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#Post#: 42179--------------------------------------------------
Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread 2.0
By: ecasadoSBU Date: January 4, 2024, 9:51 am
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[quote author=ry1nik link=topic=993.msg42168#msg42168
date=1704306073]
The next big step will be a Top 20 public ranking. Former
President Stanley set that goal a few years back. SB is just a
few spots away from that. The $500M from Simons might close the
gap within the next five years. The wild card is whether NYS
will have the means to keep funding SUNY at current levels.
[/quote]
Stony Brook is Top 26 Public already so its not too far away.
with how its trending and the things the institution is doing
(R&D, philanthropy) I expect it to reach TOP-20 Public status in
the next 5 years.
I would like Stony Brook to also increase the size of it's
student body. Back when I was in school in 2007-12 I would've
expected Stony Brook to clock 30,000 students by now. I'm
surprised its still hanging at 25k. Size creates economies of
scale and for a public school - increase it's influence. It also
ensures that a Stony Brook degree remains accessible to a bit
more students. It also goes in line with other land-grant public
state universities. Don't let Buffalo run away as the only SUNY
with 30K+ students .
Also, does any one think that Stony Brook should consider once
again opening a law school? I know SSK really tried hard to do
so. I think it would make the University more comprehensive
which is never bad (even though STEM is what often runs the show
nowadays...) and would also help keep it at pace with Buffalo in
all fronts. Lets not forget that Buffalo is now our main
competitor for state funds
#Post#: 42180--------------------------------------------------
Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread 2.0
By: Chairman of the Board Date: January 4, 2024, 10:07 am
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1000% yes. a long time ago i think there was talk of them maybe
discussing with Touro- not a verified source. while it's not
the best law school ever- it's in the locality and there'd be
synergies, and SB could make it better.
#Post#: 42181--------------------------------------------------
Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread 2.0
By: Chairman of the Board Date: January 4, 2024, 10:33 am
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post first- google second:
HTML https://www.tourolaw.edu/admissions/master-of-social-work-juris-doctor
there's at least some relationship there already.
#Post#: 42182--------------------------------------------------
Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread 2.0
By: ry1nik Date: January 4, 2024, 11:22 am
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[quote author=ecasadoSBU link=topic=993.msg42179#msg42179
date=1704383482]
[quote author=ry1nik link=topic=993.msg42168#msg42168
date=1704306073]
The next big step will be a Top 20 public ranking. Former
President Stanley set that goal a few years back. SB is just a
few spots away from that. The $500M from Simons might close the
gap within the next five years. The wild card is whether NYS
will have the means to keep funding SUNY at current levels.
[/quote]
Stony Brook is Top 26 Public already so its not too far away.
with how its trending and the things the institution is doing
(R&D, philanthropy) I expect it to reach TOP-20 Public status in
the next 5 years.
I would like Stony Brook to also increase the size of it's
student body. Back when I was in school in 2007-12 I would've
expected Stony Brook to clock 30,000 students by now. I'm
surprised its still hanging at 25k. Size creates economies of
scale and for a public school - increase it's influence. It also
ensures that a Stony Brook degree remains accessible to a bit
more students. It also goes in line with other land-grant public
state universities. Don't let Buffalo run away as the only SUNY
with 30K+ students .
Also, does any one think that Stony Brook should consider once
again opening a law school? I know SSK really tried hard to do
so. I think it would make the University more comprehensive
which is never bad (even though STEM is what often runs the show
nowadays...) and would also help keep it at pace with Buffalo in
all fronts. Lets not forget that Buffalo is now our main
competitor for state funds
[/quote]
The problem with increasing enrollment is the acceptance rate
usually has to go up, which makes admissions seem less
competitive. If SB is to be a “prestigious public,” the
acceptance rate has to be among the lowest.
#Post#: 42183--------------------------------------------------
Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread 2.0
By: sbufan Date: January 4, 2024, 12:04 pm
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[quote author=ry1nik link=topic=993.msg42182#msg42182
date=1704388951]
The problem with increasing enrollment is the acceptance rate
usually has to go up, which makes admissions seem less
competitive. If SB is to be a “prestigious public,” the
acceptance rate has to be among the lowest.
[/quote]
Stony Brook has, imo, long been gaming the college rankings on
this front by limiting the number of freshman admitted (where
acceptance rate goes into ranking formulas) and accepting tons
of transfers (which ranking systems ignore). In 2013 there were
2,709 new freshmen and 1,527 new transfers so 1.7 new freshmen
enrolled for every transfer enrolled. However in 2023 we have
3,569 freshmen to 1,286 or 2.7 freshmen enrolled for every
transfer. I think this tactic while good for rankings has hurt
campus life as many of these transfers are commuters from
Suffolk and Nassau CC who don't have much connection to the
university.
Unsurprisingly this shift has lead to the freshmen acceptance
rate to increase from 39.5% in 2013 to 49% in 2023. What's
fascinating, is despite accepting more than twice as many
students in 2023 than 2013, the mean high school GPA and SAT
scores for accepted students is higher than it was in 2013.
Stony Brook is just getting WAY more high quality applications
than they did in the past. Also of note is that the admissions
yield has decreased quite a bit, likely because some of the best
students in NY are treating Stony Brook as a safety school for
the most prestigious universities.
HTML https://www.stonybrook.edu/commcms/irpe/fact_book/data_and_reports/_files/admissions/AdmissionsUG.pdf
#Post#: 42184--------------------------------------------------
Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread 2.0
By: sbufan Date: January 4, 2024, 12:07 pm
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[quote author=sbufan link=topic=993.msg42183#msg42183
date=1704391458]
[quote author=ry1nik link=topic=993.msg42182#msg42182
date=1704388951]
The problem with increasing enrollment is the acceptance rate
usually has to go up, which makes admissions seem less
competitive. If SB is to be a “prestigious public,” the
acceptance rate has to be among the lowest.
[/quote]
Stony Brook has, imo, long been gaming the college rankings on
this front by limiting the number of freshman admitted (where
acceptance rate goes into ranking formulas) and accepting tons
of transfers (which ranking systems ignore). In 2013 there were
2,709 new freshmen and 1,527 new transfers so 1.7 new freshmen
enrolled for every transfer enrolled. However in 2023 we have
3,569 freshmen to 1,286 or 2.7 freshmen enrolled for every
transfer. I think this tactic while good for rankings has hurt
campus life as many of these transfers are commuters from
Suffolk and Nassau CC who don't have much connection to the
university.
Unsurprisingly this shift has lead to the freshmen acceptance
rate to increase from 39.5% in 2013 to 49% in 2023. What's
fascinating, is despite accepting more than twice as many
students in 2023 than 2013, the mean high school GPA and SAT
scores for accepted students is higher than it was in 2013.
Stony Brook is just getting WAY more high quality applications
than they did in the past. Also of note is that the admissions
yield has decreased quite a bit, likely because some of the best
students in NY are treating Stony Brook as a safety school for
the most prestigious universities.
HTML https://www.stonybrook.edu/commcms/irpe/fact_book/data_and_reports/_files/admissions/AdmissionsUG.pdf
[/quote]
TLDR Stony Brook is attracting much more high quality applicants
than they were just 10 years ago. As a result, they've been able
to decrease transfer admissions and I'm hoping this helps lead
to a better campus culture
#Post#: 42191--------------------------------------------------
Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread 2.0
By: ry1nik Date: January 4, 2024, 1:40 pm
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[quote author=sbufan link=topic=993.msg42183#msg42183
date=1704391458]
[quote author=ry1nik link=topic=993.msg42182#msg42182
date=1704388951]
The problem with increasing enrollment is the acceptance rate
usually has to go up, which makes admissions seem less
competitive. If SB is to be a “prestigious public,” the
acceptance rate has to be among the lowest.
[/quote]
Stony Brook has, imo, long been gaming the college rankings on
this front by limiting the number of freshman admitted (where
acceptance rate goes into ranking formulas) and accepting tons
of transfers (which ranking systems ignore). In 2013 there were
2,709 new freshmen and 1,527 new transfers so 1.7 new freshmen
enrolled for every transfer enrolled. However in 2023 we have
3,569 freshmen to 1,286 or 2.7 freshmen enrolled for every
transfer. I think this tactic while good for rankings has hurt
campus life as many of these transfers are commuters from
Suffolk and Nassau CC who don't have much connection to the
university.
Unsurprisingly this shift has lead to the freshmen acceptance
rate to increase from 39.5% in 2013 to 49% in 2023. What's
fascinating, is despite accepting more than twice as many
students in 2023 than 2013, the mean high school GPA and SAT
scores for accepted students is higher than it was in 2013.
Stony Brook is just getting WAY more high quality applications
than they did in the past. Also of note is that the admissions
yield has decreased quite a bit, likely because some of the best
students in NY are treating Stony Brook as a safety school for
the most prestigious universities.
HTML https://www.stonybrook.edu/commcms/irpe/fact_book/data_and_reports/_files/admissions/AdmissionsUG.pdf
[/quote]
Actually the rise in SAT scores is not very surprising. Since
they’re now optional, only the highest scorers are submitting
them. It’s the same at all SAT-optional schools.
#Post#: 42192--------------------------------------------------
Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread 2.0
By: sbufan Date: January 4, 2024, 3:51 pm
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[quote author=ry1nik link=topic=993.msg42191#msg42191
date=1704397210]
[quote author=sbufan link=topic=993.msg42183#msg42183
date=1704391458]
[quote author=ry1nik link=topic=993.msg42182#msg42182
date=1704388951]
The problem with increasing enrollment is the acceptance rate
usually has to go up, which makes admissions seem less
competitive. If SB is to be a “prestigious public,” the
acceptance rate has to be among the lowest.
[/quote]
Stony Brook has, imo, long been gaming the college rankings on
this front by limiting the number of freshman admitted (where
acceptance rate goes into ranking formulas) and accepting tons
of transfers (which ranking systems ignore). In 2013 there were
2,709 new freshmen and 1,527 new transfers so 1.7 new freshmen
enrolled for every transfer enrolled. However in 2023 we have
3,569 freshmen to 1,286 or 2.7 freshmen enrolled for every
transfer. I think this tactic while good for rankings has hurt
campus life as many of these transfers are commuters from
Suffolk and Nassau CC who don't have much connection to the
university.
Unsurprisingly this shift has lead to the freshmen acceptance
rate to increase from 39.5% in 2013 to 49% in 2023. What's
fascinating, is despite accepting more than twice as many
students in 2023 than 2013, the mean high school GPA and SAT
scores for accepted students is higher than it was in 2013.
Stony Brook is just getting WAY more high quality applications
than they did in the past. Also of note is that the admissions
yield has decreased quite a bit, likely because some of the best
students in NY are treating Stony Brook as a safety school for
the most prestigious universities.
HTML https://www.stonybrook.edu/commcms/irpe/fact_book/data_and_reports/_files/admissions/AdmissionsUG.pdf
[/quote]
Actually the rise in SAT scores is not very surprising. Since
they’re now optional, only the highest scorers are submitting
them. It’s the same at all SAT-optional schools.
[/quote]
Didn't realize that SAT scores were optional now. We used to be
a society.
Still though, the median Math score for freshmen rose from 647
in 2013 to 682 in 2020 when SATs were last required. At the same
the size of the freshman class increased 22%. (i'm leaving out
the reading section since that's changed as well, but the scores
there are up similarly)
#Post#: 42425--------------------------------------------------
Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread 2.0
By: Chairman of the Board Date: January 17, 2024, 7:30 pm
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another non-sequitur with no real home. have we really had our
name used in a tv show or film, on a real platform, ever?
if anyone watches Only Murders in the Building on hulu, there is
a mention of the U. i share this because i think it may be
unique and a first, and of course, comes to us BEFORE the
gigantic 2023 year we had.
HTML https://only-murders-in-the-building.fandom.com/wiki/Hello,_Darkness
[quote]Lester puts together the baby swing. He likes to be
useful. He's proud of his job and enjoys helping people. Nina is
looking through paperwork for the construction they're going to
do. Lester asks what the plan is. Nina is annoyed by him
talking, but that talkative nature got him his wife. Lorraine,
Nina knows. Bunny used to quiz her on all the people in the
building. His children are May and Frank. One is at SUNY Stony
Brook and the other is doing improv, but is bad at it. Nina asks
if he's heard anything about who they think killed Bunny. Lester
says no, but they must have walked right past him. Nina's a bit
worried she's next.[/quote]
for the not great news- the mention is of a doorman's son,
perhaps implying that's where doormen can afford (maybe not a
bad thing?), but much more offensive i think is calling it "SUNY
Stony Brook". i feel like that was dropped 25 years ago, and
anyone in the know wouldnt call it that. am i alone?
HTML https://only-murders-in-the-building.fandom.com/wiki/Lester
[quote] Bunny said one of Lester's children is at SUNY Stony
Brook and one is doing improv and that Lester thinks they're
really bad at it, but Lester said Bunny got that wrong.[/quote]
HTML https://americaeast.com/news/2006/6/22/785740.aspx
[quote]But the system is often judged by its weaker campuses and
by political infighting and bureaucratic logjams that stymie
budgets and campus projects. In an effort to stand apart from
the system, Stony Brook officials dropped "SUNY" from the
university's marketing materials in the mid-1990s, relying
instead on what officials think of as the institution's
"popular" name, Stony Brook University.
[/quote]
#Post#: 42552--------------------------------------------------
Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread 2.0
By: Chairman of the Board Date: January 27, 2024, 11:52 am
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HTML https://nypost.com/2024/01/27/opinion/why-hochuls-10-plan-for-suny-makes-sense/
[quote]
As part of her 2024 State of the State address on Jan. 9, Gov.
Hochul announced a plan to offer the top 10% of New York
high-school seniors direct admission to the State University of
New York (SUNY) system.[/quote]
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