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#Post#: 7057--------------------------------------------------
223 or 22/250 and what rifles do you recommend ??
By: Secret assassin Date: April 13, 2013, 1:49 pm
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What's the differences between a 223 and a 22/250 ?? Just more
power and longer range?? And what are good rifles in both
calibers please as I'm hoping to get new permission signed
shortly and putting in for one of these my budget is £800 ;D
#Post#: 7061--------------------------------------------------
Re: 223 or 22/250 and what rifles do you recommend ??
By: BenBlaker Date: April 13, 2013, 2:33 pm
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90% of fox shooting will be done inside 100 metres, and another
6% to 150 metres, then maybe 4% to 200 metres, and 1% above 200
metres, so basically any fast round will do. In the 22
centrefire rounds I would recommend the 222, 223 (forget the 222
magnum, ammo is hard to get, and rifles no longer made for it)
or the 22-250,
ANY of those rounds will do for foxing in NI
Price of rounds goes up as you go along, cheapest 222, next 223,
and almost double 22-250
I live my CZ rifles. 527 is good in 222 and 223, and the 550 in
22-250
They are very accurate, extremely strong and well made, and not
expensive for the quality you get.
Also good is the HOWA 1500 and the STEYR
#Post#: 7063--------------------------------------------------
Re: 223 or 22/250 and what rifles do you recommend ??
By: BenBlaker Date: April 13, 2013, 3:18 pm
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[quote author=Sharpshooter link=topic=982.msg7062#msg7062
date=1365883658]
Tom has a lovely steyr in Ben the one with the bipod
That's integrated into the forearm but its £1400
With the scope and mod was very tempted
[/quote]
My mate Gareth had a Steyr in 22-250 too, but he does have
problems ejecting rounds if zeroing, as the barrel heats very
quickly (most sporter barrels do) and second shot is very
difficult to eject, Third shot he has to wait 5-10 mins for the
barrel to cool before it will eject.
This isn't a problem on a foxing or stalking rifle normally, as
you normally only fire one shot, then a long time till the next,
but is a problem when zeroing.
I have the CZ550 in 22-250, and mines a heavy barrel (sporter
barrel is available) and I can shoot all day with no problems,
HOWEVER, that heavy barrel means the rifle is heavy, so really
not for walking around the permission, but more for shooting
from vehicle, sticks, or bipod
#Post#: 7064--------------------------------------------------
Re: 223 or 22/250 and what rifles do you recommend ??
By: Secret assassin Date: April 13, 2013, 3:40 pm
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Thanks all, I'm thinking forget the 22/250 so tell me more on
the 222 and 223 witch is more powerfull and shoots longest
distance best?? Cheers
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Re: 223 or 22/250 and what rifles do you recommend ??
By: BenBlaker Date: April 13, 2013, 3:46 pm
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[quote author=Secret assassin link=topic=982.msg7064#msg7064
date=1365885634]
Thanks all, I'm thinking forget the 22/250 so tell me more on
the 222 and 223 witch is more powerfull and shoots longest
distance best?? Cheers
[/quote]the 223 is slightly more powerful than the 222, and
maybe has 50 metres more range effectively. But in all fairness,
at most NI shooting distances this will have no impact. All
three rounds will kill a fox deader than dead within 250 metres
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Re: 223 or 22/250 and what rifles do you recommend ??
By: BenBlaker Date: April 13, 2013, 5:05 pm
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[quote author=Sharpshooter link=topic=982.msg7066#msg7066
date=1365889636]
Yeah any of those would do the trick its a pity
We couldn't conduct a survey with the foxes
And ask which one they are more feared of lol
[/quote]
Their answer would be
"The one that lined up with someone aiming that knows what they
are doing"
99.9% of killing a fox is knowing your range, your kill zones,
and hitting the target where its supposed to be hit.
For that, you need a steady hand, and breathing control, without
which (either of which) your chances of a hit, let alone a clean
kill, deteriorate rapidly.
#Post#: 7074--------------------------------------------------
Re: 223 or 22/250 and what rifles do you recommend ??
By: brianq42 Date: April 14, 2013, 4:15 am
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all good rounds cant knock any of them, but the 22.250 is still
legal for deer down south with a 60 grain bullet head.
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Re: 223 or 22/250 and what rifles do you recommend ??
By: Gerry78 Date: April 14, 2013, 8:32 am
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Secret Assasin was reading ur post on centerfires im in the same
predicament as u as what calibre to buy The 2 fellas I know who
shoot foxes use 223 because /1/More ammo choice and cheaper
/2/Most gun companies do the 223 rifle so better choice 3/More
than suitable the ranges your using for foxing Have looked at
222 and 22/250 both great for foxing 222 not as popular and
22/250 I think more specialist But if u want my advice go 223
that's wat im going for when get cash saved Using 17 for close
range foxes at the minute I haven't been happy with effects on
foxes and wind ;)
#Post#: 7082--------------------------------------------------
Re: 223 or 22/250 and what rifles do you recommend ??
By: BenBlaker Date: April 14, 2013, 10:05 am
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[quote author=Gerry78 link=topic=982.msg7080#msg7080
date=1365946375]
Secret Assasin was reading ur post on centerfires im in the same
predicament as u as what calibre to buy The 2 fellas I know who
shoot foxes use 223 because /1/More ammo choice and cheaper
/2/Most gun companies do the 223 rifle so better choice 3/More
than suitable the ranges your using for foxing Have looked at
222 and 22/250 both great for foxing 222 not as popular and
22/250 I think more specialist But if u want my advice go 223
that's wat im going for when get cash saved Using 17 for close
range foxes at the minute I haven't been happy with effects on
foxes and wind ;)
[/quote]
The 22-250 has a good choice of ammo, and if you reload your own
(or know someone that does), it brings the price of ammo down to
tha of the 223, and makes an equal amount of ammo sorts and
types available.
But really, anything from 45 to 55 in soft point, hollow point,
or ballistic tip, is all you'll need to take out ANY fox going,
and make it deader than dead.
And that ammo is available in all three calibres, whether
factory or hand loaded.
Basically it comes down to the price of factory ammo if you are
stuck with that, and that is more expensive on the 22-250 and
the 222 is marginally cheaper to shoot than the 223, but not
much in it.
DON'T be misled by the crap of " oh, if I get 223 I can shoot
NATO 5.56, as although the rounds are almost identical, and you
CAN shoot 223 from a 5.56x45, its not always the case that you
can shoot 5.56x45 NATO rounds from a 223. This is due to the
NATO round having a slightly different shoulder, and operating
at 60,000 CUP pressure, as opposed to the 223 running at 50,000
CUP pressure.
Some rifles can fire bth, some can't, so check with. The
manufacturer (NOT THE SHOP) to see if you can.
#Post#: 7103--------------------------------------------------
Re: 223 or 22/250 and what rifles do you recommend ??
By: Triple2 Date: April 14, 2013, 5:38 pm
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I had a .222 and traded her in for a .22-250. I started with a
CZ527. Nice rifle, very accurate but very agricultural. Its the
tractor like workhorse of rifles.
It was point and shoot up to about 200 meters. Not too loud
either at night.
But I wanted something with a bit more oomph.
The Sako A7s .22-250 is a rifle I love and its a keeper, It
gives off a hell of a bang but is powerful as feck with double
the range off my old .222
I would start with a .222/ .223 and if you want more power go
for the .22-250.
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