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#Post#: 17375--------------------------------------------------
Re: .17 hmr
By: Miroku38 Date: October 26, 2013, 8:51 am
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You'll not notice much difference in the noise from .17HMR and
Hyper Velocity .22LR (Supressors do little to reduce the crack
at these velocities)
.17HMR usually have 17 grain bullet, hyper velocity .22LR have
around a 30 grain depending on manufacturers (lighter than the
standard 40 grain normally found in .22LR)
.17HMR are faster, flatter and will travel further no doubt, but
body shoot anything smaller than a fox at any thing less than
100m then don't be expecting to do much with the meat other than
dumping it...
.17HMR also are more likely to break up on impact with ground
and less likely to ricochet.
My opinion, if you are a good shot and can confidently and
consistently hit an apple sized target at 100m, stick with the
.22LR and change your rounds as required. If you have doubt
over your ability to place a good shot, then go with the .17HMR
as you've more room for mistakes.
#Post#: 17379--------------------------------------------------
Re: .17 hmr
By: Stewartyg Date: October 26, 2013, 9:19 am
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I'm using a paler Hale mm1 with win subs jimbo. I know what your
getting at with foxes tho I have the opposite problem-most of my
permissions won't let me shot foxes as they kill rabbits!!
#Post#: 17392--------------------------------------------------
Re: .17 hmr
By: jimbo Date: October 26, 2013, 11:15 am
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shoot em anyway lol... means more rabbits for you :)
#Post#: 17414--------------------------------------------------
Re: .17 hmr
By: Flatliner Date: October 26, 2013, 3:27 pm
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.22mag might be a better option if you wanted to go at the foxes
with a rimfire. Not as flat as the hmr but hits harder.
Or, if you wanted to step up to a small cf, .22hornet would do
the business.
#Post#: 17420--------------------------------------------------
Re: .17 hmr
By: jimbo Date: October 27, 2013, 5:16 am
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some excellent information in there miroku..only just noticed
your post there mate. i would be quite confident on hitting an
apple at 100 yards with my current set up so you reckon go for a
hyper velocity 30 - 32 grain round and stick with the .22lr?
cheers for that info too flatliner im going to look into the
.22 magnum also :)
#Post#: 17430--------------------------------------------------
Re: .17 hmr
By: HairyHarvey Date: October 27, 2013, 6:41 am
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Talking about the bullets. I was told that the .22 rounds can be
dangerous as they keep on going or can riccochet but that the
larger calibre higher velocity bullets are safer as they will
fragment on impact even with a blade of grass. Not a problem for
me as I don't shoot vermin and only shoot on approved ranges. I
was just wondering because sometimes you are told stuff and its
not always right.
#Post#: 17439--------------------------------------------------
Re: .17 hmr
By: jimbo Date: October 27, 2013, 7:57 am
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ive no idea to be honest. but i heard the exact same as you did.
as long as my .22 smashes into a foxes skull tonight i will be
happy lol
#Post#: 17464--------------------------------------------------
Re: .17 hmr
By: Secret assassin Date: October 27, 2013, 10:32 am
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Get 223 mate, if u can get the land it's the only problem, mad
if ur nervousness shooting a 22 it's because the land ur one is
honestly not really safe enough by the sound of it, meaning
there is very few areas u can squeeze the trigger!! If and when
u get proper rifle ground u can nearly shoot 360 degrees as its
full hill side and that shooting from top of valleys to bottom,
and from valley to valley , and even up hill as long as you keep
it well lower than the ridge line as obvious it's not safe .. A
had your same problem mate my land was shit for any rifle it was
shotgun land , ul have to travel further afield to get big hill
side buddy, it's hard but I've done and all being well I've 2
new permission I've put down for this 223 and one more
permission spare also signed up
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Re: .17 hmr
By: Secret assassin Date: October 27, 2013, 10:49 am
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NAND also mate , is it all kinds of shooting u want to do??? Or
are u looking to get into foxing?? All my land is fun land, no
farmer need my help they just let me shoot for my own fun, so
I'm lucky. But if u have farmers than need bunnys sorted u need
to keep the 22 , or decided if u really think there land is good
fun enough for what u want?? That's what I've done I let my 22
go as I've no interest really in bunnys at the mo, just foxing ,
but some time ill get a 22 or 17hmr but only if I've great land
I love that offers me good sport and the land owner need rabbits
sorted , I'm not wasting my money on both as I can't afford it,
I've granted a 12g shotgun and hopefully 223 so that's all I
need for my land and farmers , I don't just ask any farmer for
permission , I look for the kinda land I like then go asking who
owns it, and hilly lands hard work to stalk over!! Lol
#Post#: 17470--------------------------------------------------
Re: .17 hmr
By: Al Dunn Date: October 27, 2013, 11:12 am
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[quote author=HairyHarvey link=topic=2198.msg17430#msg17430
date=1382874119]
Talking about the bullets. I was told that the .22 rounds can be
dangerous as they keep on going or can riccochet but that the
larger calibre higher velocity bullets are safer as they will
fragment on impact even with a blade of grass. Not a problem for
me as I don't shoot vermin and only shoot on approved ranges. I
was just wondering because sometimes you are told stuff and its
not always right.
[/quote]
It's true that .22LR is certainly very prone to ricochets, but
certain centre fire rounds will also ricochet worse than others.
The best bullet to minimize the likelihood of this happening is
a ballistic tipped hunting bullet. These are manufactured with a
thin copper jacket with (normally) a large pocket behind the
polymer tip to allow the tip to initiate the expansion.
Generally speaking, with ballistic tips, the faster you push
them, the safer they are.
The worst c/f bullets for ricochets would be full metal jacket
(FMJ) as these tend not to deform on impact with the target - be
it on a range going through plywood, or on the body of a fox.
Unfortunately, a lot of the bargain basement ammo on sale is FMJ
and no doubt is currently being used throughout the province in
the pursuit of rabbits and foxes - a use for which it most
certainly is not suited.
Al.
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