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       #Post#: 3915--------------------------------------------------
       Re: YOU are the problem - not the abusers
   DIR By: Celestial_One
       Date: April 3, 2014, 3:03 pm
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       The only way to stop hitler is to become a nazi or a supporter
       of genocide! - tollison
       Tollison rly is brainwashed lol.
       Real solution is in between yo, completely boycotting 3/4 the
       games isn't the solution, and as shown won't work (shoop & co).
       Using spambots and ruining games won't work as that only
       destroys what's left of the community. The only way is to
       support other hosters by PREFERRING their bot over others. IE
       when hitlers are hosting games and beer is around then go to
       beer's bot. A big problem i foresee with beer's bot is that
       he'll let anyone have access. So far beer's bot has brought
       amazing parties with 0 abuse. I fully support VST atm.
       #Post#: 3916--------------------------------------------------
       Re: YOU are the problem - not the abusers
   DIR By: Nmcdo
       Date: April 3, 2014, 4:03 pm
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       Ye every game I have played has been both non Hitler and very
       successful and fun. Beer don't €#&$^?@&+¥÷_$€$&$£ this up
       EDIT: I completely agree with what KOALA said. Miss you !
       #Post#: 3917--------------------------------------------------
       Re: YOU are the problem - not the abusers
   DIR By: Nmcdo
       Date: April 3, 2014, 5:23 pm
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       !!!!!!!!!AmIRRo SPOTED!!!!
  HTML http://i.imgur.com/sW7sRyr.png
       #Post#: 3918--------------------------------------------------
       Re: YOU are the problem - not the abusers
   DIR By: Tollison
       Date: April 3, 2014, 6:36 pm
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       ignore celestials ridiculous post.  I never said anything about
       joining the Nazis to stop Hitler nor said anything relative to
       it.
       I'm spreading a message to love thy neighbor, be fruitful, and
       multiply ;P.
       I only suggest you all join CsB and VsT for they are the only
       active sheep tag clans at the moment.  Quit being egotistical,
       the lot of you, and join a clan worth being in for the sake of
       sheep tag activity.
       #Post#: 3919--------------------------------------------------
       Re: YOU are the problem - not the abusers
   DIR By: HaWkys
       Date: April 3, 2014, 6:47 pm
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       If anything join vst, vst = only LOGICAL hitler free choice.
       #Fuck-CsB
       #Post#: 3920--------------------------------------------------
       Re: YOU are the problem - not the abusers
   DIR By: Chiefhero[sks]
       Date: April 3, 2014, 10:09 pm
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       [quote=tollison]ignore celestials ridiculous post.  I never said
       anything about joining the Nazis to stop Hitler nor said
       anything relative to it.[/quote]
       Wot?
       [quote=tollison]It is true.  I HIGHLY doubt that killing would
       continue on a large scale from hitler if everyone would just
       stop being jewish... All I did was give respect and love towards
       hitler where it was rightfully deserved and now I'm a grunt in
       CSB with no worries of being killed at the moment.  It feels
       great.[/quote]
       [quote=tollison]The biggest problem with germany, are the
       morals, standards, and actions of the players.  Most of you
       reading this have such a big ego that you're not willing to give
       up being jewish to get what you want.  Me:  I stopped being a
       jew and now I live in hitlers guesthouse[/quote]
       bolded parts = changed.
       [quote=tollison]JESUS TURNED THE OTHER CHEEK WHEN HE WAS
       VIOLATED!  I wanna be like Jesus, son.[/quote]
       but his daddie punished abusers, and preached justice. i didnt
       study the torah, but mebbe jesus is an bigger man than his
       daddie? ?? or daddie mebbe was joking, who nos?
       #Post#: 3921--------------------------------------------------
       Re: YOU are the problem - not the abusers
   DIR By: Shroomy
       Date: April 4, 2014, 2:37 am
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       Sidey is right. if you just sit in a game and just pray the
       abuse/griefing doesn't ruin YOUR game, then you're doing it
       wrong. All the sane people need to band together and exile the
       evil/deranged/immature people. Well, either they get exiled or
       join the sane people, i shall explain:
       If they host a game and ban people for no reason, then leave the
       game. This kind of thing or other abuse, like flooding clan
       channels, the sane people need to boycott these shitters.
       Get a good host from someone active who isn't a Hitler (beer)
       and have a ZERO tolerance policy for griefing.
       Even if it is "taking sides" or w/e... it is the foundation of
       what NEEDS to be done to end the abuse. You need to take the
       power away from the ALL the abusers. You need your bot to be a
       priority over theirs, it needs to be a safe haven. Tollison i
       strongly suggest you join VsT and stop supporting abusers. It
       doesn't matter what your "intentions" are or however you want to
       "rationalize" it, what matters is you are supporting abuse.
       If CsB has their heart SO set on ruining games and
       abuse/griefing, then fuck them. They will just be kicked in the
       new super power of a hostbot/clan's games, and they can rot like
       some ST Tough Edition clan no one in the STC knows about, while
       all the sane people enjoy abuse free games. But really I
       shouldn't single CsB out... I don't know if all it's members
       grief or abuse or w/e... it isn't about clans or alliances...
       you can't take pre-emptive action against them based on their
       history of abuse. it needs to be a punishment system. as long as
       the player does no wrong, then they are allowed to play.
       Flame wars and rivalries are fine, those are some things that
       make the STC what it is. But there's a fine line between flaming
       someone and going -afk in a perfectly balanced game and flooding
       chat with flames while everyone plays, just because a certain
       player is existing in the game.
       Really the only issue that might be a problem is activity. I'm
       willing to rejoin the community as a semi-active player or
       possibly fully active player (at least until this summer) just
       to help this cause, and create an active abuse-free STC.
       Are any of the other "neutral" sters blindly supporting abuse
       actually willing to take action against that abuse or am i just
       talking to the wind?
       #Post#: 3924--------------------------------------------------
       Re: YOU are the problem - not the abusers
   DIR By: Nmcdo
       Date: April 4, 2014, 5:17 pm
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       No Shroomy, you're not talking to the wind. I agreed with about
       everything you said, so I won't spend time making a huge post
       about what we should do considered I just agreed with you're
       plan of action.
       #Post#: 3925--------------------------------------------------
       Re: YOU are the problem - not the abusers
   DIR By: FaceOfMelinda
       Date: April 4, 2014, 5:55 pm
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       YEEEEEEEEEEEe
       East parties are a REALLY good idea - provided that they are
       abuse-free.
       We need to collectively make an effort to reduce the influence
       of people like Polar, Baiten, Jean-mii, and anyone else
       kicking/muting/banning because they get can't handle the heat
       when someone calls them on their shit or they are met with the
       same treatment they dish out. This also includes behaviour such
       as Polar's e.g., refusing to play and ruining games because his
       brain overloads with emotions when Hawkys and others bully him
       about the same way he does onto others.
       These people may be your friends, your allies, even your best
       friends - but it's in all our interests to reduce their
       influence when it means we will increase activity, achieve
       better games, and maybe even get a real party or two.
       It's a shame we have retarded braindead idiots like Tollison
       feeding the abuse non-stop. We must COLLECTIVELY stop accepting
       this behavior. When someone gets kicked from a game/banned from
       a bot unjustly STAND UP for that person. Don't stand by like a
       retard-rogue doing nothing begging the abusers for play-time.
       You're ruining not just for yourself but for the ENTIRE
       community.
       #Post#: 3932--------------------------------------------------
       Re: YOU are the problem - not the abusers
   DIR By: Tollison
       Date: April 5, 2014, 4:24 pm
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       Amir, what are you even around for anymore?  I thought you moved
       on to dota or w/e.
       All you did was change my words to fit what you wanted to see.
       What i typed isn't relative enough to the changed words to be
       true.
       i don't even know what you said or meant by your third sentence,
       who cares about his dad at the moment?
       This is why I don't even like participating in these forums; all
       of you end up pulling your d1cks out to see which is biggest
       rather than trying to fix a problem.
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