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#Post#: 61--------------------------------------------------
Best sheeptagger in history - a TRIAL with Evidence!
DIR By: Chiefhero[sks]
Date: July 30, 2013, 7:03 am
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Let's continue the epic debate. this is my attempt to end the
discussion once and for all, there will be no more arguments, no
more mystery; only knowledge. we're gonna examine the evidence,
go over the circumstances surrounding the evidence, and then
conclude.
I've had these images for years now, serving 3 purposes: 1)
collecting dust on my HDD, 2) giving me smiles, and 3) being
ready to knock out anyone attempting to rewrite history. it's
time to put a checkmark on 3) now.
[center]!!!!! The Evidence !!!!!:[/center]
HTML http://i.imgur.com/L4boHH2.jpg
HTML http://i.imgur.com/HREYBA1.jpg
HTML http://i.imgur.com/IwFfbN6.jpg
HTML http://i.imgur.com/GamS2JR.jpg
HTML http://i.imgur.com/7vLcrIw.jpg
HTML http://i.imgur.com/5QYdxlG.jpg
HTML http://i.imgur.com/4yVPjom.jpg
HTML http://i.imgur.com/o44f8zo.jpg
HTML http://i.imgur.com/QGzmczK.jpg
HTML http://i.imgur.com/ia9UxN6.jpg
HTML http://i.imgur.com/ZQEg9xm.jpg
HTML http://i.imgur.com/AK1zYOn.jpg
HTML http://i.imgur.com/julrhLW.jpg
HTML http://i.imgur.com/zmdAJMR.jpg
HTML http://i.imgur.com/HPAA468.jpg
HTML http://i.imgur.com/cHH4cs1.jpg
HTML http://i.imgur.com/QXdA0VD.jpg
HTML http://i.imgur.com/nBroE8U.jpg
HTML http://i.imgur.com/ouYwF1K.jpg
HTML http://i.imgur.com/I0jcFYN.jpg
HTML http://i.imgur.com/Z38GDOo.jpg
HTML http://i.imgur.com/UMZFmRU.jpg
HTML http://i.imgur.com/KfpMtIi.jpg
HTML http://i.imgur.com/KJgdCZT.jpg
HTML http://i.imgur.com/RsRmo5a.jpg
[center]!!!! The Circumstances !!!!:[/center]
1) There are alot more printscreens following the same rankings.
I tried to limit the evidence to big/famous names, names that
current players can largely relate to. Most of the older players
quit ages ago, and many of you have never heard of them.
2) All the printscreens were taken during periods of large ST
activity. These are not propaganda attempts years after the
fact.
3) Most of these printscreens were taken when I, chiefhero, had
little influence or non-skill related respect. I was considered
low intelligence, I wasn't chieftain of any clans, I had no
power. This is important to understand because all my
competetiton (sidey, drew, shoop, chaise, cow etc.) were
clan-leaders, had alot of fans/followers, had much influence and
power on their realms, and so on.
4) Most of these printscreens were taken when I, chiefhero, had
0 involvement in ST politics. I didn't try to gain votes through
friendships/threats, I wasn't fighting for terretory or members
in my clan; I simply played and enjoyed the game. In contrast,
all my competetion was heavily involved in ST politics, all of
them were respected for non-skill related attributes
(intelligence, education/knowledge, charisma, power), and the
list goes on.
5) The community was rather young at the time(somewhat naive as
a whole) - non-skill related attributes and friendships DID have
an effect on how the players ranked eachother.
6) Important point! These rankings, and players evaluation on
eachother, were not based on 1 tourney performance, 1 st video,
or a few weeks of gameplay. Everyone had seen me/my competition
play for years, in runtag games, in tourneys, in delay, in our
own host, with various allies/opponents, and so on.
[center]!!!!The Conclusion!!!!:[/center]
The general consensus has always been that I'm the greatest.
People sometimes rank themselves above me. a few Easties had a
tendency to rank drew above/right below me. a few Euros had a
tendency to rank sidey above/right below me. But even when we
isolate the realms, the consensus on Euro was amir or sidey(amir
or drew in a few cases), the consensus on east was amir or drew.
The fact that euro and east differ on their evaluation of drew
and sidey is well explained by point 3, 4 and 5 under the
circumstances. Nothing explains why both realms had me as the
best/second best other than my performance ingame. When we don't
isolate the realms and look purely at overall community
consensus, there is no question that people ranked me on top.
So, the ST rankings through history (based on consensus,
observations and testemony - not necesserely my personal ranks)
is:
1) Amir
2) Drew
3) Sidey
4) Shoop
5) Cow
I know that consensus doesn't always represent reality. There is
alot more evidence to be covered to support my conclusion. We'll
save that for later. Atleast we can finally agree on who the
community - as a whole - always though was the best ST player (a
few exceptions is natural). I, CHIEFHERO, am the greatest of all
time until further examination has been done.
Does anyone have evidence, arguments or reasons to believe my
conclusion is wrong? I'll go over win-record, tourney
performances, old vs new players and so on if the current case
i've put up is found to be flawed or insufficient.
#Post#: 63--------------------------------------------------
Re: Best sheeptagger in history - a TRIAL with Evidence!
DIR By: Night
Date: July 30, 2013, 7:28 am
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I read everything and i dont agree/disagree with any of it , but
i just want to point out that if you compare me and u , I became
pro in 2009 and i had a little time to prove im really ranked nr
1 where as u can get mass 'evidence' from 2006/2007/2008 etc.
This is why its kind of unfair looking from my point of view and
many other notable players who started in 2009/2010 etc.
Anyway good thread, i'll leave it to people who were around in
2006/2007 to prove you wrong/right.
#Post#: 66--------------------------------------------------
Re: Best sheeptagger in history - a TRIAL with Evidence!
DIR By: FaIIen-GoD
Date: July 30, 2013, 8:02 am
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I can tell there were many good laughs from the past and
practically the majority of the posts consisted in the point of
relating to u being the best masser in euro which i disagree
with, maybe u have been better than sid, u just aint as good in
my opinion.
Surprisingly ur post has also benefited me as where peoples
mention the top 5 ranks of both east and euro and Night didnt
believe it was displayed anywhere, i hope u feel silly now Night
^^.
#Post#: 67--------------------------------------------------
Re: Best sheeptagger in history - a TRIAL with Evidence!
DIR By: Map
Date: July 30, 2013, 8:04 am
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Indeed. Amir got some nice material. I really like your prooves.
They involve the years 2007 untill 2012.
to Night - the thread is named best Sheeptagger in history, so
every year has an important role to the answer.
People who I would nominate/mention for sure are:
Exalius, Amir, Chaise, Shoop, Drew, Traxx, Cmk, Sidey.
It is really hard to rank the best of ever. Everyone is good in
their aspect like..
Exa at teamwork, Shoop at wolfing. Whatever.
But I have to say.. Exalius has always been my favourite
Sheeptagger. He always takes care to his allies. He helps, risks
and gives all he got to let them survive. He actually plays
smart and is no egoist ( e.g. golding ).
I STILL rank CandyManKiller #1 because he is overall the best.
He is dominating Sheep Tag for over 3 years now and he is still
the best. If you are with him you will survive longer. Even if
his teamwork is not as good as Exalius' he is the guy I would
ALWAYS take as first. You can always count on him.
#Post#: 68--------------------------------------------------
Re: Best sheeptagger in history - a TRIAL with Evidence!
DIR By: Night
Date: July 30, 2013, 8:22 am
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trollpro stop making a fool out of yourself. almost every
screenshot/post dates back to 2007/2008/2009 etc, only one of
them is from 2012 and if i recall im in the list?. I didnt play
sheep tag back in 2007 and i started st in 2008 so ofc i wasn't
rated back then.
Point is if you think the best player must be the one who played
since 2005 then ofc i can't compete, but this is the same as
saying that messi can't be nominated for best player of all time
because he didn't play when maradona did. KNOCK OUT.
But yeah its time to stop focusing on me and focus on the player
u actually nominate to be the best. I never asked for you to
vote me, i just stated my own opinion.
P.S trollpro stop posting , ur really embarrasing yourself
infront of everyone. I'm not answering any more of your posts
because they prove no value or quality whatsoever.
#Post#: 71--------------------------------------------------
Re: Best sheeptagger in history - a TRIAL with Evidence!
DIR By: Chiefhero[sks]
Date: July 30, 2013, 8:51 am
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in my mind, there are only 2 periods in ST worth talking about;
2006 era, and 2012 era (with fresh blood like traxx, grim,
night, exa, as well as old legends coming back after years of
inactivity). I've posted consensus from both of these periods
from the biggest names.
a few exceptions here and there is fully expected. a few people
might think cmk is the best, a few might put sidey, a few might
put trollpro. We have to look at the overall pattern in the
community to exclude bias, friendships and lack of insight to
the best of our ability. this is also the reason i posted my
screenshots of chaise, shoop, drew, cow etc, because they're
allegedly "intelligent" and "unbiased" in their evaluation,
atleast moreso than most other players. i have a billion
printscreens of toilets going "AMIR IS BEST!", but as i already
said, i tried to limit the evidence to big names whos opinion is
generally respected. ANYONE can get a few toilets screaming "Yee
ur best :)", what really makes a statement is having all top
players saying you're the best.
we also have to look at the period where everyone played. cmk is
naturally going to have more support when everyone else quit
1.5-2 years ago. Cmk isn't much better today than he was in 2012
however, and I dont remember cmk being ranked or picked before
me or other big names when we all played together in 2012. Cmk
was considered t1, but i think me/chaise/exa were the most
frequent first picks in st games, followed by cmk grim traxx
night etc.
Keep in mind that i've only discussed community consensus so far
(who the community thinks is best). I have not analyzed actual
gameplay, win record or other historical events. but one of the
sentral points in my original post is precisely that the
community HAS seen everyone play for years when they made
rankings. I'll quote:
[quote=Chiefhero[sks]]6) Important point! These rankings, and
players evaluation on eachother, were not based on 1 tourney
performance, 1 st video, or a few weeks of gameplay. Everyone
had seen me/my competition play for years, in runtag games, in
tourneys, in delay, in our own host, with various
allies/opponents, and so on. [/quote]
the whole point behind the printscreens is that, while its
extremely hard for us to evaluate gameplay today (amir vs drew
for instance, we'd have to look at 1000 replays to get a
sufficient understanding of their skill), we can extrapolate
this data from the community consensus. if everyone said that i
was the best, its VERY likely that they weren't mistaken - much
less when you account for the odds that were against me(and FOR
my competition), as i pointed out in point 3), 4) and 5) in my
first post.
btw, free picture of trollpro:
HTML http://i.imgur.com/83S5JIC.jpg
as i said, anyone can get toilets to scream ''ur best'', because
toilets aren't objective or unbiased. make chaise or drew say
that you're the best (joking excluded ofc) and we'll take you
serious. if there are people today who claim cmk is best player
in history (or anyone else is best), chances are that i have a
printscreen somewhere of the same player calling me the best a
few years back.
Now. Is anyone going to destroy me, or can we accept "chiefhero
is the greatest of all time" as the most reasonable conclusion
given the evidence at hand? Ahooyyy ^^
#Post#: 73--------------------------------------------------
Re: Best sheeptagger in history - a TRIAL with Evidence!
DIR By: SHEePYTaGGeRNeP
Date: July 30, 2013, 9:36 am
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I think people forgot about me in their list.
Was it because every1 already knows im the true number one and
you are all fighting over the number #2 spot ye?
It's sort of like I am God, nobody includes God in their list
either.
Like dude that killed most people was Hitler #1, but God killed
everyone :D
#Post#: 75--------------------------------------------------
Re: Best sheeptagger in history - a TRIAL with Evidence!
DIR By: FaIIen-GoD
Date: July 30, 2013, 11:57 am
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I find it hillarious that as soon as i got something on Night he
attacks me like a wild animal and claims im making a fool out of
myself, seriously, who dosen't find that ironic??
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