy in Iraq, escalated Afghanistan
and entered us into an action in Libya despite the fact there
was exactly zero threat to the U.S. from that country.
All of this from the candidate that ran as the anti-Bush. Mr.
Nobel Peace Prize.
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Re: The World Today
DIR By: Method
Date: May 9, 2011, 1:39 pm
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That is some outstanding spin there. Let me give it a try.
The massive drone campaign over the last 18 months tracked down
bin laden... having a president that made a campaign promise to
go after bin laden and get him came thru, vs one set on fighting
daddies wars in Iraq!
May i ask what these initial pieces of information were? or
where you got that news? i havent had a chance to catch up all
the news from the last 12 odd days.
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Re: The World Today
DIR By: Method
Date: May 9, 2011, 1:41 pm
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--- Quote from: ISF link ---
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> [quote author=Method link=topic=13.msg1501#msg1501
date=1304958623]
>
> What a joke... what poilcies is that? where did they find bin
laden? Iraq?
>
--- End Quote ---
I'll bet it will soon be common knowledge that Afghanistan was
started by President Obama.
You've already said interrogations at Guantanamo had nothing to
do with finding Bin Laden.
Apparently, it was all Empty Suit's mystical powers.
In other news, Empty Suit hasn't deviated one inch from Bush
policy in Iraq, escalated Afghanistan
and entered us into an action in Libya despite the fact there
was exactly zero threat to the U.S. from that country.
All of this from the candidate that ran as the anti-Bush. Mr.
Nobel Peace Prize.
[/quote]
Going into Libya was the right thing to do... it was either that
or watck about 500K people be slaughtered. Funny how the right
can defend Iraq to this day when there was no reason what so
ever to go into that mess.
Obama inherited both the messes in Afghanistan and Iraq. Perhaps
if bush had done the right thing in Afghanistan to begin with
instead of diverting resources to Iraq we'd have been done with
it by now.
All hail Bush the doer of no wrong.
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Re: The World Today
DIR By: Method
Date: May 9, 2011, 1:42 pm
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That doesnt even bring up the fact that Bush started a war in
Iraq with ZERO exit strategy...
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Re: The World Today
DIR By: ISF
Date: May 9, 2011, 1:43 pm
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--- Quote from: Method link ---
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> That doesnt even bring up the fact that Bush started a war in
Iraq with ZERO exit strategy...
>
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Actually, I believe Empty Suit is adhering to GWB's exit
strategy.
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Re: The World Today
DIR By: Method
Date: May 9, 2011, 1:43 pm
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Which is? none...
Hes forced to stay the course since we have no other choice...
cant just pull up and leave now.
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Re: The World Today
DIR By: ISF
Date: May 9, 2011, 1:51 pm
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--- Quote from: Method link ---
>
> Going into Libya was the right thing to do... it was either
that or watch about 500K people be slaughtered. Funny how the
right can defend Iraq to this day when there was no reason what
so ever to go into that mess.
>
--- End Quote ---
No, it wasn't. Unless of course you are saying that GWB going
into Iraq was the wrong thing to do because you think we should
have gone in when he attacked the Kurds back in the day. How
about Sudan? Niger? How do we decide which people shouldn't be
slaughtered?
At the time of the Iraq invasion, everyone, including Clinton,
Kerry, Harkin and all of the heroes of the left believed Saddam
had or was trying to build WMD. Unless you're saying that
wouldn't be a threat to us, I'd say it's significantly different
than National Buffoon's Libyan vacation.
--- Quote from: Method link ---
>
> Obama inherited both the messes in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Perhaps if bush had done the right thing in Afghanistan to begin
with instead of diverting resources to Iraq we'd have been done
with it by now.
>
> All hail Bush the doer of no wrong.
>
--- End Quote ---
By the time Empty Suit took office, the Iraq surge had done its
work. A surge Empty Suit said was the wrong decision in a war
Empty Suit said was lost. All he's done since is follow GWB's
script. I suppose we should forget that and just chalk up Iraq
as an Empty Suit victory though.
GWB did plenty wrong. And there's the difference. The right can
say that. The left wants a halo around Empty Suit's head.
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Re: The World Today
DIR By: ISF
Date: May 9, 2011, 1:56 pm
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--- Quote from: Method link ---
>
> Which is? none...
>
> Hes forced to stay the course since we have no other choice...
cant just pull up and leave now.
>
--- End Quote ---
You really need to brush up on your reading. Before Bush left
office he had an agreement (SOFA) with Iraq that U.S. forces
would withdraw at the end of 2011. An agreement Empty Suit is
honoring.
HTML http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/world/africa/22iht-troops.4.15557880.html
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Re: The World Today
DIR By: WshflThinking
Date: May 9, 2011, 2:07 pm
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GWB did plenty wrong. And there's the difference. The right can
say that. The left wants a halo around Empty Suit's head.
No way Jose. I think we are stuck in Afghanistan too, much like
the Russians were.
If killing Bin Laden is the beginning of the end of Afghanistan,
it wont work. Obama cant just say that our goals for Afghanistan
are complete and pull all the troops out.
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