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#Post#: 13116--------------------------------------------------
Compromising with the ability to moderate users.
By: KarjamP Date: November 20, 2013, 4:45 am
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Those abilities sure are useful for moderation purposes.
Yes, even the abilities that you don't want us to have but is
included with the bundle for the "moderation of users"
privilege.
It'll be more difficult to moderate problematic users if we
can't (like, if we can't see the user's IP, how could we use the
IP ban feature?)
Therefore, I propose we discuss a compromise with those
features, like giving us moderators separate rules to follow as
well.
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Re: Compromising with the ability to moderate users.
By: Charlotte Date: November 20, 2013, 5:03 am
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[quote author=KarjamP link=topic=752.msg13116#msg13116
date=1384944317]
Those abilities sure are useful for moderation purposes.
Yes, even the abilities that you don't want us to have but is
included with the bundle for the "moderation of users"
privilege.
It'll be more difficult to moderate problematic users if we
can't (like, if we can't see the user's IP, how could we use the
IP ban feature?)
Therefore, I propose we discuss a compromise with those
features, like giving us moderators separate rules to follow as
well.
[/quote]
Thing is, what if an user uses a proxy server, like TED did?
I'm guessing he and Shane had the same IP, and if TED was IP
banned, wouldn't Shane be IP-banned as well?
(I did my best to do research.)
#Post#: 13149--------------------------------------------------
Re: Compromising with the ability to moderate users.
By: KarjamP Date: November 20, 2013, 7:01 am
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Uh, I meant to put this in the Staff HQ. *D'oh!*
All well, this can be a public discussion. :P
#Post#: 13155--------------------------------------------------
Re: Compromising with the ability to moderate users.
By: Shane Date: November 20, 2013, 7:12 am
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Oh boy... :))
Anyway, Charlotte's right.
TED used a proxy server, and if he was IP banned, I'd also fall
under the IP ban. :-\
Not to mention that IP bans are easy to evade, as far as I've
heard from Taylor.
Just in case an IP ban would cause another member problems, IP
bans are, thus, banned.
If, say, a spambot came and posted random gibberish, and it was
IP banned, and the IP range was close to Dr. Time's, he might be
affected by the IP ban unintentionally.
#Post#: 13167--------------------------------------------------
Re: Compromising with the ability to moderate users.
By: KarjamP Date: November 20, 2013, 7:38 am
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Just because it's "easy to evade" doesn't mean it won't stop
people who are less tech savvy from evading.
And besides, only the most persistent ban evaders would try to
do so, and the only one we know of is TED.
Even so, we should still be prepared for other rule breakers
that aren't TED, as IP banning would stop the person from
signing up multiple times if they don't have any equipment or
access to another computer ("proxies" count as equipment), which
the former would only work if they aren't savvy enough with
internet technology.
In the end, IP banning would tell them we REALLY don't want
their kind, and thus, if they want to be persistent, they'd try
to get around the IP banning.
#Post#: 13169--------------------------------------------------
Re: Compromising with the ability to moderate users.
By: Wayne Date: November 20, 2013, 7:46 am
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...
I have no more access to edit my usergroup. That is sad.
#Post#: 13780--------------------------------------------------
Re: Compromising with the ability to moderate users.
By: KarjamP Date: November 26, 2013, 5:49 am
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Can we carry on this discussion, please?
#Post#: 13794--------------------------------------------------
Re: Compromising with the ability to moderate users.
By: Wayne Date: November 26, 2013, 6:50 am
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I don't believe it even died.
#Post#: 13991--------------------------------------------------
Re: Compromising with the ability to moderate users.
By: KarjamP Date: November 29, 2013, 5:36 am
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Until we reached the ultimate conclusion, I'll just bump this
thread. :P
#Post#: 14006--------------------------------------------------
Re: Compromising with the ability to moderate users.
By: Charlotte Date: November 29, 2013, 6:37 am
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I'm with Taylor on this.
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