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#Post#: 38--------------------------------------------------
Why doesn't the USAT get out of the Pipeline business?
By: TheWatcher Date: May 29, 2014, 8:14 am
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Why doesn't the USAT get out of the business of trying to
develop a "pipeline" And just deal with holding team trials for
Jr Worlds and Cadets. Let them develop in the AAU or another
organization. Hold team trials for Cadet and Jr Pan Ams and
Worlds. The way the system works now, the USAT doesn't really
take an interest in an athlete until they get good on their own,
so let them do that. Yes I know, there are camps and siminars.
But the purpose is not to develop talent, it's mainly to
generate revenue. If the want to scout talent at some point, let
them go to the AAU or ATA nationals. It would be cheaper than
running an entire event. There should be no nationals, only an
open team trial.
#Post#: 41--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why doesn't the USAT get out of the Pipeline business?
By: tkd4ever Date: May 29, 2014, 3:52 pm
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:o Have you been to an AAU event lately? They are pathetic.
You won't find any talent there, because when the talented
compete at those events, they are so discouraged by pathetic
judging of poomsae and poor referees in sparring, that most
quit the sport completely. I am a referee in USAT but I
refereed an AAU event this spring. It was deplorable. Most
local tournaments are better run than the AAU.
#Post#: 42--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why doesn't the USAT get out of the Pipeline business?
By: Gorilla Date: May 29, 2014, 6:07 pm
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My son has been on the USAT Jr National Team and the AAU JR
National also the USA Karate National Team. My daughter has
been on the AAU National Team for 5 years. There is a lot of
talent in all 3 organizations.
These organizations bring good to the table if you look for it.
In 2013 the USAT Jr National Team won the Jr Pan Ams and in 2014
the AAU Jr National won the German open. So any unbiased
observer would say that both the USAT and the AAU have a lot of
talent and in most cases the same talent.
Tkd4ever some of the AAU qualifiers are not done very well but
the same can be said of the USAT state championships. The
Nationals of both organizations are very comparable. The team
trials are also very comparable but this year the AAU was
better, the USAT had a off team trials.
Overall the officiating at the a Nationals is better at the USAT
but not drastically. It really depends on the judging in any
particular ring forms or sparring.
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Re: Why doesn't the USAT get out of the Pipeline business?
By: Bagehot Date: May 30, 2014, 4:39 pm
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In order to be recognized as a National Governing Body, the
Amateur Sports Act requires each NGB to be quite proactive, not
just in selecting national teams, but for developing their sport
in the United States. It is a very broad mandate.
36 U.S. Code § 220524 - General duties of national governing
bodies
For the sport that it governs, a national governing body shall—
(1) develop interest and participation throughout the United
States and be responsible to the persons and amateur sports
organizations it represents;
(2) minimize, through coordination with other amateur sports
organizations, conflicts in the scheduling of all practices and
competitions;
(3) keep amateur athletes informed of policy matters and
reasonably reflect the views of the athletes in its policy
decisions;
(4) disseminate and distribute to amateur athletes, coaches,
trainers, managers, administrators, and officials in a timely
manner the applicable rules and any changes to such rules of the
national governing body, the corporation, the appropriate
international sports federation, the International Olympic
Committee, the International Paralympic Committee, and the
Pan-American Sports Organization;
(5) allow an amateur athlete to compete in any international
amateur athletic competition conducted by any amateur sports
organization or person, unless the national governing body
establishes that its denial is based on evidence that the
organization or person conducting the competition does not meet
the requirements stated in section 220525 of this title;
(6) provide equitable support and encouragement for
participation by women where separate programs for male and
female athletes are conducted on a national basis;
(7) encourage and support amateur athletic sports programs for
individuals with disabilities and the participation of
individuals with disabilities in amateur athletic activity,
including, where feasible, the expansion of opportunities for
meaningful participation by individuals with disabilities in
programs of athletic competition for able-bodied individuals;
(8) provide and coordinate technical information on physical
training, equipment design, coaching, and performance analysis;
and
(9) encourage and support research, development, and
dissemination of information in the areas of sports medicine and
sports safety.
In essence, that requires "pipelines."
-- Bagehot
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Re: Why doesn't the USAT get out of the Pipeline business?
By: Bagehot Date: May 30, 2014, 7:56 pm
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Another compelling reason for the USAT to engage fully as a
development organization relates to generating a critical mass
of revenue to be able to undertake its national function and
responsibility.
As part of the USAT's Governance Task Force Study of last year,
one key finding was that NGBs as a whole were financially
unstable if their revenues were less than $5 million per year,
and generally were stable (and successful) if their revenues
exceeded that amount. Nearly all of the NGBs that were forced to
reorganize over the past decade earned revenues under $5
million.
-- Bagehot
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Re: Why doesn't the USAT get out of the Pipeline business?
By: Gorilla Date: June 27, 2014, 6:00 am
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#2 is very interesting
#5 also very interesting
It would appear that based on my interpretation working with
other sports organization is encouraged. I would think the AAU
falls into that category?
#Post#: 169--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why doesn't the USAT get out of the Pipeline business?
By: TaekwondoDad Date: June 27, 2014, 9:49 am
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[quote author=Gorilla link=topic=15.msg168#msg168
date=1403866813]
#2 is very interesting
#5 also very interesting
It would appear that based on my interpretation working with
other sports organization is encouraged. I would think the AAU
falls into that category?
[/quote]
Bruce tried to give the USAT away to the Koreans. Bruce tried
to give the USAT away to the AAU. Bruce tried to coerce AAU
members over. Bruce is still trying to coerce the Koreans over.
The AAU is more interested in merging with the ATA than the
USAT.(but the ATA wants nothing to do with them ROFLMAO) The
merging or working with the AAU would do NOTHING to help the
USAT. It would merely be another fiefdom looking for its share
of the loot.
It is time to stop the pipe dreams about merging or cooperating
or coopting other groups to add membership and revenues. I have
been told that the current Board understands that all of Bruce's
plans and schemes aren't worth a bowl of kimchee and that they
realize the one thing that is needed to move forward and grow
the NGB is a proper business plan and a competent CEO to manage
it.
Run the organization properly. Treat the membership right.
Stop posting amateur mistakes on the website. Stop making
hiring decisions based on personal likes and dislikes. Stop
changing the rules after people have paid for events or
participated in trials. Stop running the NGB like Bruce
Harris's personal play toy and watch wonderful things happen.
#Post#: 171--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why doesn't the USAT get out of the Pipeline business?
By: Mad Dog Date: June 27, 2014, 11:14 am
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Doesn't USAT violate (2) every year by scheduling their
Nationals at the same time as AAU Nationals?
#Post#: 173--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why doesn't the USAT get out of the Pipeline business?
By: Gorilla Date: June 27, 2014, 9:33 pm
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Taekwondo dad gues you don't appreciate AAU. TO bad we have
fought in both organizations. Gained a lot of experience from
traveling on both National Teams. ATA has been sniffing around
Olympic Tkd for a while never heard they were talking with AAU.
Won't be in Florida next week can't fly yet will drive to San
Jose my son fights on Friday. Should be fun. Sorry you have
not had a good experience with the AAU.
WILL you be in San Jose?
#Post#: 175--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why doesn't the USAT get out of the Pipeline business?
By: TaekwondoDad Date: June 28, 2014, 8:00 am
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Gorilla,
Nothing against the AAU. It is what it is. Please note that it
is the AAU that wants to do business with the ATA, not the other
way around. Mike Friello is drooling over the ATA membership
numbers but every time he puts out feelers he is rebuffed.
Cooperating with the AAU or getting the Koreans to bring their
students back won't magically solve the problems with the USAT.
The membership numbers may go up (no guarantee) and the finances
may get better (no guarantee), but neither move would make Bruce
Harris suddenly become a competent manager.
The organizational issues in the USAT need to be fixed before
there is any thought of grafting on another organization.
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