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#Post#: 2504--------------------------------------------------
EXILING/BANNING/KICKING issue -- Mikes Fix
DIR By: Alph4bet
Date: November 1, 2013, 10:27 pm
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--- Quote from: Spoofy link ---
>
> what an extremely vague statement. without CsB sheeptag would
not be active at the moment. also, for the most part the players
we ban, we have good reason to ban. a simple analogy, people
hate on cops, they trash talk them and call them idiots, but
when they are no longer there, everything goes to chaos.
>
--- End Quote ---
Exiling banning and kicking people from games and/or major
channels(SoR/CsB/Behh/StH) is a serious offence. The only people
who should have positions of power within these channels and/or
games should be mature and cool headed. Not Some raged up 13
year old spoilt, **** of a girl having her first period all over
her dads face.
Exiling people who are deliberately not adding any value and
hindering the community I have no problem with, nor should
anyone else. For example Jaspur: He should be exiled, he does
not like Sheep Tag, he wont play it, he has no reason to be
anywhere near the community now he's started warbotting. If
you're friends with him fine, he's not allowed in our channels,
nor our games. There will be no second chance for him. He'll be
banned until he's 18 and can think in a mature fashion(Maybe
21).
Exiling people like Hawkeys and Tollison is not allowed and
should be ceased immediately. I'm not saying what they have done
in the past is inexcusable, however indefinitely banning them is
out of the question.
To ban someone indefinitely for what some people would consider
"Game ruining" without giving them a proper chance is taking one
player away from a game that is currently populated with 50
active Sheep Taggers.
You are also banning upon personal grievances and to take that a
step further you will simply kick a person for not being as good
or not liking that person. Now this attitude is a disease in
Sheep Tag, because what you are effectively doing is excluding
people from games, which makes them want to leave. If they do
leave then we have less than what we do now. Eventually there
will be 12 sheep taggers actively playing because that's all
that can fit into a game. Wouldn't it be better if we could have
say 5 st parties going on at the same time?! I have another plan
to fix this in another thread located here
HTML http://sheeptag.createaforum.com/community-discussion/st-parties!-we-need-to-make-these-better-too/
The following is the plan for a controlled banning system
Game ruining can be as follows:
1. Deliberately tking your sheep member(This can be joking
around, but if the person you are doing it to doesn't enjoy this
joke, he can report you).
2. Going afk as Shepherd because you are bored. If it's for a
legitimate reason, then ask for permission, it will be granted,
otherwise if permission is not granted you can be reported.
3. Leaving before fair is done, If a few Sheep haven't had a
turn in the game, and someone has to go, that person is allowed
to leave, provided that he tells the rest of the people in the
game and is genuin. That person will not be allowed in the
remake though, because that person had to leave. Otherwise if it
isn't a scenario like that one then you can be reported.
4. Deliberately letting Sheep pass you, if you are complaining
the whole game and then let a sheep pass you and you have no lag
etc.. You can be reported.
5. Pausing during Run ST(Run Tag) intervals in hopes to kill
said Run ster(Run tagger).
6. Saving during Run St(Run Tag) intervals in hopes to kill said
Run ster(Run tagger).
ALSO NOTE THIS LIST ISN'T COMPLETE THESE ARE THE ONLY SCENARIOS
THAT I CAN THINK OF AT THE MOMENT, SHOULD ANYONE ELSE POSE ONE
THAT SOUNDS LOGICAL, IT WILL BE ADDED TO THIS LIST.
Warning: If you request a ban on a player and the majority on
the forums agree that it was insufficient to warrant a ban, the
person who instigated this ban is now not allowed to report/bans
for the rest of the night. So be careful before you deem it
bannable. If there are repeat offences of this happening that
person will not allowed to report bans for 48 hours, each time
doubling until you are no longer capable of making any decisions
in this area at all.
Short term, one game bans
From now on, no matter who you are, whether you are a leader in
this community or Hawkeys, if you deliberately ruin a game and
everyone agrees that you did, you're not allowed in the remake,
A short 1 game ban.
In order for this ban to happen the replay and time location of
the deliberate ruin must be posted on these forums as soon as
possible. I'm sure I can get Sidey to put together a section for
it. You may commence the one game ban immediately(before waiting
for people on the forum to agree) that's only provided that the
majority in the game agree(Take screen shot of the majority
agreeing). You must upload the replay asap.
Midterm bans, Two days - One week bans
In order for this to happen you need to have repeat offences of
game ruining and ruined the game more than once and are
currently a casual game ruiner. Once again the replay must be
submitted and the time of the offence posted, a short 1 game ban
will commence immediately, the rest of the ban will commence
after the replay has been checked by a few on this forum. Or 80%
of people who were in that game. Screen shots of the people
agreeing must be posted here. In order to get the one game ban.
Longterm bans Two weeks - One month
In order for this to happen you need to have repeat offences of
game ruining, be a casual game ruiner and have had the midterm
bans placed upon you already with no improvements. The same
steps of reporting these bans are to be followed from the
midterm ban steps. Once again these bans aren't immediately
enforced, they are only enforced after the replay has been
submitted, only a short one game ban will be enforced until
then.
Additional information about the controlled system
ALL BANNED PLAYERS AREN'T EXILED FROM THE COMMUNITY, NOR WILL
THEY EVER BE, They still may participate in games provided that
a: no one else is on to join the game and it's not full, if they
are and they want to join, that spot that the banned player
occupies is now that other players.
b: everyone in the game agrees(100% of people agree he can play,
this player may need to do a lot of ass licking).
These players may also reside in channels, if they abuse their
time in the channels then they may be kicked from said channel
and/or banned. But they wont be booted from the channel based on
something that happened in a game.
Ban appeals for mid - long term bans may be heard and it's up to
the community to judge whether you've learned your lesson.
Anyone who kicks a person for another person should have bot
access removed immediately.
Anyone caught banning people without any justification once
again will have bot access removed immediately.
All replays/the time of the offence and the picture must be
posted before any banning commences.
Edit: Added Rule Scenario 5 and 6.
#Post#: 2505--------------------------------------------------
Re: EXILING/BANNING/KICKING issue -- Mikes Fix
DIR By: Alph4bet
Date: November 1, 2013, 10:28 pm
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HAVING SAID THIS, FREE HAWKEYS, HE'S LEARNED HIS LESSON!
Also pola, stop booting Tollison otherwise CMK will remove you
from the bot access.
Having said this, I have replays of you ruining games pola, I am
willing to post them if need be, but i'd rather us just start
off fresh.
EVERYONE!!!!
#Post#: 2508--------------------------------------------------
Re: EXILING/BANNING/KICKING issue -- Mikes Fix
DIR By: Tollison
Date: November 1, 2013, 11:04 pm
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We need more people like you, Alpha. Nothing but reason comes
out of you.
#Post#: 2522--------------------------------------------------
Re: EXILING/BANNING/KICKING issue -- Mikes Fix
DIR By: SKiLL_OwnZ-
Date: November 2, 2013, 5:46 am
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WHAT?
Letting sheep pass = being reported?
Like really?
We human beings, we are not flawless, everyone makes mistakes.
#Post#: 2530--------------------------------------------------
Re: EXILING/BANNING/KICKING issue -- Mikes Fix
DIR By: 008
Date: November 2, 2013, 10:49 am
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--- Quote from: SKiLL_OwnZ- link ---
>
> WHAT?
> Letting sheep pass = being reported?
> Like really?
> We human beings, we are not flawless, everyone makes mistakes.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Deliberately letting Sheep pass you
#Post#: 2534--------------------------------------------------
Re: EXILING/BANNING/KICKING issue -- Mikes Fix
DIR By: Spoofy
Date: November 2, 2013, 2:24 pm
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--- Quote ---
> Exiling banning and kicking people from games and/or major
channels(SoR/CsB/Behh/StH) is a serious offence. The only people
who should have positions of power within these channels and/or
games should be mature and cool headed. Not Some raged up 13
year old spoilt, **** of a girl having her first period all over
her dads face.
--- End Quote ---
-sheepgod
response: exiling and banning players from their bots is their
choice. for example, i own hiddensand, i pay (REAL $$) for the
bot, i am allowed to ban who i want. however, players may deem
this "hitler" or "community wrecker". But i rarely ban players,
and if i do, i have justification for the ban whether its a
personal or community-involved ban. And again, its a bot i pay
for with actual money. on the other hand, i will agree that its
a serious offence when a player who does not own the bot
kicks/bans players for no reason.
i have never banned or kicked anyone from CsB channel. only
things i have kicked from CsB is jaspur bots and ghod bots, or
other spammers. i may pretend to act like a raging mongo in
game, but for the most part i am completely calm. ask anyone who
i TS with, i am only joking 99% of the time. i am just going to
ignore the last part of your sentence, disgusting.
--- Quote ---
> Exiling people like Hawkeys and Tollison is not allowed and
should be ceased immediately. I'm not saying what they have done
in the past is inexcusable, however indefinitely banning them is
out of the question.
--- End Quote ---
-sheepgod
response: i exiled hawkys. i NEVER exiled tollison. also, hawkys
very easily could have been unbanned, all i asked for was an
apology. "sorry" is the not hard to type, especially for a
mature person. however, hawkys is not mature and it took him
almost two months to say "sorry" in chat, other times i asked
for an apology he would flame like a mongoloid.
--- Quote ---
>
> The following is the plan for a controlled banning system
> Game ruining can be as follows:
> 1. Deliberately tking your sheep member(This can be joking
around, but if the person you are doing it to doesn't enjoy this
joke, he can report you).
> 2. Going afk as Shepherd because you are bored. If it's for a
legitimate reason, then ask for permission, it will be granted,
otherwise if permission is not granted you can be reported.
> 3. Leaving before fair is done, If one Sheep hasn't had a turn
and it's got 10 players in the game, and someone has to go, that
person is allowed to leave, provided that he tells the rest of
the people in the game. That person will not be allowed in the
remake though, because that person had to leave. Otherwise if it
isn't a scenario like that one then you can be reported.
> 4. Deliberately letting Sheep pass you, if you are complaining
the whole game and then let a sheep pass you and you have no lag
etc.. You can be reported.
> ALSO NOTE THIS LIST ISN'T COMPLETE THESE ARE THE ONLY
SCENARIOS THAT I CAN THINK OF AT THE MOMENT, SHOULD ANYONE ELSE
POSE ONE THAT SOUNDS LOGICAL, IT WILL BE ADDED TO THIS LIST.
>
> Warning: If you request a ban on a player and the majority on
the forums agree that it was insufficient to warrant a ban, the
person who instigated this ban is now not allowed to report/bans
for the rest of the night. So be careful before you deem it
bannable. If there are repeat offences of this happening that
person will not allowed to report bans for 48 hours, each time
doubling until you are no longer capable of making any decisions
in this area at all.
>
> Short term, one game bans
> From now on, no matter who you are, whether you are a leader
in this community or Hawkeys, if you deliberately ruin a game
and everyone agrees that you did, you're not allowed in the
remake, A short 1 game ban.
>
> In order for this ban to happen the replay and time location
of the deliberate ruin must be posted on these forums as soon as
possible. I'm sure I can get Sidey to put together a section for
it. You may commence the one game ban immediately(before waiting
for people on the forum to agree) that's only provided that the
majority in the game agree(Take screen shot of the majority
agreeing). You must upload the replay asap.
>
> Midterm bans, Two days - One week bans
> In order for this to happen you need to have repeat offences
of game ruining and ruined the game more than once and are
currently a casual game ruiner. Once again the replay must be
submitted and the time of the offence posted, a short 1 game ban
will commence immediately, the rest of the ban will commence
after the replay has been checked by a few on this forum. Or 80%
of people who were in that game. Screen shots of the people
agreeing must be posted here. In order to get the one game ban.
>
> Longterm bans Two weeks - One month
> In order for this to happen you need to have repeat offences
of game ruining, be a casual game ruiner and have had the
midterm bans placed upon you already with no improvements. The
same steps of reporting these bans are to be followed from the
midterm ban steps. Once again these bans aren't immediately
enforced, they are only enforced after the replay has been
submitted, only a short one game ban will be enforced until
then.
>
> Additional information about the controlled system
> ALL BANNED PLAYERS AREN'T EXILED FROM THE COMMUNITY, NOR WILL
THEY EVER BE, They still may participate in games provided that
> a: no one else is on to join the game and it's not full, if
they are and they want to join, that spot that the banned player
occupies is now that other players.
> b: everyone in the game agrees(100% of people agree he can
play, this player may need to do a lot of ass licking).
>
> These players may also reside in channels, if they abuse their
time in the channels then they may be kicked from said channel
and/or banned. But they wont be booted from the channel based on
something that happened in a game.
>
> Ban appeals for mid - long term bans may be heard and it's up
to the community to judge whether you've learned your lesson.
>
> Anyone who kicks a person for another person should have bot
access removed immediately.
> Anyone caught banning people without any justification once
again will have bot access removed immediately.
> All replays/the time of the offence and the picture must be
posted before any banning commences.
>
--- End Quote ---
-sheepgod
response: i do not see anyone following this plan of action for
bans. its too complex for the community to follow. we are barely
getting replays sent in for sheep tag top5 plays. all the best
and good luck though.
#Post#: 2536--------------------------------------------------
Re: EXILING/BANNING/KICKING issue -- Mikes Fix
DIR By: Chakra
Date: November 2, 2013, 2:30 pm
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Spoofy, note that I wholly agree that since you pay for your
bot, you can do anything you really want with it, as this is
essentially the same argument I made that since I was the map
developer, I could do anything I wanted with the map.
However, realize that your hostbot exists within a context. If
you wish them to be viewed as "community" bots rather "personal"
bots, then rules should apply to them. Realize that, in the
past, bots had been monopolized many times over, and when they
get too abusive, it is common to switch to new bots (Behh to
WhiS, WhiS to free market, etc). You can lose more than just
your monopoly.
#Post#: 2537--------------------------------------------------
Re: EXILING/BANNING/KICKING issue -- Mikes Fix
DIR By: Spoofy
Date: November 2, 2013, 3:58 pm
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--- Quote ---
> Spoofy, note that I wholly agree that since you pay for your
bot, you can do anything you really want with it, as this is
essentially the same argument I made that since I was the map
developer, I could do anything I wanted with the map.
>
> However, realize that your hostbot exists within a context. If
you wish them to be viewed as "community" bots rather "personal"
bots, then rules should apply to them. Realize that, in the
past, bots had been monopolized many times over, and when they
get too abusive, it is common to switch to new bots (Behh to
WhiS, WhiS to free market, etc). You can lose more than just
your monopoly.
--- End Quote ---
- chakra
yes, i understand your point chakra, boycotting my bot is a
simple solution to the so called "hitler" of banning 1 player.
it would be much like boycotting your updated maps if you were
to ignore players opinions. i will take into consideration
making rules and i will also start to monitor players actions in
banning/kicking, admins will be removed if they are being
abusive.
however, i will defend myself, and i will defend most of CsB, i
am not afraid to refute a players comment because they have a
"title" in this community. sheepgod made a very vague statement.
its stereo-typing when you consider ALL CsB players to be
hitler, or any other form of derogatory title.
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Re: EXILING/BANNING/KICKING issue -- Mikes Fix
DIR By: HaWkys
Date: November 2, 2013, 4:06 pm
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Spoofy its not like u didnt flame me also, and u let many people
stay banned. However you now let me play and i hope we can play
st in peace together
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Re: EXILING/BANNING/KICKING issue -- Mikes Fix
DIR By: Alph4bet
Date: November 3, 2013, 5:14 am
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--- Quote from: Spoofy link ---
>
> Sheepgod made a very vague statement. its stereo-typing when
you consider ALL CsB players to be hitler, or any other form of
derogatory title.
>
--- End Quote ---
Such statement was not said in this topic. Such statement was
said before two or three comments were deleted from my map
development topic, where they were calling me a Hitler map
maker, stating they would boycott the map, not telling me what
they think is wrong and why those changes are for the bad. Not
holding any real debate about the subject, nor the willingness
to test it(Btw I'm not talking about JM, he brought his fears
and attempted to tell me what they were, hence why his comments
weren't removed.). When the community is at an all time low, to
have this negativity only deters me. These few idiots have
already chased away heaps of people who care about this game.
Also from observation after seeing that you do have a monopoly
on the game hosting market, people in csb are booting for no
reason. CMK isn't, wasn't calling him Hitler, or you Spoofy. Was
calling the few in CsB who were. Where these people who are in a
power position tend to abuse said power for no valid reason.
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