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       dog training collar
   DIR By: Dan
       Date: November 14, 2013, 3:41 pm
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       Anybody used them before, or know anything about them. Was
       talking to a trainer today who brought the subject up and he
       would use them in certain cases. I always thought it was a bit
       cruel, but I never had one so I don't know, what you think?
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       Re: dog training collar
   DIR By: brendy73
       Date: November 14, 2013, 3:47 pm
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       well as you's all seen in my photo's I do use 1. and I think
       they are a great job in the right hands and as long as you give
       the dog time to correct his mistakes there fine. BUT IN THE
       WRONG HANDS THEY COULD BE VERY CRUEL INDEED!. ive found that the
       buzzer on mine works better for controlling him than the shock
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       Re: dog training collar
   DIR By: chid21
       Date: November 14, 2013, 3:50 pm
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       never used one so wont comment on the use of them, but i do know
       a couple of boys who used them to correct dogs for chasing stock
       with good success
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       Re: dog training collar
   DIR By: Dan
       Date: November 14, 2013, 4:28 pm
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       What problems did you use it for brendy? And how good was it? I
       have heard the term about in the wrong hands they can be cruel
       but also very effective training tools.
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       Re: dog training collar
   DIR By: Neilly
       Date: November 15, 2013, 1:15 am
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       Haven't used one myself . But was told if had to use one if
       meant I had failed in training .. Each to their own ... What
       problems you having .... Basic obedience is what I was told ..
       Practice practice practice ..lol... Stop whistle ..should mean
       stop no matter what the interest is ...
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       Re: dog training collar
   DIR By: brendy73
       Date: November 15, 2013, 4:29 am
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       at present I use it as a aid to stop the dog as I got him when
       he was 5yr old and has a deafness to the whistle when he gets on
       to a scent, ive tried a long rope and he knows when its on him
       so that doesn't work, other people tell me to give him a shake
       but don't like to do that its just easier to use the collar, as
       I said he seems to respond to the bell  so don't normally have
       to use the shock at all on him and If I do its normally turned
       away down. this is the generally the only reason I use it and
       have corrected a few springers with the same problem using this
       method for different people. now I must say that I don't expect
       a dog to stop on a 2p but do expect it to atleast try and stop
       ::). as far as failing in training goes, ive trained my own
       present bitch from 7 months without using it once and the lab
       bitch I have aswell without even hitting/shaking them. the first
       springer I trained I had to sell cause I went to Australia for a
       year so the guy who bought him took him to a trainer to get
       polished up after a summer off and he told him that the dog was
       a robot so I don't think im failing in what I do.
       ive also had lurchers for years and have had a lot of older dogs
       cured of stock worring by the use of the collar and always would
       of put it on a new dog for the first couple of times in the
       fields with me because its the invisible lead.
       would I recommend 1 yes if your messing about with older dogs,
       if your getting a pup then no put the time in instead, learn
       your dogs character and they will urs aswell
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       Re: dog training collar
   DIR By: semiauto
       Date: November 15, 2013, 7:24 am
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       my Dad had two of them for his dogs but I totally disagree with
       them but each to their own !   my Dad actually lookin a new one
       to see if it's better than the two he has that I bought of ebay
       for £30 each, I think they are cruel and a short cut quick fix
       that won't last, I'm lucky not to have needed one so far with my
       dogs, but if they work for anyone else without bein cruel than
       happy days
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