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#Post#: 1527--------------------------------------------------
Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
DIR By: SHEePYTaGGeRNeP
Date: September 25, 2013, 2:59 am
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--- Quote from: Chakra link ---
>
> Divisions/leagues are stupid in a ranking system. Should
either use a hard rank number (can separate into region if you
want), perhaps an ELO, or a percentile.
>
--- End Quote ---
There was an ELO system, but they changed it into this.
And I agree with BEER no w/l or rating = no competitive shit
with your friends to brag about.
#Post#: 1529--------------------------------------------------
Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
DIR By: Chiefhero[sks]
Date: September 25, 2013, 5:39 am
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1) there is w/l and competetive in Dota2. people have a chance
to make their statistics private though, to avoid being stalked
after every game they play. most people don't put their profile
on private, and you can see W/L on third party sources, as well
as peoples history, their records, friends they play with. you
can also see various ranks "highest winrate/most games played",
you can see history and w/l of all teams(amateur teams too).
wots de problem? what exactly is it dota2 doesn't have that
you're so dependant on?
you didn't mind that sheeptag didn't have a ranking for all
these years? these "objective rankings" are usually bullshit
anyway and can be manipulated easily, such as the DotaCash
rankings where low players managed to get ranks they didn't
deserve by a longshot. but yeah, for all "competing with friends
and sharing stats" purposes; dota2 fills all requirements.
2) LoL has a higher playerbase because the game is easier, you
can ''cheat'' legally (paying real money to get better
characters/grinding for runes). most people seem to like these
type of games (same reason WoW was so massive), where your
performance can be influenced by brute factors rather than
skill/understanding being the only factors. it sais nothing
about the quality of the game, and that should be particularily
obvious within the context of our community, as sheeptag was
always peanut-size compared to much worse games that had a
larger playerbase.
3) i have no question that itio got the highest skillbracket in
our community, based on some of the opponents i've seen him
face. but as I already pointed out in 1), stuff like this can
easily be manipulated. if you play with pro friends for
instance, you'll get to brackets you don't belong in, and if you
play with trash friends, you'll get in brackets below what you'd
be in if you played by yourself. it also depends on how hard you
try. some people only pick the heroes that are considered
strong/''overpowered'' in the current version of the games,
while others only play heroes that have fun spells. then you
have people who play -random most of their game. all of this
(there are other ways too) influences what bracket you get in.
#Post#: 1534--------------------------------------------------
Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
DIR By: SHEePYTaGGeRNeP
Date: September 25, 2013, 8:42 am
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--- Quote from: Chiefhero[sks ---
> link=topic=136.msg1529#msg1529 date=1380105544]
> 2) LoL has a higher playerbase because the game is easier, you
can ''cheat'' legally (paying real money to get better
characters/grinding for runes). most people seem to like these
type of games (same reason WoW was so massive), where your
performance can be influenced by brute factors rather than
skill/understanding being the only factors. it sais nothing
about the quality of the game, and that should be particularily
obvious within the context of our community, as sheeptag was
always peanut-size compared to much worse games that had a
larger playerbase.
--- End Quote ---
Do know that this only works in the early levels, when you are
level 30 you can start playing ranked and you'll get matched
with people > 600 games so "cheating" doesnt have any effect
anymore.
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Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
DIR By: I_think_I_own
Date: September 25, 2013, 1:01 pm
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--- Quote from: koala link ---
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> ROFL ITIO??? Your skill bracket is higher than mine? I've seen
the people you match... I just never play on my own anymore but
I've been in very high for ages. Not that means anything you
still get trash and idiots on your team. But yeah I'm pretty
sure Valve is working out something soon because they've just
taken away the Normal, High and Very High.
>
--- End Quote ---
i already explained how i know im in the highest skill bracket
lol. im frequently on the top page with a lot of spectators,
which i highly doubt u ever were
#Post#: 1546--------------------------------------------------
Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
DIR By: XXXandBEER
Date: September 25, 2013, 7:28 pm
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--- Quote from: Chiefhero[sks ---
> link=topic=136.msg1529#msg1529 date=1380105544]
> 2) LoL has a higher playerbase because the game is easier, you
can ''cheat'' legally (paying real money to get better
characters/grinding for runes). most people seem to like these
type of games (same reason WoW was so massive), where your
performance can be influenced by brute factors rather than
skill/understanding being the only factors. it sais nothing
about the quality of the game, and that should be particularily
obvious within the context of our community, as sheeptag was
always peanut-size compared to much worse games that had a
larger playerbase.
>
--- End Quote ---
Your perception of how much paying money affects game play in
League of Legends is absurd. The only thing you can buy are
Champions/Skins. Skins = Do nothing for you in-game other in
appearance. Buying Champions does NOTHING for you if you are not
good with that Champion. Every Champion is suppose to be
"Balanced" and the price of a champion does not effect how
strong that champion is. Runes/Stat upgrades can only be
purchased with IP and typically once you reach LVL 30 you have
earned enough IP to buy the best Runes.
And I agree with you on the fact that easier games are played by
more people. If you notice Dota was always the most played game
on Wc3 because it was the easiest same reason why Sheep Tag is
and was hardly played when compared to the amount of Dota games.
Simply because Dota was much easier.
#Post#: 1551--------------------------------------------------
Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
DIR By: Chakra
Date: September 25, 2013, 7:57 pm
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--- Quote ---
> If you notice Dota was always the most played game on Wc3
because it was the easiest same reason why Sheep Tag is and was
hardly played when compared to the amount of Dota games. Simply
because Dota was much easier.
--- End Quote ---
This is a completely invalid argument. Pong is less played than
DotA, is that because it's harder?
#Post#: 1553--------------------------------------------------
Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
DIR By: XXXandBEER
Date: September 25, 2013, 9:42 pm
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--- Quote from: Chakra link ---
>
> [quote]If you notice Dota was always the most played game on
Wc3 because it was the easiest same reason why Sheep Tag is and
was hardly played when compared to the amount of Dota games.
Simply because Dota was much easier.
--- End Quote ---
This is a completely invalid argument. Pong is less played than
DotA, is that because it's harder?
[/quote]
Just saying what amir said. And maybe yes pong could be
extremely hard .
#Post#: 1555--------------------------------------------------
Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
DIR By: Chakra
Date: September 25, 2013, 10:40 pm
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--- Quote ---
> yes pong could be extremely hard
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Depends on your definition of "hard." I imagine post people
would consider difficulty of getting into (in which it is near
zero), the skill curve (IDK), and the competition (IDK).
Easy games aren't simply more popular than harder games. Sheep
Tag is extremely different than other games in which the the two
teams are fundamentally different and the number of players on
each team weren't equal nor linearly balanced (2v4 compared to
4v8). This makes it more foreign, innovative to learn, etc. DotA
was pretty standard.
#Post#: 1566--------------------------------------------------
Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
DIR By: Chiefhero[sks]
Date: September 26, 2013, 12:04 pm
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[quote=beer]Your perception of how much paying money affects
game play in League of Legends is absurd. The only thing you can
buy are Champions/Skins. Skins = Do nothing for you in-game
other in appearance. Buying Champions does NOTHING for you if
you are not good with that Champion. Every Champion is suppose
to be "Balanced" and the price of a champion does not effect how
strong that champion is. Runes/Stat upgrades can only be
purchased with IP and typically once you reach LVL 30 you have
earned enough IP to buy the best Runes.
And I agree with you on the fact that easier games are played by
more people. If you notice Dota was always the most played game
on Wc3 because it was the easiest same reason why Sheep Tag is
and was hardly played when compared to the amount of Dota games.
Simply because Dota was much easier.[/quote]¨
you have to buy runes in LoL. i've already covered how paying
real money or grinding gives you advantages in LoL. i never
stated how big these advantages are because i don't know, but
they exist.
i also specificied in what way LoL is easier than dota. argument
was not that "easier game = more played than hard game", but
instead that it seems like the masses prefer online games where
you can ''grind'' for advantages (WoW, LoL, etc) rather than
your winrate being entirely decided by your skill. similar to
how most gamers like to spend money on gaming gear (''gaming
mice'' etc.) that supposedly give them an edge ingame, even
though the edge is miniscule for the price you pay. people don't
like losing, they enjoy/aim at being the best, and for the vast
majority of players, "grinding"/"pay-for-advantage" type games
are the only way they can reach this.
just trying to explain how LoL can have a bigger playerbase
without being a better game. i think someone mentioned LoL
having a bigger playerbase than dota2 (assumably as an argument
infavor for LoL).
#Post#: 1569--------------------------------------------------
Re: League of Legends Vs. Dota 2
DIR By: XXXandBEER
Date: September 26, 2013, 1:29 pm
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What you are saying makes since Amir.
On top of that I believe LoL has a larger player base because of
how much the shitty ass company Riot (creators of LoL) baby the
community. Its quite obnoxious how ridiculously babied every LoL
player is when it comes to trash talking/flaming etc. In Dota 2
there is VoIP which already makes Valve 10 times better then
Riot. Also Valve actually knows how to create a game client.
Riot's client is a piece of shit thrown together on Adobe.
Overall I think Dota 2 is a much better designed game by a much
better company. Riot is one of the worst companies in the world
and I can't wait to see it die out once everyone gets out of
this MOBA gaming mentality.
On the Runes/Champions grinding thing. You said some people like
to "grind" for "advantages", but I actually believe some people
like to "grind" to actually earn something. In Dota 2 there is
nothing to play for. There is nothing you earn from winning. For
me I do not care about this shit, but many people do like to
"earn" something for playing.
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