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Re: Future Earth
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: January 30, 2023, 2:14 pm
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> JD Here's something for you to ponder:
> Wrong Brothers at Kitty Hawk to Mach 1: 1903 to 1955
> Mach 1 to a space station along with a few Newtonian physics
sling shot maneuvers to send probes hither and yon: 1955-2015...
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I DON'T THINK SO. WHERE do you get the idea that technological
progress SLOWED DOWN after Mach 1? I think it didn't "slow
down". I think it has ACCELLERATED. But 🦖
[shadow=red,left]fossil fuel[/shadow] profits had to be
😈 [shadow=green,left]preserved[/shadow]. It's REALLY
that simple, JD.
People here (Doomstead Diner) talk about how the elite are going
to off the "useless eaters" with all kinds of devilish plans.
::) RE is RIGHT to claim we don't DO separate biospheres well.
They tried that in a Mars Colony setup right here on earth. ALL
the atmosphere, water, soil, plants, people and so on were self
contained in large concrete and glass building.
But they forgot to figure in the fact that fresh concrete
absorbs a lot oxygen (concrete cures for DECADES after it first
sets, absorbing oxygen at lesser and lesser rates as it cures).
Guess what happened to the scientists in the Mars colony biome?
Remember, these are dedicated, brilliant individuals.
They began to have arguments.
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/>They formed cliques and began increasingly hostile exchanges
and
hate filled and
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/>hysterical arguments
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/>and
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/>accusations. To avoid violence the experiment had to be
aborted
for a brief period.
As soon as the scientists exited the biome, they immediately
recovered their civilized demeanor and were thoroughly chagrined
by their video taped descent into sniping and false accusations
of research sabotaging.
THEN they found that the oxygen level when the paranoia and
sniping began had dropped below 18% because the concrete was
sucking it up. The plants could not keep up. People were NOT
getting headaches like typical anoxia victims get that would
have warned them. No the instrumentation in the biome DID NOT
register dangerous oxygen levels for some reason - it's in the
article - they fixed it (I've been there as a pilot - When
you've got a headache and you are above 10,000 feet without on
board oxygen, you KNOW why and you descend).
So, it is EASY to turn us into a bunch a of even more barbaric
and insane bastards than we are RIGHT NOW! :o I can take every
single person here and have them ready to go to war with anybody
else over imagined paranoia by simply lowering the oxygen from
the normal (about 21%) to 18% or lower (without telling them
about it, OF COURSE 😈. They won't notice! They'll just
turn into savages and eventually start murdering each other!
So the "elite" doesn't need to gas us with hydrogen sulfide or
any other expensive plan. ALL THEY NEED TO[shadow=red,left]
DO[/shadow] is [shadow=red,left]keep burning[/shadow] those
🦖 fossil fuels full tilt while ☠️ reducing
the [shadow=teal,left]photosynthetic phytoplankton[/shadow] and
[glow=green,2,300]flora[/glow] through
[glow=maroon,2,300]heated[/glow] oceans and
[shadow=brown,left]desertification[/shadow]. It's SIMPLE!
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/>It's also a GREAT BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY!
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When word gets out that, unfortunately
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/>the 21% we are used to isn't "holding",
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/>SOMEBODY is going to make a LOT OF MONEY selling bottled
oxygen...
[center]OSHA defines as oxygen deficient any atmosphere that
contains less than 19.5 percent.
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I'll dig up the article if you want. It's all DOCUMENTED. This
is not hyperbole or scare mongering. Our intelligence, morality
and civilized demeanor vanishes when we go below around 18%
oxygen in the air we breathe, period. I suppose our body senses
something isn't right and our brain proceeds to look for someone
to blame for it. And that's with oxygen. There are other QUITE
COMMON atmospheric gasses than bring about all sorts of
"interesting" (depending upon your point of view) responses from
Homo SAPS. We are VERY fragile.
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[move]"As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying, so
the curse causeless shall not come." Proverbs 26:2[/move]
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📢 "We need a World War Two mentality to deal with
the real breakdown of nature."
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: February 16, 2023, 6:17 pm
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[glow=blue,2,300]RADIO ECOSHOCK[/glow]
February 15, 2023
[center]Mass Extinction with [glow=red,2,300]Apocalyptic
Economics[/glow][/center]
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AGelbert NOTE: In the second half of the Radio Ecoshock Podcast,
[glow=green,2,300] Keen[/glow] explains in the interview
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/>that wind transporting heat from the low-latitudes to the
high-latitudes
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/>would [glow=red,2,300]destroy[/glow] the Ozone layer in less
than a decade, ending human civilization❗
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[center][glow=green,2,300]STEVE KEEN:[/glow]
[glow=brown,2,300]INSANE ECONOMICS[/glow] TAKES US TO
[glow=red,2,300]RUIN[/glow][/center]
An Ecoshock listener wrote: “you have got to hear this!” We all
need to hear Australian economist [glow=blue,2,300]Steve
Keen[/glow]
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explain why
corporations and governments are operating on
[glow=brown,2,300]crazy economic theories[/glow] about the
impacts of climate change.
I remember when the Garnaut Climate Change Review was released
in Australia, back in 2008. Garnaut talked about the cost to
Gross Domestic Production of a 3 to 4 degree C warming. It would
be costly, but business would go on as usual he thought.
Starting in the 1990’s, Yale economist William Nordhaus started
us down this dangerous track. Without a real basis in science,
Nordhaus assured the world that 2 degrees C of warming would be
the upper “safe” limit. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change went along with that for a couple of decades, even as
their own scientists raised more and more damages coming not
just at 1.5 degrees C, but right now at just over 1 degree
warming.
But I’ve read plenty of business-oriented reports suggesting 3
or 4 degrees C. warming is no big deal. Now we know that would
be disastrous, likely a civilization-ending event. Business does
not go on. Maybe humans do not go on, at least not billions of
us.
Steven Keen blows up the Nordhaus theology and all the
fellow-travelers who operate as climate minimizers, sometimes
with fossil fuel related funding. Keen was an associate
professor of economics at University of Western Sydney. He
became Head of Economics at at Kingston University in London,
and now does independent research. This man knows economics, and
he is 📢🚨 blowing the whistle.
Keen tells us: it’s not just corruption. It is just what
economists believe. They can become a zealot for capitalism.
They reject any opposition or criticism. William Nordhaus said
85% of workers will not be affected by climate because they work
indoors, in controlled environments.
By their formula, 6 degrees C of warming leads to an 8% fall in
GDP. Keen calls it crazy. He is working on a research project on
this right now.“ It’s just nonsense”.
Keen thinks only a [glow=red,2,300]major [/glow]disaster will
bring any change. Until the public is freaked out, they will not
accept mandated changes to their lifestyles. Politicians cannot
get too far ahead of that. To have a chance to maintain a
civilization, he says we need to have some reserves, like grain
stored in case of disaster, and a ration-based economy, so
everyone gets a share. We need a World War Two mentality to deal
with the [glow=red,2,300]real breakdown[/glow] of
[glow=green,2,300]nature[/glow].
In the second half of this show, you hear “Exposing Apocalyptic
Economics with Steve Keen” as posted January 30, 2023 by
theAnalysis.news. My thanks for permission to rebroadcast.
You can listen to Steve Keen and host Colin Anthes 🔊
here
HTML https://player.fm/series/theanalysisnews/exposing-apocalyptic-economics-with-steve-keen.
[glow=maroon,2,300]WARMING [/glow]COULD [glow=red,2,300]CHANGE
THE WHOLE[/glow] ATMOSPHERIC CIRCULATION SYSTEM
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/>(which leads to a very [glow=red,2,300]different[/glow]
☠️ planet…)
During the interview, Keen points to a hair-raising possibility:
the entire atmospheric circulation system could shift during
global warming. The result would be a [glow=brown,2,300]band of
deserts[/glow] around the mid-latitudes (like America, China,
and Europe) as we now find in the Middle East. High amounts of
rain and snow would pour down at both Poles.
This is well explained in this piece from
[glow=blue,2,300]Harvard research[/glow]
HTML https://groups.seas.harvard.edu/climate/eli/research/equable/hadley.html:
“The atmosphere transports heat throughout the globe extremely
well, but present-day atmospheric characteristics prevent heat
from being carried directly from the equator to the poles.
Currently, there are three distinct wind cells – Hadley Cells,
Ferrell Cells, and Polar Cells – that divide the troposphere
into regions of essentially closed wind circulations. In this
arrangement, heat from the equator generally sinks around 30°
latitude where the Hadley Cells end. As a result, the warmest
air does not reach the poles.
If atmospheric dynamics were [glow=red,2,300]different[/glow],
however, it is plausible that one large overturning circulation
per hemisphere could exist and that wind from the low-latitudes
could transport heat to the high-latitudes. As an explanation
for equable climates, Brian Farrell presented this idea in 1990
and advocated that during equable climates, the Hadley Cells
extended from the equator to the poles (Farrell, 1990).”
The 1990 Farrell paper is called [color=navy]“Equable Climate
Dynamics”[/color]
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You can follow up with this 2014 Open Access paper:
“[glow=brown,2,300]Weakening[/glow] of the global atmospheric
circulation with [glow=red,2,300]global warming[/glow]”
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For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of
God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them
that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely
be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God
commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto
a faithful Creator. 1st Peter 4:17-19
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in
the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and
the elements shall [glow=red,2,300]melt[/glow] with
[glow=red,2,300]fervent heat[/glow], the [glow=red,2,300]earth
also[/glow] and the works that are therein shall be
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/>[glow=red,2,300]burned up[/glow]. -- 2nd Peter 3:10
[move]The heart of the prudent getteth knowledge; and the ear of
the wise seeketh knowledge.
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The problem with AI has absolutely nothing to do with AI and
everything to do with the ideology of the programmers that
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: March 30, 2023, 5:09 pm
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MARCH 29, 2023 By BILL MCKIBBEN
[center]Regular Old [glow=blue,2,300]Intelligence[/glow] is
Sufficient--Even [glow=green,2,300]Lovely[/glow][/center]
[move]Thinking through the other possible apocalypse[/move]
Precisely twenty years ago, I published a book called “Enough”
that outlined my fears about artificial intelligence and its
companion technologies like advanced robotics and human genetic
engineering. It did well enough, even coming out in a number of
foreign editions (it turns out that the German for ‘enough’ is
the delightful ‘genug.’) But like most warnings it came too
early; indeed, warnings generally come too early until they are
too late.
Now, however, we may be in a brief window when we have ears to
hear. And so I’m going to take a day off from fretting about the
thermometer to talk about this other peril—though, as we shall
see, they’re related.
This newsletter, I hope, is helpful. It’s free so that all can
read, but if you can afford the modest subscription without
undue hardship, that’s very kind of you.
The cascading releases of chatbots over the last few months—the
GPT family, Bing, Bard—have made it clear that some powerful new
force is entering our world. These devices, ‘large language
models’ trained by exposure to vast swaths of the internet, have
cheerfully explained to people how to build explosives and how
to secretly buy guns; they’ve tried to break up marriages and
conspired to figure out how to escape the safeguards with which
they’ve been equipped. Much of our interaction with them so far
has been trivial—we’ve taught them tricks, as if they were pets,
and asked them to write limericks. Experts have raised
reasonable questions about whether they’re as yet sentient—they
work, after all, like giant auto-correction devices, working
their magic by guessing what word should come next.
There’s much about them we don’t understand—see Sue Halpern’s
excellent essay in the New Yorker today, which points out how
opaque the companies marketing these new entities have been. And
as is usually the case, most commentary is glib: Tom Friedman
has pronounced it “Promethean,” pointing out brightly that it
could be “a tool or a weapon.”
But there’s clearly an undercurrent of profound unease.
Friedman’s Times colleague, Ezra Klein, has done some of the
most dedicated reporting on the topic since he moved to the Bay
Area a few years ago, talking with many of the people creating
this new technology.
He has two key findings, I think: one is that the people
building these systems have only a limited sense of what’s
actually happening inside the black box—the bot is doing endless
calculations instantaneously, but not in a way even their
inventors can actually follow
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And second, the people inventing them think they are potentially
incredibly dangerous: ten percent of them, in fact, think they
might extinguish the human species. They don’t know exactly how,
but think Sorcerer’s Apprentice (or google ‘paper clip
maximizer.’)
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Taken together, those two things give rise to an obvious
question, one Klein has asked: “’If you think calamity so
possible, why do this at all?’ Different people have different
things to say, but after a few pushes, I find
[glow=red,2,300]they[/glow] often answer from something that
sounds like the [glow=red,2,300]A.I.’s perspective[/glow]. Many
— not all, but enough that I feel comfortable in this
characterization —
[center][glow=red,2,300]feel that they have a responsibility to
usher this new form of intelligence into the
world[/glow].”[/center]
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That is, it seems to me, a dumb answer from smart people—the
[glow=red,2,300]answer[/glow] [b]not of people who have thought
hard about ethics or even 💣 outcomes, but the answer
that would be supplied by a kind of
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/>cultist. (Probably the [glow=red,2,300]kind with stock
options[/glow]).[/b] Still, it does go, fairly neatly, with the
default modern assumption that if we can do something we should
do it, which is what I want to talk about. The question that I
think very few have bothered to answer is, why?
When you read accounts of AI’s usefulness, the example that
comes up most often is something called ‘protein folding.’ One
pundit after another explains that an AI program called Deep
Mind worked far faster than scientists doing experiments to
uncover the basic structure of all the different proteins, which
will allow quicker drug development. It’s regarded as ipso facto
better because it’s faster, and hence—implicitly—worth taking
the risks that come with AI.
But why? The sun won’t blow up for a few billion years, meaning
that if we don’t manage to drive ourselves to extinction, we’ve
got all the time in the world. If it takes a generation or two
for normal intelligence to come up with the structure of all the
proteins, some people may die because a drug isn’t developed in
time for their particular disease, but erring on the side of
avoiding extinction seems mathematically sound. We’ve actually
managed a great deal of scientific advance—maybe more than our
societies can easily handle—without AI. What’s the rush?
The other challenge that people cite, over and over again, to
justify running the risks of AI is to “combat climate change,”
which everyone reading this newsletter knows a bit about. As it
happens, regular old intelligence has already give us most of
what we need: engineers have cut the cost of solar power and
windpower and the batteries to store the energy they produce so
dramatically that they’re now the cheapest power on earth. We
don’t actually need artificial intelligence in this case; we
need natural compassion, so that we work with the necessary
speed to deploy these technologies.
Beyond those, the cases become trivial, or worse. Here’s Klein,
playing devil’s advocate: “I wish that I could draw things I
can't. It's neat for me, that I can tell the computer what to
draw and it will draw. It allows me to play around in art in a
way I couldn't before.” Actually, though, playing Etch-a-Sketch
with Dall-E, the drawing bot, isn’t really likely to produce
deep satisfaction: what we know about human creativity is that
is that for us to really lose ourselves we don’t need to be good
at something, we just have to be at the limit of whatever our
ability is. It’s in the struggle that we achieve the kind of
bliss that comes with art, or chess, or whatever. Making it
easier actually lessens the pleasure: the athletic equivalent of
artificial intelligence is artificial strength or artificial
endurance, achieved with various drugs. But as we’ve thought
about them, we’ve decided that undermines the whole point of the
enterprise. Running a marathon as fast as you can is the point;
if finishing the distance as fast as possible was the goal, you
could just drive a car.
All of this is a way of saying something we don’t say as often
as we should: humans are good enough. We don’t require
improvement. We can solve the challenges we face, as humans. It
may take us longer than if we can employ some “new form of
intelligence,” but slow and steady is the whole point of the
race. Unless, of course, you’re trying to make money, in which
case “first-mover advantage” is the point. But that’s only
useful for a tiny group of shareholders, not for the rest of us.
Allowing that we’re already good enough—indeed that our
limitations are intrinsic to us, define us, and make us
human—should guide us towards trying to shut down this
technology before it does deep damage. A letter began
circulating today, signed by dozens of AI professors and
futurist thinkers like Yuval Harari: It calls on “all AI labs to
immediately pause for at least six months the training of AI
systems more powerful than GPT-4.” Some have challenged the
motives of the signatories, and the fact that Elon Musk is
backing it should either give you pause or remind you of an
adage about stopped clocks. But slowing down all this work, by
whatever peaceful means we can, seems sane to me. GPT-4 is in a
remarkable rush: Friedman exults about how it produces mediocre
poetry in a flash, and then translates it into Mandarin in
another flash (mediocre Mandarin would be my guess). But what’s
the hurry? We’re not short of good poetry—we’ve got far more of
it than people read already, in any language.
And here’s the thing: pausing, slowing down, stopping calls on
the one human gift shared by no other creature, and perhaps by
no machine. We are the animal that can, if we want to, decide
not to do something we’re capable of doing. In individual terms,
that ability forms the core of our ethical and religious
systems; in societal terms it’s been crucial as technology has
developed over the last century. We’ve, so far, reined in
nuclear and biological weapons, designer babies, and a few other
maximally dangerous new inventions. It’s time to say do it
again, and fast—faster than the next iteration of this tech.
We’re good at building things, but so are beavers and bees.
Human beings are fascinating precisely because we can also not
build things. It may be our highest calling.
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AGelbert COMMENT: The problem with AI has absolutely nothing to
do with AI and everything to do with the ideology of the
programmers that write the iterative algorithms within the AI.
AI is actually a misnomer, because AI never has, and never will,
be a form of "thinking". AI has always been a way to boost the
speed of machine decision(s) on what to do when a given cascade
of electronic inputs from sensors flags a need for some sort of
action, or when there is a need to plow through some gigantic
data base to gather stats on some kind of data.
Because of the 'greed is good' based assumption that, as long as
pecuniary gain is the result of AI software decisions,
regardless of whether they result in biosphere degradation, the
"Intelligence" attributed to AI is also a misnomer. In a reality
based world, ANY decision to profit over planet cannot, by any
stretch of the Social Darwinist wishful thinking imagination, be
considered "intelligent".
AI will ALWAYS reflect the ideology of the programmers that
wrote the iterative algorithms. IF said ideology is the morally
bankrupt, profit over people and planet, Social Darwinist
Ideology, then AI will put this
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/>evil on steroids because AI just does, whatever it does,
faster.
IF, on the other hand, the ideology of the programmers is
"Depart From Evil (i.e. DO NO direct or indirect HARM!), Do
Good, Seek Peace, AND Pursue It", AI will actually help
humanity. And YES, you CAN have an ETHICS BASED BUSINESS that is
PROFITABLE. In a reality based, irrefutable biosphere math
world, that would be the ONLY type of business model that is not
subject ot criminal prosecution. Unfortunately for us, too many
members in good standing of TPTB are Social Darwinists. Like
Neo-Darwinists, NONE OF THEM are reality based.
New Peer-Reviewed Paper Challenges Neo-Darwinism
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Finally, let me warn all those people out there that are
bombarded with all this hype about AI doing "all these great
things for us". AI is a TOOL. TPTB are NOT interested in using
that TOOL to make the world a "better, safer and healthier
place", no matter what they claim. The proof of that is that you
have NEVER HEARD ONE WORD about using AI to run the Courts! Now
why do you suppose they don't want AI in there? Isn't it
"faster"? Isn't it "good"? Isn't it "smart"? Isn't it "ethical"?
If AI is such a "big benefit to society", why isn't it used to
make our Criminal "Justice" System REALLY JUST?
I'm glad you ;) asked. AI is not allowed in the Courts because
AI is CONSISTENT in whatever, good or evil, it does.
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/> [glow=green,2,300]THINK[/glow], people!
#Post#: 975--------------------------------------------------
Who is to blame for climate change? Who caused global warming?
Why was John Sununu so important?
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: April 1, 2023, 4:08 pm
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[center]Global [glow=red,2,300]Warming[/glow]: The
[glow=red,2,300]😈🐘🦕🦖🐍
Decade[/glow] [glow=teal,2,300]We[/glow] [glow=red,2,300]Lost
[/glow]Earth
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This video essay in the style of Jon Bois and BobbyBroccoli is
about the history of climate change, and how John Sununu is the
villain of the story, preventing a binding agreement on carbon
emissions at the Noordwijk conference of 1989. Who is to blame
for climate change? Who caused global warming? Why was John
Sununu so important? These questions and more are answered in
this video about the history of science and global warming.
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AMOC DECAY - The Collapse Of The Gulf Stream — An Epitaph For A
Dying Planet
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: July 28, 2023, 3:42 pm
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CleanTechnica
July 27, 2023 by Steve Hanley
[center]The Collapse Of The Gulf Stream — An Epitaph For A
🥵 [glow=maroon,2,300]Dying[/glow] Planet[/center]
[move]The most recent study says the Gulf Stream may shut down
as early as 2025, with [glow=red,2,300]devastating climate
effects[/glow] for the entire world.
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SNIPPET:
What happens when the Gulf Stream collapses? According to The
Guardian, it will severely disrupt the rains that billions of
people depend on for food in India, South America, and West
Africa. It will increase storms and lower temperatures in
Europe. It will lead to rising sea levels on the east coast of
North America
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/>and further endanger both the Amazon rain forest and Antarctic
ice sheets. “I think we should be very worried,” says Peter
Ditlevsen. “This would be a very, very large change. The AMOC
has not been shut off for 12,000 years.”
The Gulf Stream collapsed and restarted repeatedly during the
ice ages that occurred from 115,000 to 12,000 years ago. It is
one of the climate tipping points scientists are most concerned
about as global temperatures continue to rise.
The new study, published July 25 in the journal Nature
Communications, used sea surface temperature data stretching
back to 1870 as a proxy for the change in strength of the Gulf
Stream over time. They compared the date to the path seen in
systems that are approaching a particular type of crossover
point called a “saddle-node bifurcation.” We would call it a
“tipping point.”
The data fit that model “surprisingly well,” Ditlevsen said.
Full article:
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/>AGelbert COMMENT (there are more at the article comments
area):
This article should be
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/>SHOUTED FROM THE ROOFTOPS!
But 😞, the Hydrocarbon Hellspawn and their bought and
paid for morally bankrupt lackeys in government, the media AND
Wall Street will, as Steve Hanley asserts, pretend AMOC decay to
nothing is ... (see below):
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Readings for reality based people:
--- Quote ---
> "When a mystery is complicated, the French tell us to look for
a woman; but in sleuthing among corporations, we found it was
much better to look for the chief accountant." -- James Stewart
Martin -- ALL HONORABLE MEN
--- End Quote ---
[glow=red,2,300]Fascists[/glow], like termites, are able
organizers, and thoroughly attached to their
[glow=red,2,300]way[/glow] of life. -- ALL HONORABLE MEN by
James Stewart Martin
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--- Quote ---
> "The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by
🦕🦖 😈 evil men." - Plato
--- End Quote ---
To say that Fossil Fuel Industry 🦕🦖 😈
disinformation isn’t the whole story is to knock down a straw
man: the fact remains that it is a major--and perhaps the most
important--part of the story.
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"We do not need a 'new' business model for energy because we
never had one. What we need, if we wish to avoid extinction, is
to plug the environmental and equity costs of energy production
and use into our planning and thinking. " -- A.G. Gelbert
What it Means to be Responsible - Reflections on Our
Responsibility for the Future[i] by Theresa Morris, State
University of New York at New Paltz[/I]
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--- Quote ---
> There is a sacredness in tears. They are not the mark of
weakness, but of power. They speak more eloquently than ten
thousand tongues. They are the messengers of overwhelming grief,
of deep contrition, and of unspeakable love. Washington Irving
--- End Quote ---
How to Survive When, NOT IF, [glow=red,2,300]Catastrophic
Climate Change Makes Earth's Climate Unsuitable[/glow] For
Humans
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NOTE: THIS is what the Hydrocarbon Hellspawn will soon be
pushing (see graphic below). You are warned: A Space Mirror will
NOT work. WHY? Because, as the credentialed scientists that have
studied this in detail point out, reducing the amount of
incoming solar radiation (i.e. insolation) will not be able to
counteract the [glow=orange,2,300]runaway greenhouse
effect[/glow] from [glow=red,2,300]too much[/glow] CO2, CH4 AND
H2O in vapor form.
So, when you hear, about 5 or six years from now, what a "great
solution" to Catastrophic Global Heating a Space Mirror costing
100's of trillions 😵 of global economy crushing dollars
is from our "😇 loyal servants" in the 😈
Hydrocarbon fuels "industry", don't fall for that
📢[glow=red,2,300] LIE[/glow].
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The following is NOT optional if TPTB REPENT of their suicidally
stupid and greedy ways and EMBRACE reality based Climate
Remediaton and Repair:
Economist Steve Keen: "We need a World War Two mentality to
deal with the real breakdown of nature."
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More Climate Updates based on Dr. Peter Carter’s Slides
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: August 1, 2023, 12:42 pm
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[center]More Climate Updates based on
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/>Dr. Peter Carter’s Slides
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Paul Beckwith
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Title speaks for itself. Lots of climate updates, reads like a
Stephen King horror novel, but it’s [glow=red,2,300]real[/glow],
and [glow=maroon,2,300]happening[/glow] on a planet near you.
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to support my research
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For every tenth of a degree Celsius Temperature
🌡️ INCREASE, 140 million MORE humans EXIT the
“Human Climate Niche".
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: August 5, 2023, 4:25 pm
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The Crucial Years
This newsletter goes out free to everyone, thanks to the
generosity of those who can afford the pay the modest and
voluntary subscription fee. I fear they get nothing extra in
return, save my heartfelt thanks.
August 5, 2023 by [glow=green,2,300]Bill McKibben[/glow]
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[center]In a 😬 terrifying summer, a search for
safety[/center]
SNIPPET:
I’ve given a lot of talks about climate change over the
years—that’s part of what organizers do. And I can predict with
great confidence the questions that people will raise their
hands to ask. “Isn’t the real problem overpopulation?” (Not
really; most population growth is coming in places that use
incredibly small amounts of energy). Or “what about nuclear?”
(keep the plants we’ve got open if we safely can; new ones are
incredibly slow and expensive to build, though someday a
generation of yet newer ones could conceivably change that; in
the meantime rely on the nuclear reactor hanging a safe 93
million miles up in the sky).
I can also predict the questions people will ask later,
privately, as the crowd drifts out of the auditorium. One—”is it
okay for me to have a kid?”—is almost unbearably painful; no one
should have to ask it. The other—”where should I move”
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/>a (little) less traumatized. And I think it’s on a lot of
minds,
especially right now, as it becomes clear that many parts of our
earth won’t be habitable going forward. As I tried to explain in
a recent book, global heating is systematically shrinking the
size of the board on which humans can play the game of life.
On the one hand, the question implies a certain self-centered
approach to the climate crisis—how do I avoid this huge communal
disaster—as well as a certain quanta of 💵 privilege:
most people in this world, especially the ones who really need a
new home, lack the resources or the legal ability to pick up and
move. Still, we each get one life and we need to live it
somewhere.
It’s easier, actually, to figure out where not to live. Phoenix
may be the fastest-growing big city in the country, but anyone
who moves there after this summer is not paying attention:
[glow=red,2,300]31 straight days over 110 Fahrenheit[/glow], and
emergency rooms filled with people who burned themselves
by…
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/>falling on the sidewalk. But it’s not just obvious places,
like
the middle of the desert. Last week, at four thousand feet in
the Andes the temperature topped 95 degrees—in winter. (Weather
historian Maximiliano Herrera described it as “one of the
extreme events the world has ever seen”). Or take Athens is one
of those places we like to call a cradle of western
civilization, but two years ago the city’s “chief heat officer”
was already warning it might be becoming uninhabitable; last
month, during the longest heatwave in the city’s history,
authorities closed the Acropolis to tourists in the afternoons.
Even in places used to dealing with extremes, life is getting
harder; India’s monsoon, for instance, is ever more “violent and
unpredictable.” In Himachal Pradesh, for instance, “the state
has already received 1,200 percent more than its annual
rainfall, according to data from the India Meteorological
Department. Landslides and floods have claimed nearly 100
lives.” I could muster these kinds of statistics for virtually
any place you want to name: a recent study found that every time
the temperature rises another tenth of a degree Celsius, another
140 million humans find themselves living
[glow=red,2,300]outside[/glow] what scientists call the
“[glow=teal,2,300]human climate niche[/glow],” the zone with
temperatures where our species
[glow=green,2,300]flourishes[/glow].
But as this summer—with the increase in global temperature at
least temporarily topping the 1.5 degrees Celsius that the world
swore to avoid in Paris—demonstrates, no place is really safe,
even within those supposedly habitable zones.
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[i]AGelbert COMMENT:[/i]
Without a massive rejection of the "greed is good" Social
Darwinist ideology that permeates TPTB, all the progress in
neighborliness in Vermont, or anywhere else on this planet, will
not amount to a hill of beans on behalf of the survival of our
species. WHY? Because the morbidly rich, who are over 80% (or
more) responsible for this runaway Catastrophic Climate Change,
will continue to ignore absolutely everything you and all the
scientists of good will, who have warned us for over 40 years
that we need to change our biosphere degrading, suicidal
stupidity, say BECAUSE those morbidly rich
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/>greedballs REALLY believe they can "survive" while over 90% of
our species ☠️ perishes.
I did not write the following for the benefit of the elite
greedball corporate polluters, mostly responsible for trashing
our biospshere and dooming most of us, but I am certain many of
them see it as a "solution":
How to Survive When, NOT IF, Catastrophic Climate Change Makes
Earth's Climate Unsuitable For Humans
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I agree with you that no place is really safe, but you will
never convince the rich of that. They were totally invested in
the Thatcher and Reagan egocentric stupidity long before
Thatcher and Reagan, and the other neoliberal legerdemain water
carriers (SEE:
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/>Milton Friedman) corrupted our government(s) with that morally
bankrupt ideology. That said, I continue to be grateful to you
for your efforts in warning anyone who can add and subtract
objectively in biosphere math of how dire our situation is. Only
people with a functioning moral compass will listen.
Unfortunately, that excludes most people in the top 1% and
politics. It's the Social Darwinism.
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August 2, 2023 Shocking satellite images shows melting Greenland
ice
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Prudent, responsible people of good will living in remote self
sustaining Renewable Energy powered island chain communit
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: March 31, 2024, 5:03 pm
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AGelbert muse: If the current insane push to
[glow=maroon,2,300]NUCLEAR WAR[/glow]
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/>against China (AND Russia) is not stopped VERY, VERY SOON, the
prudent, responsible people of good will living in remote self
sustaining Renewable Energy powered island chain communities
like the Faroe Islands will be the last humans on Earth. They
will be forced to undergo the 😖 ravages of radiation
sickness ☠️ [glow=red,2,300]killing[/glow]
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[glow=maroon,2,300]Thermonuclear holocaust[/glow] perpetrated by
the [glow=red,2,300]Social Darwinist CRAZIES in the USA[/glow]
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