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       #Post#: 630--------------------------------------------------
       Suggestion : gather in the same channel?
   DIR By: Shoop
       Date: August 22, 2013, 6:15 pm
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       Warcraft III and with that our community grows smaller. What is
       really the point in gathering in different channels on different
       servers?
       I suggest we agree on one channel in Europe and one channel in
       US East where we all gather, and divide the time between those
       too (hours when europeans are more likeley to be active we all
       gather in Europe and vice versa when americans are most likeley
       to be active).
       (Ironicly?) I think StH offers the best clans to handle a
       mainchannel on both servers. On US East the competition is
       slim/non existance. On Europe there are 2 other alternatives.
       Behh and CsB.
       Ill give you some reasons to why I think StH is the best
       alternative on Europe aswell :
       No other clan have as many influential people behind it : Me,
       Sidey, drew, Stek, Cele, Chakra and many more.
       Behh have a great history and offers a good place for
       chatparties, but there is NO activity in sheeptag whatsoever and
       none(?) of the shamans or the chief plays it anymore. Imo that
       is enough to disqualify Behh from the discussion. The chief and
       the shamans MUST be interested in sheeptag for it to be a
       prosperous alternative.
       CsB have a good history aswell, but mainly through a lot of
       really good players who have been and who still are in the clan.
       However their chief CMK isnt someone you want to be ultimatly
       responsible for the channels. He doesnt care about his shamans
       abusing, he is a lousy role model for new sheeptaggers and its
       close to impossible to have a discussion with him about
       something important. Add A_polar and Jean-mii to this mix and I
       think they are out too.
       Except the StH members I also feel confident several other
       influential people will support this idea, including Exalius and
       Shyamora. I havent had a chance to talk to all the people I
       wanted such as amir, Spoofy and Traxxwolf, and I especially hope
       Spoofy will consider this since he has the best hostbot.
       So Spoofy, what do you say about giving this a chance and move
       your hostbot to StH instead of CsB?
       #Post#: 633--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Suggestion : gather in the same channel?
   DIR By: XXXandBEER
       Date: August 22, 2013, 9:18 pm
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       We should migrate to Sc2 there is a decent Sheep Tag map on
       their with editors willing to listen to us.
       #Post#: 637--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Suggestion : gather in the same channel?
   DIR By: CandyManKiller
       Date: August 23, 2013, 2:49 am
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       Forget about it.
       #Post#: 639--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Suggestion : gather in the same channel?
   DIR By: Night
       Date: August 23, 2013, 3:32 am
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       --- Quote from: XXXandBEER link ---
       >
       > We should migrate to Sc2 there is a decent Sheep Tag map on
       their with editors willing to listen to us.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       About 10% of st community has sc2, so its a bad idea.
       Now im going to tell you why behh channel is the best option.
       The main reason is that there is 0% of abuse chance from
       shamans/chiefs. Its a channel for everyone who wants to
       debate/flameparty or just discuss interesting topics. StH has
       immense amount of people which are known for abusing any little
       power they had in their lifes and everyone would be a fool to
       trust them.
       CONCLUSION-> THe channels stay the same. BeHH channel for
       chatparty , CsB for st.
       #Post#: 641--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Suggestion : gather in the same channel?
   DIR By: CandyManKiller
       Date: August 23, 2013, 3:41 am
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       Ye i'm fine with the conclusion Nightmare[behh] made.
       CsB for sT, and behh for chatting.
       #Post#: 644--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Suggestion : gather in the same channel?
   DIR By: FaceOfMelinda
       Date: August 23, 2013, 3:47 am
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       I like the idea of moving to SC2 even if it's a little bit late
       now. That is, if someone can produce even a toilet-quality sheep
       tag map and link me a youtube video of it. What I've seen so far
       on SC2 has been below toilet-quality. Also, last I was on SC2
       they still didn't have chat rooms: retarded.
       I think I might be hard to justify having Drew as leader @ this
       project given his past abuse. Is this guy any different from
       cmk? Abuses himself and lets jeanmii/chakra do whatever the hell
       they please without consequence :S
       #Post#: 646--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Suggestion : gather in the same channel?
   DIR By: Night
       Date: August 23, 2013, 4:05 am
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       chatparty and flame party must stay in behh in order to prevent
       abuse. Everyone with a brain of a homo sapiens understands this.
       CASE CLOSED
       #Post#: 648--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Suggestion : gather in the same channel?
   DIR By: drewisfat
       Date: August 23, 2013, 4:52 am
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       The only power abuse I've had on bnet chatrooms as in my own
       clan on east where:
       1. It is widely known that bans last about 5 seconds, and are
       taken as part of a joke among a small select group of ppl that
       largely don't mind.  Chakra has led three mutinies on me in the
       past week ^^
       2. I never promised to not ban people from sheep tag homies.
       I do make the promise to not ban people from Stairway to Heaven.
       In new channel likely the only ban action would be chakras bot
       against spammers.  I promise not to harm even an itio or
       apolars, only cow is banned until he reforms.
       Me being an anti free speech hitler tyrant is propaganda.  The
       main evidence for this is that four years ago I told someone it
       would be funny if they put a spider on sidey's post in a dying
       forum.
       Look at the past history of sidey the forum admin.  He has a
       history of spamming forums with childporn!!  But this is a
       different forum, and he has promised to keep it a free speech
       zone, and I trust him to keep the promise and don't see CP on
       gosu's forum as relevant to that promise.
       I got no problem with CMK, we always got along cool, but he's
       promoted the people the community has bullied for years, and
       they've united and now they got some power and some heavy
       grudges.  I've heard some big tales of abuse.  I've stayed away
       from them and from revo in part for this reason.  Still when I
       tried to play a few weeks ago I was told by some that I had been
       banned for being a "leaver" -- an interesting charge against
       someone that hasn't joined any games on the bot in recent
       memory.
       There is also the issue that warbotters have been having a field
       day with CSB recently, and that hopefully StH is under the
       radar.
       #Post#: 650--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Suggestion : gather in the same channel?
   DIR By: Chakra
       Date: August 23, 2013, 5:35 am
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       CsB for ST home?
       [quote="CsB is paranoid, thinking everyone wants them dead and
       only trust each other."][2013-07-26 18:36:28] Jean-Mii.: cmk we
       cant trust those freaks... they r all against CsB
       [2013-07-26 18:36:28] explorator: I did everything, lol.
       [2013-07-26 18:36:32] Celestial_One#2: he thinks it's huge funny
       to repeat it
       [2013-07-26 18:36:33] CandyManKiller: ye
       [2013-07-26 18:36:33] Jean-Mii.: they banned Spoofy because hes
       csb
       [2013-07-26 18:36:34] CandyManKiller: dw
       [2013-07-26 18:36:40] CandyManKiller: i only trust an csb
       [2013-07-26 18:36:41] CandyManKiller: dw[/quote][quote="CMK
       takes opinions from known liars over those that have little or
       no history of trying to lie."][2013-07-26 18:35:10] explorator:
       CMK, how can you let Jean lie and lie 24/7?
       [2013-07-26 18:35:13] Celestial_One#2: lick a dick ^^
       [2013-07-26 18:35:18] explorator: It's not really troll, it's
       just stupid lie.
       [2013-07-26 18:35:18] Rival[behh]: Chakra you saw or?
       [2013-07-26 18:35:21] explorator: He repeats over and over.
       [2013-07-26 18:35:24] Rival[behh]: Activision Blizzard stock up
       15% today
       [2013-07-26 18:35:27] Rival[behh]: YOOOO
       [2013-07-26 18:35:27] CandyManKiller: i trust jm
       [2013-07-26 18:35:32] Jean-Mii.: chakra stop defend cele... we
       all saw he kicked spoofy
       [2013-07-26 18:35:34] CandyManKiller: i dont give a shit
       [2013-07-26 18:35:36] CandyManKiller: what any of u say
       [2013-07-26 18:35:37] Celestial_One#2: lol.
       [2013-07-26 18:35:40] Rival[behh]: J.P. Morgan advised
       Activision Blizzard
       [2013-07-26 18:35:43] CandyManKiller: i would never trust any of
       u shits
       [2013-07-26 18:35:43] explorator: Is he talking about the BD
       game on west?
       [2013-07-26 18:35:44] Celestial_One#2: chakra is here admitting
       he banned spoofy ^^
       [2013-07-26 18:35:45] Rival[behh]: on its stock buyback from
       Vivendi yoooo
       [2013-07-26 18:35:48] explorator: In which he wasn't kicked from
       the game.
       [2013-07-26 18:35:49] CandyManKiller: specialy sidey amir exa
       [2013-07-26 18:35:50] CandyManKiller: etc
       [2013-07-26 18:35:52] CandyManKiller: they are all idiots
       [2013-07-26 18:35:53] explorator: And I banned him from the
       channel?
       [2013-07-26 18:36:02] explorator: unless ending a game = kicking
       Spoofy[/quote][quote="CMK reaffirms he will always support
       JM."][2013-07-26 18:57:02] Celestial_One#2: and even worse CMK
       supports you lol
       [2013-07-26 18:57:09] Celestial_One#2: he's a disgusting person
       too
       [2013-07-26 18:57:14] CandyManKiller: i would always support jm
       no matter what
       [2013-07-26 18:57:16] explorator: Yeah, Jean.
       [2013-07-26 18:57:17] CandyManKiller: u guys are shit
       [2013-07-26 18:57:24] Celestial_One#2: I won't abuse my
       access[/quote][quote="CMK says he can ban anyone from CsB and
       CsB hostbots because they are his."][2013-07-26 18:47:49]
       Celestial_One#2: cmk + jeanmii come to tagteam cele into
       oblivion
       [2013-07-26 18:47:54] Celestial_One#2: cele sends 1 flame each
       way and afks
       [2013-07-26 18:47:58] Celestial_One#2: then they ban him to fun
       :D
       [2013-07-26 18:48:01] Celestial_One#2: fuck * :D
       [2013-07-26 18:48:15] explorator: Ye, at least we don't ban
       people for speech. ^^
       [2013-07-26 18:48:17] Celestial_One#2: cmk you and jean came to
       the channel picking a fight with me
       [2013-07-26 18:48:19] Celestial_One#2: then I flame you back
       [2013-07-26 18:48:21] Celestial_One#2: and you ban me?
       [2013-07-26 18:48:25] Jean-Mii.: u ban ppl for failing in a bd
       game XDDDDDDD
       [2013-07-26 18:48:25] CandyManKiller: if i ban cele
       [2013-07-26 18:48:25] Celestial_One#2: you're sick and twisted u
       know that?
       [2013-07-26 18:48:28] CandyManKiller: for being idiot
       [2013-07-26 18:48:29] CandyManKiller: i do that
       [2013-07-26 18:48:30] Jean-Mii.: !!!!CHAKRA
       [2013-07-26 18:48:30] CandyManKiller: lol
       [2013-07-26 18:48:34] Celestial_One#2: what did I do?
       [2013-07-26 18:48:35] CandyManKiller: its my own
       [2013-07-26 18:48:36] CandyManKiller: channel
       [2013-07-26 18:48:38] explorator: Jean, no one can be banned on
       StH bots.
       [2013-07-26 18:48:38] CandyManKiller: my own
       [2013-07-26 18:48:39] CandyManKiller: bots[/quote][quote="CMK
       discards opinions of other people because they don't have
       'power.'"][2013-07-26 18:39:29] Jean-Mii.: can u kick chakra? he
       spams fake things
       [2013-07-26 18:39:34] Rival[behh]: yeeee
       [2013-07-26 18:39:40] explorator: Chakra NEVER been convicting
       of faking logs.
       [2013-07-26 18:39:42] Jean-Mii.: real brains? "how to kick and
       ban someone"
       [2013-07-26 18:39:42] explorator: ^^
       [2013-07-26 18:39:51] Celestial_One#2: yee you're next jean-mii
       [2013-07-26 18:39:54] Celestial_One#2: watch yo bacK!
       [2013-07-26 18:39:58] explorator: Jean on otherhand got REALLY
       questionable history.
       [2013-07-26 18:40:01] CandyManKiller: what u wanna do
       [2013-07-26 18:40:01] CandyManKiller: cele
       [2013-07-26 18:40:03] CandyManKiller: lol^^
       [2013-07-26 18:40:03] Jean-Mii.: i am not scared, i am ready
       [2013-07-26 18:40:07] Jean-Mii.: spoofy told me ur tactics
       [2013-07-26 18:40:07] Celestial_One#2: I'
       [2013-07-26 18:40:10] Jean-Mii.: i counter u easy
       [2013-07-26 18:40:10] CandyManKiller: ur like an anT^^
       [2013-07-26 18:40:12] explorator: CMK, you think Cele kicked
       Spoofy from game yet?
       [2013-07-26 18:40:14] Celestial_One#2: I'm a snake in the grass
       yooo ^^ just waitens
       [2013-07-26 18:40:17] CandyManKiller: we think about stepping on
       [2013-07-26 18:40:18] CandyManKiller: or not^^
       [2013-07-26 18:40:24] CandyManKiller: our
       choice^^[/quote][quote="It is without question that I ended the
       game and banned Spoofy from the channel. CsB pretends otherwise
       (Spoofy later came up and agreed with CsB against flatout
       history of previous forum). States anyone who bans someone in
       CsB will be banned from CsB."][2013-07-26 18:33:40] Jean-Mii.:
       cele stop kick spoofy u fucking geek
       [2013-07-26 18:33:43] Rival[behh]:  ISideyGrid is a ridiculous
       grid developed by Sidey where you offset your grid to prevent
       range hits at the cost of screwing over your entire team.
       [2013-07-26 18:33:44] Jean-Mii.: else i ban you in CsB
       [2013-07-26 18:33:47] CandyManKiller: cele
       [2013-07-26 18:33:49] CandyManKiller: u kick spoofy?
       [2013-07-26 18:33:51] Rival[behh]: CowGrid another ridiculous
       grid developed by Cowardlyshoe where you build 4 farm together
       2x2 and offset the right side by 1/2 space down. Purpose of grid
       is to reduce golem/mirror jumps and confuse the wolves.
       [2013-07-26 18:33:54] Rival[behh]: rofl ^^
       [2013-07-26 18:33:56] Rival[behh]: classic shit
       [2013-07-26 18:33:56] CandyManKiller: cele
       [2013-07-26 18:34:00] CandyManKiller: ima ban ur shit
       [2013-07-26 18:34:03] CandyManKiller: if u ban spoofy
       [2013-07-26 18:34:05] explorator: I only knew one/two (depending
       if nightelves = moon).
       [2013-07-26 18:34:07] CandyManKiller: go eat dicks
       [2013-07-26 18:34:09] Celestial_One#2: cmk go home you're drunk
       lol
       [2013-07-26 18:34:20] Rival[behh]: Actually
       [2013-07-26 18:34:21] Jean-Mii.: cele we all saw u on forums etc
       mass pics
       [2013-07-26 18:34:22] Celestial_One#2: ffs fine drink 2 more
       beers
       [2013-07-26 18:34:24] Celestial_One#2: then drive home ^^
       [2013-07-26 18:34:26] Jean-Mii.: u kicked and banned spoofy lol
       [2013-07-26 18:34:26] Rival[behh]: Cowgrid =works huge well
       [2013-07-26 18:34:37] Rival[behh]:  you build 4 farm together
       2x2 and offset the right side by 1/2 space down
       [2013-07-26 18:34:40] CandyManKiller: kekek
       [2013-07-26 18:34:40] Rival[behh]: = exactly on track
       [2013-07-26 18:34:42] CandyManKiller: cele banned
       [2013-07-26 18:34:42] Celestial_One#2: jean-mii rly bringing the
       cancerpatient material today lol
       [2013-07-26 18:34:45] Celestial_One#2: "u banned spoofy lol"
       [2013-07-26 18:34:47] Celestial_One#2: xD
       [2013-07-26 18:34:50] Jean-Mii.: we saw it
       [2013-07-26 18:34:53] Jean-Mii.: all saw it
       [2013-07-26 18:34:56] Jean-Mii.: u fucking hitler
       [2013-07-26 18:34:57] CandyManKiller: ban an csb
       [2013-07-26 18:34:59] CandyManKiller: is banned
       urself[/quote][quote="CMK cares nothing for the opinion of
       anyone, fact or not."][2013-07-26 18:45:04] Celestial_One#2: yoo
       cmk remember that time you became super active and took over
       sheep tag community, letting all kids ban, spam, and abuse like
       fuck and ultimately killed and ruined the game with your low
       intelligence and poor leadership
       [2013-07-26 18:45:10] explorator: This thread don't have link?
       [2013-07-26 18:45:15] Celestial_One#2: yeee I remember ^^
       [2013-07-26 18:45:19] Celestial_One#2: good times reminiscing :D
       [2013-07-26 18:45:29] explorator: Ah, I see forum link.
       [2013-07-26 18:45:30] Rival[behh]: lol
       [2013-07-26 18:45:30] CandyManKiller: kkee
       [2013-07-26 18:45:31] CandyManKiller: cele
       [2013-07-26 18:45:34] CandyManKiller: ur done
       [2013-07-26 18:45:38] explorator: Imagine if Sidey didn't get
       forum removed.
       [2013-07-26 18:45:41] Celestial_One#2: cya cmk lol ^^
       [2013-07-26 18:45:48] explorator: CMK bans Cele because of
       speech.
       [2013-07-26 18:45:50] CandyManKiller: .mail test test
       [2013-07-26 18:45:50] Jean-Mii.: Added mail for test.
       [2013-07-26 18:45:51] DemonicFailures: Added mail for test.
       [2013-07-26 18:45:51] Celestial_One#2: go back to your hideaway
       lol
       [2013-07-26 18:45:52] explorator: CMK literally is Hitler!
       [2013-07-26 18:45:54] Rival[behh]: This must be before doom
       forums?
       [2013-07-26 18:45:56] CandyManKiller: .mail spoofy ban cele on
       all bots
       [2013-07-26 18:45:57] Jean-Mii.: Added mail for spoofy.
       [2013-07-26 18:45:57] DemonicFailures: Added mail for spoofy.
       [2013-07-26 18:45:57] Rival[behh]: So much good stuff on doom
       forums
       [2013-07-26 18:45:59] Rival[behh]: ffs
       [2013-07-26 18:46:01] Celestial_One#2: rofl ^^
       [2013-07-26 18:46:05] Jean-Mii.: cele bans spoofy because he
       didnt know bd's rule
       [2013-07-26 18:46:08] Jean-Mii.: you think its better
       [2013-07-26 18:46:10] Rival[behh]: Chakra once compared me to
       Hitler
       [2013-07-26 18:46:11] Jean-Mii.: sick hitlers
       [2013-07-26 18:46:12] Celestial_One#2: insane ^^ lol
       [2013-07-26 18:46:14] Rival[behh]: Except I was worse
       [2013-07-26 18:46:16] Rival[behh]: but yee
       [2013-07-26 18:46:21] explorator: Jean thinks it's better to ban
       people for speech.
       [2013-07-26 18:46:24] Celestial_One#2: this rly does make for
       some nasty logs ^^
       [2013-07-26 18:46:26] explorator: Than banning them for being
       bad in a game.
       [2013-07-26 18:46:27] explorator: ^^
       [2013-07-26 18:46:38] Jean-Mii.: u ban someone because hes worse
       than you in a game?
       [2013-07-26 18:46:38] Celestial_One#2: jean-mii and cmk come to
       clan behh picking a fight with cele spamming nonsense and lies
       [2013-07-26 18:46:40] Jean-Mii.: good thing
       [2013-07-26 18:46:40] CandyManKiller: they rly think making logs
       [2013-07-26 18:46:43] CandyManKiller: helps against us
       [2013-07-26 18:46:44] explorator: How are hostbot games related
       to what we chat about in a channel? ^^
       [2013-07-26 18:46:44] CandyManKiller: lol^^
       [2013-07-26 18:46:47] Celestial_One#2: cele types 1 knockout
       message
       [2013-07-26 18:46:50] CandyManKiller: so funny^^
       [2013-07-26 18:46:53] Celestial_One#2: cmk = UR BANNED FROM ALL
       BOTS
       [2013-07-26 18:46:56] Celestial_One#2: some nice shit ^^
       [2013-07-26 18:46:58] CandyManKiller: jm they dont know we rule
       this^^
       [2013-07-26 18:46:58] Jean-Mii.: yes? how a game is related to
       BAN him in channel?
       [2013-07-26 18:46:59] Celestial_One#2: my flames rly are nasty
       as shit :D
       [2013-07-26 18:47:08] Jean-Mii.: speech = in channel so its
       related to CHANNEL
       [2013-07-26 18:47:10] Jean-Mii.: game = NOT
       [2013-07-26 18:47:18] CandyManKiller: cele im rly gonna laugh
       when u j a game
       [2013-07-26 18:47:21] CandyManKiller: this week^^[/quote]
       The chieftain cares nothing for the greater community, only for
       his own power/cult. If you lick CMK, yo will become shaman, no
       matter what abusive record. Repeatedly ban/kick people from
       games? Just have a party with CMK and he forgives you.
       They are a clan that looks out for themselves. This doesn't make
       the clan bad, it just makes the clan a very poor choice for the
       ST seat.
       StH will never ban people.* We support completely open free
       speech and encourage chat parties. Have beef with one of our
       members? That's cool, you won't be banned. Constantly attack
       Chakra for being a Hitler/queer/bad mapmaker? Don't care.
       Everyone is welcome.
       *Cow is single human exception, and he may be allowed back in.
       Flood/spam bots aren't people.
       #Post#: 651--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Suggestion : gather in the same channel?
   DIR By: Night
       Date: August 23, 2013, 6:41 am
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       Yes thats why for chatparty you come to channel behh. CsB has
       the biggest st player playerbase and for that reason u go to
       their channel if you wanna host/play st.
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