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       Senate Foreign Relations 🦖🐍🦍🐉
       Committee threatens to bring the world much closer to a Horrific
       War
   DIR By: AGelbert
       Date: September 22, 2022, 2:46 pm
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       alteng
       Twitter avatar for @DecampDave Dave DeCamp @DecampDave
       The White House says official US policy hasn't changed on
       Taiwan, but it doesn't matter. Biden's made clear this is his
       policy, and whether he would follow through or not, that's the
       message that's been conveyed to China. This isn't dementia, it's
       deliberate.
       Greg Price @greg_price11
       60 Minutes: "Would U.S. forces defend Taiwan if invaded by
       China?"
       Biden: "Yes"
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       White House then had to clarify policy on Taiwan hasn't changed.
       September 19th 2022
       I don't know why the US president keeps verbally committing his
       armed forces to a third world war against a nuclear-armed nation
       only to have it walked back over and over again by the
       administration he's supposed to be in charge of. Is this just
       some neurological glitch in an aging brain which promoted war
       and militarism throughout its entire time in office? Is it some
       weird new tactic in "strategic ambiguity" to have different
       parts of the administration saying completely different things
       in totally unambiguous ways? Is Biden just a crazy warmonger? I
       don't know. But what I do know is that all this chaos and
       confusion is happening at the worst possible time.
       As Brett Wilkins explains for Common Dreams, a new bill from the
       US Senate Foreign Relations 🦖🐍🦍🐉
       Committee threatens to bring the world much closer to a horrific
       war due to the way it would upend existing US policy on China
       with its recognition of Taiwan as a major "non-NATO ally" as
       part of a commitment to send billions of dollars worth of
       weapons to the island.
       Fears of what this could unleash upon our world have caused even
       fairly reliable empire facilitators like Ed Markey to vote
       against the bill, which Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson
       Mao Ning says would "greatly shake the political foundation of
       China-US relations and cause extremely serious consequences to
       China-US relations and peace and stability across the Taiwan
       Strait."
       This is just one of the ways that tensions with China are being
       ramped up with astonishing speed over Taiwan, among them also
       the normalization of sending an increasingly high number of US
       officials to Taipei in steadily rising contempt for Washington's
       One China policy which has kept the peace along this flashpoint
       for decades.
       This Taiwan situation is getting uglier and uglier, much faster
       than many expected, and the president of the world's mightiest
       war machine is either two stupid, too bloodthirsty, too careless
       or too demented to navigate this situation with the sensitivity
       it deserves. Things never should have been allowed to get this
       far, and the US empire is showing us every indication that it
       intends to take things much, much further.
       dmorista Mod > alteng
       This is a truly dangerous situation. The U.S. has been seriously
       weakened by 40+ years of deindustrialization, internal strife
       and divisions, and over 20 years of the ruinous GWOT wars.
       Meanwhile China has emerged as the largest industrial power on
       the planet, a position held by the U.S. for 100 years.
       Taiwan is in a much more advantageous location for China to
       exercise power, than it is for the U.S. military to “defend”.
       The Pentagon has conducted several exercises simulating the
       likely outcome of a serious clash with China, and the Chinese
       win every time. Clever diplomacy would extend the status quo for
       another decade or so. During that time Taiwan could continue to
       supply medium to high-end computer chips to the world, including
       both the U.S. and China. A knock down drag out war over Taiwan
       would be a disaster for the entire world.
       AGelbert > dmorista
       --- Quote ---
       >
       > "A knock down drag out war over Taiwan would be a disaster for
       the entire world."
       --- End Quote ---
       True. The problem we Americans have right now with our Fascists
       'R' US government poobahs is that they have lost all semblance
       of sane and prudent diplomacy in their delusional Capitalist
       Social Darwinist ideology inspired rampaging quest for 🦍
       "Full Spectrum Dominance".
       I'm no expert on China, but the survival math is on their side
       if this insanity goes nuclear. Also, China doesn't appear to be
       in any mood whatsoever to submit to any more pushng around
       humilation. I suspect they have extensive underground air
       filtered (well stocked for years of food and water) facilities
       for TPTB in China already. They could lose 90% of their
       [b]population[/b]
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       />and STILL have over 145 MILLION people to "inherit" the Earth
       with.
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       That said, I agree with you that any "win" of a nuclear war is a
       phyrric victory. &#129318;&#8205;&#9794;&#65039;
       Read more:
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       Sunday, September 18, 2022 Considering the 9-11 Events Twenty
       One Years Later by dmorista
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       &#128127; &quot;Logic is an Enemy and Truth is a Menace.&quot;
   DIR By: AGelbert
       Date: September 22, 2022, 3:22 pm
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       September 21, 2022
       dmorista Mod
       The events that took place 21 years ago in New York City,
       Virginia, and Pennsylvania have taken a contested place in U.S.
       history. They joined an ever growing list of mysterious and
       unexplained events that have taken place and that play some
       role, along with more blatant and obvious actions, in the
       implementation of the Ruling Class agenda in the U.S. and on the
       world in general. Every year on the 11th of September, The
       Corporate Controlled Media dutifully presents the official
       story, with somber reading of lists of victims and other
       ceremonies, acting as if there is no reasonable doubt as to its
       veracity.
       I personally do not believe the official story, and in response
       to the standard observances at the Pentagon and at Ground Zero,
       I wanted to just point out a couple of the more glaring
       inconsistencies with the official explanation, specifically the
       building 7 situation. I agree with Collectivist Action's
       statement below, that this set of comments seem to have run out
       of much to say. But, even just once a year we need to take a
       look at the most outrageous and spectacular terrorism stunt in
       human history.
       Sunday, September 18, 2022 Considering the 9-11 Events Twenty
       One Years Later by dmorista
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       AGelbert > dmorista Mod
       Well said. The reason 9/11 took place is not hard to figure out
       for those who know American History:
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       "This is not a new world. It is simply an extension of what is
       the old one. It has refinements, technological advances and a
       more sophisticated approach to the &#128520;
       [color=red]destruction of human freedom, but like every one of
       super states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: Logic is an
       Enemy and Truth is a Menace." -- Rod Serling
       "Any state, any entity, an ideology that fails to recognize the
       worth, the dignity, the rights of man, that state is obsolete."
       -- Rod Serling
       [move]Rod Serling Twilight Zone predicts the
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       How the war machine took over the Democrats
   DIR By: AGelbert
       Date: December 19, 2022, 5:15 pm
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       [center]How the war machine took over the Democrats w/ Dennis
       Kucinicht[/center]
       [center]
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       AGelbert COMMENT: The interview is 100% accurate except for what
       Chris said about Vermont. The Vermont Air National Guard has
       F35's because BOTH Sanders and Leahy, to their shame, supported
       replacing the F16's with the ridiculously expensive F35.
       However, the F35 is not made in Vermont.
       [center]
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       The "&#129421; Thought Structure" that is ruining everything
       good about our country right now is the morally bankrupt
       Ideology , worshipped by Wall Street, known as &#129421; Social
       Darwinism.
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       />It's the Social Darwinism
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       />stupid!
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       Save Sinjajevina’s Nature and Local Communities!
   DIR By: AGelbert
       Date: January 7, 2023, 1:14 pm
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       Janaury 7, 2022
       [center]Save Sinjajevina’s Nature and Local
       Communities![/center]
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       This is a campaign to protect a beautiful inhabited mountain in
       Montenegro from being turned into a military base. The people of
       Montenegro, led by the Save Sinjajevina campaign, have done
       everything people can do to prevent atrocities in so-called
       democracies:
       They’ve won over public opinion.
       They’ve elected officials promising to protect their mountains.
       They’ve lobbied, organized public protests, and made themselves
       into human shields.
       They show no signs of planning to give up, much less to believe
       the UK’s official position that this mountain destruction is
       environmentalism, while NATO is threatening to use Sinjajevina
       for war training in May 2023!
       The people resisting this, and having already achieved heroic
       victories, need — now more than ever — financial and other
       support to transport supplies, to train and organize unarmed
       nonviolent resisters, and to visit Brussels and Washington to
       try to save their mountains.
       The people who can save Sinjajevina cannot take their demand to
       Washington or Brussels without your help!
       To learn more, make a donation, sign the petition, and get
       involved click here
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       #Post#: 818--------------------------------------------------
       &quot;There are 28 countries transferring weapons to
       Ukraine.&quot; &#129318;&#8205;&#9794;&#65039;
   DIR By: AGelbert
       Date: January 31, 2023, 12:36 pm
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       Jan 30, 2023, 6:49 PM
       [left]&#128266; "Ukraine: The War That Went Wrong"[/left]
       [move][url=
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       />why all this infusion of high-tech weaponry? We can sum it up
       in
       one word: [glow=red,2,300]panic[/glow].
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       [move]"As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying, so
       the curse causeless shall not come." Proverbs 26:2[/move]
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       &#127913;&#129421;&#128127; Establishment Media &amp; Russia
       with Aaron Maté &#128367;&#65039;
   DIR By: AGelbert
       Date: March 16, 2023, 4:07 pm
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       [center]Economic Update:
       &#127913;&#129421;&#128127;[glow=red,2,300] Establishment
       Media[/glow] & Russia with [glow=green,2,300]&#128509; Aaron
       Maté[/glow] &#128367;&#65039;[/center]
       [center]
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       &quot;They served the centers of power and were rewarded for
       it.&quot;
   DIR By: AGelbert
       Date: March 19, 2023, 8:09 pm
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       [move]Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into
       hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them. --
       Psalm 55:15[/move]
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       March 19, 2023 By [glow=bluen,2,300]Chris Hedges[/glow]
       [center][glow=red,2,300]The
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       />Lords of Chaos[/glow][/center]
       [center]
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       SNIPPETS:
       The rising influence of China creates a self-fulfilling prophecy
       for those who call for war with Russia and China, one that will
       have consequences far more [glow=red,2,300]catastrophic[/glow]
       than [glow=maroon,2,300]those[/glow] in the Middle East. ... ...
       A national [glow=blue,2,300]reckoning[/glow]
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       />
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       />
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       />with the military &#128169; fiascos in the Middle East would
       expose the self-delusion of the ruling class.
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       But this[glow=blue,2,300] reckoning[/glow] is not taking place
       &#128163; . We are trying to wish the nightmares we perpetuated
       in the Middle East away, burying them in a
       &#128053;&#128586;&#128585;&#128584; collective amnesia.
       “[glow=red,2,300]World War III[/glow] &#128165; Begins With
       Forgetting,” warns Stephen Wertheim.
       Read more: &#128556;
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       How Israel and Its Right-Wing Allies Weaponized Anti-Semitism to
       Discredit Jeremy Corbyn
   DIR By: AGelbert
       Date: July 8, 2023, 5:52 pm
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       JUL7 6, 2023
       [center]The Chris Hedges Report Podcast with Asa Winstanley on
       How Israel and Its Right-Wing Allies Weaponize Anti-Semitism to
       Discredit Left-Wing Politicians such as [glow=green,2,300]Jeremy
       Corbyn[/glow].[/center]
       [move]To criticize the apartheid state of Israel and defend the
       rights of Palestinians means being viciously attacked in
       orchestrated smear campaigns as an anti-Semite, even if you are
       Jewish.[/move]
       When the[glow=blue,2,300] socialist Jeremy Corbyn
       &#128330;&#65039;[/glow] became the leader of the Labour Party
       in Britain in 2015 and mounted a grassroots campaign in 2017 to
       become the British Prime Minister the ruling corporate elites,
       along with the war industry, panicked. They conspired with the
       Israel lobby to mount a vicious campaign of character
       assassination against Corbyn and his supporters, accusing them,
       even if they were Jewish, of anti-Semitism. Corbyn has been a
       long-time champion of Palestinian rights. The media did its part
       to crucify Corbyn as a bigot while Labour party officials
       ruthlessly purged the party of Corbyn supporters. Corbyn was
       eventually driven out of the party in 2020 after the snap
       election loss against Boris Johnson. The neutralization of
       Corbyn is an ominous precedent. The purging of Corbyn and his
       supporters effectively emasculated the left within the Labour
       Party. This was its goal. The unholy alliance between Israel,
       the war industry and the corporatists raise the question of
       whether it is possible in Britain or the United States to reform
       the system from within. Joining me to discuss these issues is
       Asa Winstanley an associate editor and reporter with the website
       Electronic Intifada and the author of “Weaponizing
       Anti-Semitism: How the Israel Lobby Brought Down Jeremy Corbyn.”
       [center]&#128266; 30M The Chris Hedges Report Podcast with Asa
       Winstanley
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       Palestinians Speak the Language of Violence Israel Taught Them
   DIR By: AGelbert
       Date: October 9, 2023, 1:09 pm
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       OCT 8, 2023 [glow=teal,2,300]CHRIS HEDGES[/glow]
       [center]
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       [center]Out of Sight, Out of Mind - by Mr. Fish[/center]
       [center]Palestinians Speak the [glow=red,2,300]Language of
       Violence[/glow] Israel [glow=red,2,300]Taught[/glow]
       Them[/center]
       The indiscriminate shootings of Israelis by Hamas and other
       Palestinian resistance organizations, the kidnapping of
       civilians, the barrage of rockets into Israel, drone attacks on
       a variety of targets from tanks to automated machine gun nests,
       are the familiar language of the Israeli occupier. Israel has
       spoken this blood-soaked language of violence to the
       Palestinians since Zionist militias seized more than 78 percent
       of historic Palestine, destroyed some 530 Palestinian villages
       and cities and killed about 15,000 Palestinians in more than 70
       massacres. Some 750,000 Palestinians were ethnically cleansed
       between 1947 and 1949 to create the state of Israel in 1948.
       Israel’s response to these armed incursions will be a genocidal
       assault on Gaza. Israel will kill dozens of Palestinians for
       every Israeli killed. Hundreds of Palestinians have already died
       in Israel air assaults since the launch of “Operation Al-Aqsa
       Flood” on Saturday morning, which left 700 Israelis dead.
       Prime Minister &#128127;[glow=red,2,300] Netanyahu[/glow] warned
       Palestinians in Gaza on Sunday to “leave now,” because Israel is
       going to “turn all Hamas hiding places into rubble.”
       But where are Palestinians in Gaza supposed to go? Israel and
       Egypt blockade the land borders. There is no exit by air or sea,
       which are controlled by Israel.
       The collective retribution against innocents is a familiar
       tactic employed by colonial rulers. We used it against Native
       Americans and later in the Philippines and Vietnam. The Germans
       used it against the Herero and Namaqua in Namibia. The British
       in Kenya and Malaya. The Nazis used it in the areas they
       occupied in the Soviet Union, Eastern and Central Europe. Israel
       follows the same playbook. Death for death. Atrocity for
       atrocity. But it is always the occupier who initiates this
       macabre dance and trades piles of corpses for higher piles of
       corpses.
       This is not to defend the war crimes by either side. It is not
       to rejoice in the attacks. I have seen enough violence in the
       Israeli occupied territories, where I covered the conflict for
       seven years, to loathe violence. But this is the familiar
       denouement to all settler-colonial  projects. Regimes implanted
       and maintained by violence engender violence. The Haitian war of
       liberation. The Mau Mau in Kenya. The African National Congress
       in South Africa. These uprisings do not always succeed, but they
       follow familiar patterns. The Palestinians, like all colonized
       people, have a right to armed resistance under international
       law.
       Israel never had any interest in an equitable settlement with
       the Palestinians. It built an apartheid state and has steadily
       absorbed larger and larger tracts of Palestinian land in a slow
       motion campaign of ethnic cleansing. It turned Gaza in 2007 into
       the world’s largest open air prison.
       What does Israel, or the world community, expect? How can you
       trap 2.3 million people in Gaza, half of whom are unemployed, in
       one of the most densely populated spots on the planet for 16
       years, reduce the lives of its residents, half of whom are
       children, to a subsistence level, deprive them of basic medical
       supplies, food, water and electricity, use attack aircraft,
       artillery, mechanized units, missiles, naval guns and infantry
       units to randomly slaughter unarmed civilians and not expect a
       violent response? Israel is currently carrying out waves of
       aerial assaults on Gaza, preparing a ground invasion and has cut
       the power to Gaza, which usually only operates two to four hours
       per day.
       Many of the resistance fighters who infiltrated into Israel
       undoubtedly knew they would be killed. But like resistance
       fighters in other wars of liberation they decided that if they
       could not choose how they would live, they would choose how they
       would die.
       I was a close friend of Alina Margolis-Edelman who was part of
       the armed resistance in the Warsaw Ghetto uprising in World War
       II. Her husband, [glow=blue,2,300]Marek Edelman[/glow], was the
       deputy commander of the uprising and the only leader to survive
       the war. The Nazis had sealed 400,000 Polish Jews inside the
       Warsaw Ghetto. The trapped Jews died in the thousands, from
       starvation, disease and indiscriminate violence. When the Nazis
       began to transport the remaining Jews to the extermination camps
       the resistance fighters fought back. None expected to survive.
       [glow=blue,2,300]Edelman[/glow], after the war, condemned
       Zionism as a racist ideology used to justify the theft of
       Palestinian land. He sided with the Palestinians, supported
       their armed resistance and met frequently with Palestinians
       leaders. He thundered against Israel’s appropriation of the
       Holocaust to justify its repression of the Palestinian people.
       While Israel dined out on the mythology of the ghetto uprising,
       it treated the only surviving leader of the uprising, who
       refused to leave Poland, as a pariah.
       [glow=blue,2,300]Edelman[/glow] understood that the lesson of
       the Holocaust and the ghetto uprising was not that Jews are
       morally superior or eternal victims. History,
       [glow=blue,2,300]Edelman[/glow] said, belongs to everyone. The
       oppressed, including the Palestinians, had a right to fight for
       equality, dignity and liberty.
       “To be a Jew means always being with the oppressed and never the
       oppressors,” [glow=blue,2,300]Edelman[/glow] said.
       The Warsaw uprising has long inspired the Palestinians.
       Representatives of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO)
       used to lay a wreath at the annual commemoration of the uprising
       in Poland at the Warsaw Ghetto monument.
       The more [glow=maroon,2,300]violence[/glow] the colonizer
       expends to subdue the occupied, the more it
       [glow=maroon,2,300]transforms itself into a monster[/glow]. The
       current government of Israel is populated by Jewish extremists,
       fanatic Zionists and religious bigots who are dismantling
       Israeli democracy and calling for the wholesale expulsion or
       murder of Palestinians, including those who live inside Israel.
       The Israeli philosopher [glow=blue,2,300]Yeshayahu
       Leibowitz[/glow], whom Isiah Berlin called “the conscience of
       Israel,” warned that if Israel did not separate church and state
       it would give rise to a corrupt rabbinate that would warp
       Judaism into a fascistic cult.
       “[glow=red,2,300]Religious nationalism[/glow] is to
       [glow=blue,2,300]religion[/glow] what [glow=red,2,300]National
       Socialism[/glow] was to socialism,” said Leibowitz, who died in
       1994.
       He understood that the blind veneration of the military,
       especially after the 1967 war that captured Egypt's Sinai, Gaza,
       the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) and Syria's Golan
       Heights, was dangerous and would lead to the ultimate
       destruction of Israel, along with any hope of democracy.
       “Our situation will deteriorate to that of a second Vietnam, to
       a war in constant escalation without prospect of ultimate
       resolution,” he warned.
       He foresaw that “the Arabs would be the working people and the
       Jews the administrators, inspectors, officials, and police —
       mainly secret police. A state ruling a hostile population of 1.5
       million to 2 million foreigners would necessarily become a
       secret-police state, with all that this implies for education,
       free speech and democratic institutions. The corruption
       characteristic of every colonial regime would also prevail in
       the State of Israel. The administration would have to suppress
       Arab insurgency on the one hand and acquire Arab Quislings on
       the other. There is also good reason to fear that the Israel
       Defense Force, which has been until now a people’s army, would,
       as a result of being transformed into an army of occupation,
       degenerate, and its commanders, who will have become military
       governors, resemble their colleagues in other nations.”
       He saw that prolonged occupation of the Palestinians would
       inevitably spawn “concentration camps.”
       “Israel,” he said, “would not deserve to exist, and it will not
       be worthwhile to preserve it.”
       The next stage of this struggle will be a massive campaign of
       industrial slaughter in Gaza by Israel, which has already begun.
       Israel is convinced greater levels of violence will finally
       crush Palestinian aspirations. Israel is mistaken. The terror
       Israel inflicts is the terror it will get.
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       I understand totally why this finally happened. Now that it has,
       there are lots of questions:
       1. This looks at first blush like a failure of Israeli
       Intelligence. Was it really? Or was the idea hatched to let it
       happen, in order to accomplish the genocide that Netenyahu has
       clearly threatened and, as Chris has stated, has already begun?
       2. Of course, the US would have to sign onto the genocidal
       response, which the Zionist/ US propaganda machine has,
       basically, already done. The ahistorical and ludicrous
       ‘unprovoked’ meme has been relentlessly used in every response I
       have seen come out of our inverse-totalitarian blob. So fast,
       one has to wonder about the possibility of prior knowledge of
       the ‘sneak’ attack amongst our elites, which would have had to
       have come from Israeli intelligence.
       3. Making no assumption about whether this attack was truly a
       surprise to Israeli authorities, once the ‘shock and awe’ part
       of the operation was complete, what is Hamas’ strategy going
       forward? It may have expected a revolt to organically occur in
       the West Bank. If that has happened in a major way, I haven’t
       heard about it. West Bank Palestinians have a far more difficult
       position given the chopped-up nature of the places in which they
       now live, and their subjugation not only by Israel, but also the
       Palestinian Authority, which long since has been an Israeli
       cat’s paw. If Hamas counted on this, it was overly optimistic
       4. Was it counting on Syria, Lebanon or Hezbollah joining in?
       Syria and Lebanon are so weak they cannot even defend themselves
       from Israeli depradations, made possible, of course, by the
       power and might of the US Empire. Will Hezbollah do something?
       So far, it is hanging back.
       5.
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       difficult time doing anything except showering Israel with
       missiles, which seems very unlikely UNLESS Israel proceeds with
       its genocide, as announced by [glow=red,2,300]&#128520;
       Netenyahu[/glow]. Was that the idea behind the Hamas sneak
       attack? Or is it the [glow=red,2,300]desired result[/glow] of
       the Israeli response to an attack it knew was coming, in order
       that its [glow=red,2,300]long-desired[/glow] destruction and
       genocide of Iran, after such an intervention by Iran to prevent
       the Israeli genocide in Gaza, might finally proceed with US
       approval?
       6. Iran is now a Russian and Chinese ally. Do the denizens of
       the great court of the US Empire, which includes the denizens of
       Israel, suppose that Russia and, to a lesser extent, China,
       would not respond to these events in kind, or close enough to
       ‘in kind’ to take the situation well past the brink, given the
       almost certain US reaction to THEIR reactions?
       There is a theory out there that World War III has already
       begun. It just didn’t start with an omnicidal thermonuclear
       exchange, as many of us, including myself, thought it would
       begin. And end. As the great satirist Tom Lehrer expected, in an
       hour and a half. We are working up to it, slowly. Given that a
       permanent Cuban Missile Crisis has apparently been created just
       in the Ukraine-centered conflict alone, it seems to me those
       theorists are correct. World War III HAS begun. It is just a
       matter of time before the omnicidal thermonuclear exchange that
       will end it. The events that are the subject of Chris’ essay and
       the responses to it have, I am afraid, shortened that time
       considerably.
       [glow=blue,2,300]Andrew Thomas[/glow]
       Shortly after I posted this, Hezbollah issued a strong statement
       indicating that it was joining the battle. Meanwhile, Russia,
       which evidently has a strong relationship with the IDF, is
       leaning the other way. I stand, or sit, corrected. Except re:
       the the conclusion that we have all taken a significant step
       forward towards oblivion.
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