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       #Post#: 4587--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Explain optics please..
   DIR By: BenBlaker
       Date: February 3, 2013, 4:05 am
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       The Hawke range are also made in china, but there are better
       optics for the price.
       Leapers (or the Russian market version (Sniper) ) is an
       excellent scope.
       Most are made by the Chinese military supplier ZOS, and those
       are also good.
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       That's the one I have on my 22-250
       Sells for £299.00 in the UK shops, but is only £40-£45.00 direct
       from china, as you cut out the UK taxman, the importer, and the
       shop who all make massive profits on it.
       #Post#: 4589--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Explain optics please..
   DIR By: Secret assassin
       Date: February 3, 2013, 5:07 am
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       Copey ur bang on mate, I mean I no nothing about optics but I
       was not impressed with my sole mate at all!! Ill have a look on
       eBay for a new one ;D thanks all for taking the time to explain
       ill read it all a few time for it to sink in lol many thanks ur
       a good bunch   ;D
       #Post#: 4590--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Explain optics please..
   DIR By: duck caller
       Date: February 3, 2013, 5:15 am
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       out of interest how much and what set up did you get and were
       lads
       #Post#: 4591--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Explain optics please..
   DIR By: Secret assassin
       Date: February 3, 2013, 5:39 am
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       Oh yea ur also correct copey about the 300 yrd shooting , there
       is many videos on youtbe I seen a fella shoot a marlin 22 at a
       8" thick beef joint wrapped in 2 layers of denim jeans, & at 300
       yards put the bullet right through!! Not to shabby for a spud
       gun lol but that's a different topic completely  ;D
       #Post#: 4592--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Explain optics please..
   DIR By: Secret assassin
       Date: February 3, 2013, 5:41 am
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       Duck caller , I got my set up in Maryland the rifle, scope and
       moderator for £400 with 3 years warranty
       #Post#: 4594--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Explain optics please..
   DIR By: duck caller
       Date: February 3, 2013, 6:02 am
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       what cal and make please
       #Post#: 4596--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Explain optics please..
   DIR By: Secret assassin
       Date: February 3, 2013, 6:49 am
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       Marlin 22 lr mate
       #Post#: 4606--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Explain optics please..
   DIR By: monty
       Date: February 3, 2013, 12:13 pm
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       Here bb, do you use aliexpress much for shooting ?  I,ve bought
       nothing yet but been watching a lot and thought about getting
       stuff.  I,ve also watched alibaba itself, for selling stuff.  Do
       you have any suppliers that you would recommend?  Are they gold
       suppliers etc?  Ie reliable and good customer  service?
       Maybe you could explain to the lads about Ali express?  If any
       of you lads are looking, it,s a direct website to foreign,
       particularly Chinese and Asian, suppliers.  Like buying direct
       from the manufacturer.   If the supplier is rally helpful , they
       can mark your parcel as a gift, so the uk tax man does not screw
       you when it gets into the uk.
       Just to inform you, Ali express is more for single item buying
       while alibaba is for buying large numbers of the same item, much
       like what a shop would do.
       #Post#: 4619--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Explain optics please..
   DIR By: BenBlaker
       Date: February 3, 2013, 1:28 pm
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       Just remember, try and keep anything you buy from OUTSIDE the EU
       to below £126.00 as then the taxman does you for import duty
       3.5% and VAT 20% on EVERYTHING , and he includes P&P costs too.
       Ali express is great, and if you use a supplier, check their
       feedback, and make sure hey have sold lots. If they are good,
       give them good feedback too, as it helps others in making an
       informed decision.
       I would DEFINATELY recommend Prince Sports who are on the
       Chinese mainland.
       I've had a couple of scopes of them, and these scopes retail in
       the UK at £299.00 PLUS P&P but from Prince were £40.00 each, and
       that INCLUDED FREE air mail, that was also track able, so I knew
       exactly where it was.
       Thinks like small LED shooting lamps, scopes, mounts etc, its
       far cheaper to get off ali express.
       If they send per surface mail it can take 4-5 weeks. Generally
       if its longer than 4 weeks they will refund, but don't get it
       then say you haven't had it, as otherwise they will stop
       supplying you very quickly.
       Most stuff is tracked, and it all comes through customs, but you
       won't have to pay anything if its total is under the magic
       £126.00
       #Post#: 4620--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Explain optics please..
   DIR By: BenBlaker
       Date: February 3, 2013, 1:30 pm
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