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#Post#: 8304--------------------------------------------------
Re: 223 or 22/250 and what rifles do you recommend ??
By: Dunteige Mallard Date: May 25, 2013, 6:27 pm
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I work with the treble 2 and I am fond o it, good hard hitting
weapon..
#Post#: 8382--------------------------------------------------
Re: 223 or 22/250 and what rifles do you recommend ??
By: babbyc1000 Date: May 27, 2013, 5:03 am
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have you thought about picking up a cheap 2nd hand gun first? i
bought a .222 and the licence arrived back last week, second
hand cz 527 in good condition, full set up with ase moderator,
scope, bipod and a few boxes of ammo all for £625.
it wasnt my first choice but apart from using the odd .223 /
22-250 / 7.62, etc belonging to mates i havnt really used a
centrefire much for about 10 years. reason i went for it is that
apart from knowing that i want to be able to take down foxes to
at least 250 yards, ive no idea whats going to suit my needs
best. i've looked at everything from .17 centrefires up to
22-250's, from sporter barrels to heavy fluted barrels, short
barrels to long barrels, 1 in 8 twist to 1 in 14 twist,
synthetic stocks, wooden stocks.... the list goes on and on, and
everyone you speak to will give a different answer lol so by
buying the .222 ill be able to work out what exactly i need, and
at the price i got it for i shouldnt lose any more than maybe
£150 if i ever go to trade it in again ;)
#Post#: 8388--------------------------------------------------
Re: 223 or 22/250 and what rifles do you recommend ??
By: BenBlaker Date: May 27, 2013, 5:32 am
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The main foxing calibres in use are the 204/222/223/22-250. Yep
there are a few 22 hornet, and 17 rem mags about, but ammo is
expensive and limited for them. So stick tothe main 4 calibres
listed, any of them will do the job and all are flat shooting to
250 metres.
Given that most foxing will be done at a maximum of 200 metres,
and almost all except for a few percent will be done upto a max
of. 120 metres, any of nose calibres will do the job.
If shooting at night you shouldn't really be shooting beyond 200
metres anyway, as if you miss, who can see what's behind the
target at 600 metres or so ?
And that's the clue, you need to be able to see what's behind at
night. Can you be sure some idiot badger or fox watcher hasn't
walked across a field behind the target since you've set up in
the daylight. Or maybe you arrived at night ? If you don't KNOW
for 100% what's behind (maybe a horse, a sheep, a cow) and you
end up hitting it. Running off and denying all knowledge will
NOT help you. A) you will lose your permission, b) you will lose
your licence and guns, c) you will probably end up with a fine,
and maybe even imprisonment, not to mention a criminal
conviction, and d) end up paying damages too. If its a person
and you wound them, maybe end up paying the rest of your life
(happened to a mate on the continent, shot a bird watcher out
looking for owls, and dint kill him, but did seriously wound
him, causing him not to be able to work the rest of his life,
and enormous hospital bills too, and he's still paying 30 years
on)
That's why don't shoot above 200 metres, and get lamps or night
vision where you can see way past your target. Also make sure
there is a good backstop, and if a target is skylined NEVER take
a shot at it.
I've had lots of fox skylined only 100-150 metres away, an easy
shot, but miss, or the bullet not hit bone and go straight
through, you might hit something else miles away, and hence I
let them walk to live another day.
All weapons sold in the UK now have been databased with their
rifling marks and cartridge cases, so even if you don't know you
did it, a knock on the door will follow.
#Post#: 8411--------------------------------------------------
Re: 223 or 22/250 and what rifles do you recommend ??
By: babbyc1000 Date: May 27, 2013, 7:55 am
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you seem a bit worried about shooting someone at night ben mate
;) lol
the simple answer to all of this is that there is NO exact right
or wrong answer regarding ranges when it comes to shooting, at
any time of day or night with any type of firearm. it comes down
to SAFETY and ACCURACY. trying to limit people to a certain
range wont do any favours, and the last thing you want is people
blasting away willy nilly because they think 200m is safe
because you said so lol
SAFETY - can you positively, 110% identify your target? is there
a good back stop/are you shooting down so the round wont travel
on? (should be no excuse for skyline shots or rounds travelling
UNLESS its a ricochet, and dont rely on your target to stop the
round) have you checked the area thoroughly to make sure theres
no livestock/people etc in it that could be hit? (and not 3
hours before, that means as soon as youre ready to start
shooting)
ACCURACY - can you actually hit a target at that range, be it 50
yards or 400 yards? is your gun accurate/powerful enough at that
range to give a kill shot? is your scope high enough
magnification for that range, so that you can place your shot,
instead of just shooting at the target? Can you get into a
steady enough position to be able to make the shot? Are the
weather conditions favourable enough to allow you to take the
shot? (just because you can hit a tin of coke at 300 yards on a
nice calm sunny day from a prone position doesnt mean you can
hit a fox at 300 yards on a blustery night hanging out of the
sunroof of a jeep)
Also remember, accidents can happen no matter how careful you
are, you never know when youll hit a stone and a round will
ricochet over the horizon (even seen it happen with 17hmr
ballistic tips) so for your own sake make sure youve got
shooting insurance of some sort ;)
#Post#: 8422--------------------------------------------------
Re: 223 or 22/250 and what rifles do you recommend ??
By: Secret assassin Date: May 27, 2013, 10:54 am
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Good info fellas, I'm not 100% on what cal ill get yet, but if i
honestly think I'm going to do my best to do some deer stalking
then the 22/250 will be the best as I can shoot fox/deer if I
don't think it will happen a223 will do the very best, I'm
hoping to join a club as I'd like to Learn about drop off etc
and learn to be a good confidant shot befor heading out to shoot
anything live lol ;D
#Post#: 8429--------------------------------------------------
Re: 223 or 22/250 and what rifles do you recommend ??
By: BenBlaker Date: May 27, 2013, 1:40 pm
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You forget, you can't use high magnification at night (even with
night vision) 6-10 is about max, which is why military scopes
(including night vision) are generally low powered. The
important thing on the scope is how much light it lets in, so
the better the glass, and the bigger the objective size the
better. Less magnification is more light.
If you can't see it, dont shoot it, and don't shoot unless you
have a good back stop (which I mentioned above too) or you can't
see what is behind the target. And no, a forest or a hedge is
NOT considered a good backstop.
#Post#: 8432--------------------------------------------------
Re: 223 or 22/250 and what rifles do you recommend ??
By: devil_bri Date: May 27, 2013, 2:43 pm
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SA,
Before u spend money on a rifle you should join a club and try
the calibers before u buy. By joining a club you will gain some
experience in shooting c/f before going out into the field !
#Post#: 8445--------------------------------------------------
Re: 223 or 22/250 and what rifles do you recommend ??
By: babbyc1000 Date: May 27, 2013, 4:58 pm
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what do you mean you cant use high magnification at night?! tell
my hmr that, my scopes constantly up at max 16 power, day or
night - sure youve seen it ben lol doesnt gather alot of light
on its own, ill grant you, but that doesnt matter much when
youve got a lamp or an nd3 type laser designator illuminating
the target ???
anyway ive got to agree with devil bri, a club is a good way to
go if you dont want to go down the cheap gun route that i am,
also get yourself a ballistics calculator downloaded as well,
its a good way to learn drop, windage, etc, and compare
different loads and calibres. good luck with it ;)
#Post#: 8461--------------------------------------------------
Re: 223 or 22/250 and what rifles do you recommend ??
By: Stewartyg Date: May 27, 2013, 5:49 pm
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Lads this safety advice has to be remembered for any caliber and
I would add to it ALWAYS let your permission know that you are
going out, check where stock are, make sure no one else is on
the land shooting (even if they haven't checked it keeps you
right) and most importantly check no one is working on the land.
I have one permission and I'm tempted to give it up on a safety
basis only the fella has thousands of rabbits and he gives me
work. I rang him a day last year and was told land was clear and
no one else was shooting so was safe to continue only to land
out and found two other fellas shooting (neither knew each other
were there either) so informed the landowner and left. A few
months ago was spreading slurry on the same farm late at night
and light appeared in the field next to the one I was working
in. The fellas had to have seen my lights but where shooting at
the hedge between us and even though both fields let to a hollow
at the hedge it's still the unknown of where that miss or thru
shot might go.
That's just two examples of stupid things just don't let it be
you we are hearing the stories about!!
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