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       #Post#: 19780--------------------------------------------------
       Hogue stock
       By: Flatliner Date: November 24, 2013, 5:52 pm
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       Anyone shooting a Howa 1500, how do you rate the standard Hogue
       stock? I heard some people complain that the fore-end is quite
       bendy,but is this only an issue if you're using a bipod?
       #Post#: 19785--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hogue stock
       By: Flatliner Date: November 24, 2013, 6:17 pm
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       Cheers mate. I only ever shoot off a bag or sticks, so there's
       not going to be that much pressure on it anyway .
       #Post#: 19789--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hogue stock
       By: Flatliner Date: November 24, 2013, 6:57 pm
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       You're dead right............ When I bought my cz, I could have
       spent double the money on a top spec rifle, but I know that it
       would mean that I'd have shot double the rabbits. When I miss a
       sitter I know it's me and not the rifle.
       #Post#: 19790--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hogue stock
       By: goshawker Date: November 25, 2013, 2:01 am
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       Nothing wrong with a howa at all, the only complaint I have
       about the howa was the trigger, I have the older model and there
       is only 1 screw to adjust it, it is a lot lighter than what it
       was but it's not as crisp as I would like
       #Post#: 19805--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hogue stock
       By: Lee Date: November 25, 2013, 5:56 am
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       I have a howa 1500 no problem with the stock it's a great gun
       the trigger could do with a bit off a tune thought.
       #Post#: 19806--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hogue stock
       By: cjm Date: November 25, 2013, 6:09 am
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       I found the stock a wee bit long (im 6"1) so put a thinner butt
       pad on and its 100%.
       #Post#: 19819--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hogue stock
       By: Al Dunn Date: November 25, 2013, 8:08 am
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       If you're shooting off sticks, I would be very surprised if you
       didn't get a POI shift when using a Hogue stock on a Howa. They
       are very flexible in the fore end and the same applies to
       shooting off a bipod - if you're loading the bipod correctly, ie
       leaning into it, you'll also get a POI shift.
       They can be improved, with epoxy filling in the moulding in the
       front end, but Boyd's stocks in the states do good replacements
       for little over a hundred quid, so why bother.
       The howa is a great action though, based as it is on the tried
       and tested Mauser. It's used by a few custom houses as a base
       action. It's just a pity they decided to offer it with a £30
       over moulded stock as an option.
       Al.
       #Post#: 19823--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hogue stock
       By: Al Dunn Date: November 25, 2013, 10:23 am
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       That's probably true Sharpshooter, it depends what you want (or
       are prepared to accept) from your equipment. Me, I want the very
       best that I can get, whether I'm shooting foxes or 500 yard clay
       pigeons. It's very satisfying to not just hit a target at that
       distance, but choose WHERE you want to hit it.
       But like I say, each to their own.
       Al.
       #Post#: 19824--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hogue stock
       By: babbyc1000 Date: November 25, 2013, 11:21 am
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       I've heard of people drilling holes down the length of the
       forend and sliding a Kevlar arrow in (arrow for a bow) and
       epoxying it in place, most synthetic stocks (not all) have a bit
       of play in the forend, tho it varies and so doesn't always
       effect it. one of the reasons I started making stocks was the
       plastic stock on my mossberg 817 was awful. Can't say much about
       the howa, always wanted a blued one with the detachable mag and
       olive drab hogue stock, just by chance I was offered the .222 cz
       527 at decent money lol
       Anyway don't know why you'd want plastic crap around you, a wood
       stock gives far better balance and feel! :P
       (yes im winding so calm down lol)
       #Post#: 19867--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hogue stock
       By: Al Dunn Date: November 25, 2013, 1:24 pm
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       [quote author=Sharpshooter link=topic=2444.msg19829#msg19829
       date=1385403323]
       [quote author=Al Dunn link=topic=2444.msg19823#msg19823
       date=1385396592]
       That's probably true Sharpshooter, it depends what you want (or
       are prepared to accept) from your equipment. Me, I want the very
       best that I can get, whether I'm shooting foxes or 500 yard clay
       pigeons. It's very satisfying to not just hit a target at that
       distance, but choose WHERE you want to hit it.
       But like I say, each to their own.
       Al.
       [/quote]
       I am prepared to kill a fox dead is dead it must
       Be nice to be perfect in every way
       I just do my best with the equipment I have
       A howa will kill a deer /fox as good as a
       10 grand customised rifle bit like formula one
       Of course you will get results when you pump
       Big money into something but the one thing
       I will tell you al skill cannot be bought
       [/quote]
       I'm not saying that you need to 'pump big money' into your
       shooting to enjoy it. I don't, but I do make the best of what I
       have. I'll use quality glass, quality mounts, I'll tune my
       trigger to break cleanly, if there's a problem with my stock
       I'll sort it - reach to pull, for example. I'll develop the best
       load for my rifle and learn about ballistics as best I can. I'll
       ensure that my shooting position is as good as it can be.
       All these things are what contribute to accuracy, particularly
       at extended ranges. Nowhere did I say that you need to buy a '10
       grand customised rifle'.
       But getting back to the original post, if you can improve an
       already good rifle (the Howa / Weatherby) by removing the poor
       quality over moulded stock and replacing it with a £100 stock
       from the states, and invest a few evenings pillar bedding and
       skim bedding it, then why wouldn't you?
       Surely with the amount of money we invest in our shooting
       (reloading components etc.), we want to have the best possible
       chance of our kit performing as it should?
       There's no shame in anyone wanting to be the best that they can
       be.
       And as for skill not being bought? I couldn't agree more. Any
       shooting ability that I have (and I don't claim to be the
       world's best shooter) has been hard earned, by spending many,
       many hours on the range and in the field learning how my kit
       performs.
       That's not being elitist. It's getting out of it what you put
       in.
       Al.
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