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       #Post#: 3630--------------------------------------------------
       New CsB movie out!
   DIR By: Shoop
       Date: March 5, 2014, 3:36 pm
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       #Post#: 3631--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New CsB movie out!
   DIR By: FaceOfMelinda
       Date: March 5, 2014, 3:41 pm
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       #Post#: 3634--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New CsB movie out!
   DIR By: Nmcdo
       Date: March 5, 2014, 4:17 pm
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       Sign me up lol. I have had enough (before I left) of being
       treated poorly in csb.  (Got demoted and banned for tk in tree
       tag by cmk.) (Ignored by cmk for months because of not being in
       csb, mocked for trying to help the community -> clan SoR and
       other things.)
       FINISH THE FIGHT
       #Post#: 3635--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New CsB movie out!
   DIR By: Celestial_One
       Date: March 5, 2014, 4:58 pm
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       It's insane how ppl show their loyalties anywhere on europe. The
       best option is to remain clanless or join behh, where abuse
       NEVER happens (or if it does it's incredibly rare).
       #Post#: 3636--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New CsB movie out!
   DIR By: Shoop
       Date: March 5, 2014, 6:15 pm
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       ...says Celestial who was a part of the biggest abuseclan in the
       history of STC (StH) and now joined the biggest abuseclan in the
       history of Europe (Whis). Just because we rebel and form
       different clans to counter the powerabuse we havent had a long
       period of constant abuse like in US East. Thats why Europe is
       still alive and thats why everyone should leave CsB.
       #Post#: 3637--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New CsB movie out!
   DIR By: Celestial_One
       Date: March 5, 2014, 6:33 pm
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       ... says Shoop, the biggest abuser, rager in the entirety of
       sheep tag, who has ruined, backstabbed, threatened, and caused
       more betrayals than anyone, and who holds the title of most
       hated person on battle.net 6 years running.
       Yeah shoop! Sheep tag is dead on east because of StH!
       Sick logic as usual!
       Any bimbo would realize that sheep tag is as you put it "alive"
       on europe, and let's be frank, there are maybe 50 "active"
       players, half of which are from NA. If I was to uphold the same
       standard of logic as you, then I'd say sheep tag was FLOURISHING
       before europe corrupted and destroyed the sheep tag community.
       There were public sheep tag games back then! Look at what europe
       has done to our precious game! Ever since the first european
       sheep tag clan the community has gone immensely downhill!
       Disgusting europeans ruined my favorite game!
       I'm gonna be completely honest. My dota 2 guild of 50 people is
       more active than the entirety of the remaining sheep tag
       community who still plays sheep tag. There are inhouses running
       (10 people + observers) or 5 man parties at ANY time of the day.
       Oh how sheep tag has fallen, and oh how deluded the remaining
       have become.
       #Post#: 3638--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New CsB movie out!
   DIR By: Shoop
       Date: March 5, 2014, 6:51 pm
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       Lol? Who have I backstabbed/betrayed? Name one person and
       explain how. In opposite of most people in this community I have
       a completley clean trackrecord when it comes to that. The fact
       that you bring such accusations just show how disgustingly easy
       it is to brainwash you. Before it was drew, now its Exalius you
       follow blindly.
       How am I in anywhere NEAR the abuserate of people like yourself,
       drew, Exalius, polar, Pab and so on?
       No ST isnt dead on US East because of StH, its dead because
       other players accepted what you did in StH. It became the
       natural order that it was okey to kick/ban people for fun. To
       not allow flames against certain persons and essentially to let
       people have power with no accountability. That have never been
       the case in Europe. The few times we have had actual systematic
       abuse is Whis and now CsB. Whis was taken down eventually and
       now CsB will share the same destiny.
       And I can only repeat this, no StH wasnt the reason US East
       died. People sharing your attitude was. "Clans just fight, its
       better to not be in any/it doesnt matter which Im in." THIS is
       the attitude that allows abuse. Sit down and think about what
       you think is right and wrong. Figure it out for yourself. Dont
       just accept what people say and do because they are in power.
       Question them. Find out their reasons. Be critical. Your
       attitude matters. This have been the ideology of Europe while
       the opposite have been true for US East. If we oversimplify
       things.
       #Post#: 3639--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New CsB movie out!
   DIR By: XXXandBEER
       Date: March 5, 2014, 6:56 pm
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       --- Quote from: Celestial_One link ---
       >
       > I'm gonna be completely honest. My dota 2 guild of 50 people
       is more active than the entirety of the remaining sheep tag
       community who still plays sheep tag. There are inhouses running
       (10 people + observers) or 5 man parties at ANY time of the day.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       How is this relevant? Not to mention Dota 2 is a standalone game
       and sheep tag is a custom game, but
       Dota 2 came out July 9th, 2013
       Warcraft III came out July 3rd, 2002
       Over 11 YEARS!!! Come back in 11 years and tell me how much your
       precious guild plays.
       If your guild was less active than the STC now then Dota 2 is
       way ****tier then I thought.
       On a side note the video clearly showed Jean banning Sidey then
       you say in your video "join the rebellion like jean and baiten".
       Also why is it always Sidey being kicked etc? Shoop sucky sucky
       Sidey for 5 dolla?
       #Post#: 3640--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New CsB movie out!
   DIR By: Shoop
       Date: March 5, 2014, 6:59 pm
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       JM and Baiten realized the errors in CsB:s way. Its not the bans
       by themselves. Its the system within CsB that allows it to go
       on. I didnt have any screenshots saved, I think all the
       kicks/bans are from within a week with maybe one or two
       exceptions. Which ofc is insane.
       #Post#: 3641--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New CsB movie out!
   DIR By: Chakra
       Date: March 5, 2014, 11:11 pm
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       Your analysis for the death of East & West is shit and
       completely non-rational. CsB has dominated ST on Europe for
       what? Three years? Guess what, they've been abusive the entire
       time frame of that.
       Rational story:
       1) East and West most likely (I don't have historical evidence)
       had substantially less players. Today it is without question
       that Europe is roughly 2-3 times the size of East, which is
       roughly twice the size of West in terms of active players. Asia
       is about 10% - 20% larger than Europe. If we assume that the
       proportions haven't changed widely, it's pretty safe to say
       Europe was much larger than the American servers ever were. This
       point explains the order in which servers died (and Europe will
       probably "die" before Asia).
       2) For "East and West abuse" to have been a substantial factor
       in decay, it would have been an effect across the entire
       servers, not just within the ST Community. Europe's custom games
       communities have more players in just about any other server
       (with possible exception of Asia). Even their ladder, as I
       understand it, has the most players.
       3) West (STers) could completely die out because Westies could
       move East to find more players. East could completely die out
       because Easties (and thus some Westies) could move to Europe to
       find players. Europe can't completely die out because they can't
       find more players elsewhere (for now). Now it's just going
       through very slow population death. Find Sheep Tag an another
       free client with similar game play and a larger community and
       Europe will die very quickly. This explains how servers can
       completely die, yet the last one remain standing so long.
       Sure, abuse probably hastens death, but realize that the major
       reports of abuse is, generally, against people from other
       servers. Until Sidey started his war, it was mainly Americans
       being abused by CsBers (at least they made headlines). Shoop
       points out massive abuse by StH which I, frankly, don't see
       anywhere near the scale of CsB. From what I know, StH never
       really held long term bans but rather banned on a somewhat
       arbitrary (still abusive, but not systemically so) basis.
       Further, StH never held a monopoly on hostbots, yet somehow
       garnered a monoploy on players - how? (Hint, probably because we
       weren't systemically abusive.)
       I'd also like to point out that there may be significant
       cultural differences between Americans and Europeans/Asians,
       though I don't have any factual evidence for these following
       arguments. Europeans may a) generally be more willing to buy/try
       old games and b) have a large, yet shrinking, impoverished
       population (thus they can no afford computer games). I simply am
       confused on how there are still "new players" at all.
       Either way, abuse is bad. #sheepmaiden
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