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#Post#: 8925--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Seawolf97
Date: December 13, 2013, 8:47 pm
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UMass shot themselves in the foot playing home games at Foxboro.
Students and fans will not travel all that distance for a
UMass vs Toledo or Buffalo game. When they were in the CAA
they sold out their home stadium just about every game. imagine
us traveling to Met life Stadium for a couple of home games,
I still think FBS is in our future but not the immediate future.
Then again with a new AD coming who knows what his or her
thoughts are on football.
#Post#: 9896--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: EMU Steve
Date: March 8, 2014, 5:58 am
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--- Quote from: Seawolf97 link ---
>
> UMass shot themselves in the foot playing home games at
Foxboro. Students and fans will not travel all that distance for
a UMass vs Toledo or Buffalo game. When they were in the CAA
they sold out their home stadium just about every game. imagine
us traveling to Met life Stadium for a couple of home games,
I still think FBS is in our future but not the immediate future.
Then again with a new AD coming who knows what his or her
thoughts are on football.
>
--- End Quote ---
First time poster and MAC fan and a fan who is receptive to SB
joining the MAC in due time.
UMass had an interesting situation, as I understand it. Their
stadium, especially the press box, was deemed inadequate by the
MAC and a requirement was that the stadium (mostly press box) be
upgraded as a condition of admittance. The press box is more
than simply a press box. It is part of a remodel. I'll try to
get photographs. This has been discussed at length on a MAC
forum.
Starting this Fall, UMass will split home games between their
campus and the Patriots' stadium.
While there was faculity discontent about UMass FB (faculty
doesn't like to see $ spend on athletics, esp. if the team(s)
aren't winning) that is apparently water over the damn. The
money has been spent on the stadium improvements and UMass isn't
reconsidering their move to FBS football.
As far as SB is concerned, I do strongly hope that you build
your football program. SB has the academics, demographics and
locations to be say another UConn (some might think that your
location is far superior than UConn's). I would like two SUNY
teams in the MAC. Instant rivals. SB should have no trouble
scheduling other schools like Army, UConn, BC, Rutgers, etc. as
well as some FCS opponents from the CAA.
The biggest problem I see, over the next 10 years, is enlarging
a stadium which really wasn't built to be expandable to 20 -
25K, which works nicely for the MAC. I see your stadium as a
stadium which could be reasonably expanded to say 15K.
BTW, I have seen the Seawolves play a number of times on
television or webcast (e.g., Army, Syracuse and Buffalo). With
Maysonet, the Seawolves were a very dangerous team for FCS and
many FBS opponents.
#Post#: 9898--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: March 8, 2014, 6:31 am
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--- Quote from: EMU Steve link ---
>
> [quote author=Seawolf97 link=topic=98.msg8925#msg8925
date=1386989264]
> UMass shot themselves in the foot playing home games at
Foxboro. Students and fans will not travel all that distance for
a UMass vs Toledo or Buffalo game. When they were in the CAA
they sold out their home stadium just about every game. imagine
us traveling to Met life Stadium for a couple of home games,
I still think FBS is in our future but not the immediate future.
Then again with a new AD coming who knows what his or her
thoughts are on football.
>
--- End Quote ---
First time poster and MAC fan and a fan who is receptive to SB
joining the MAC in due time.
UMass had an interesting situation, as I understand it. Their
stadium, especially the press box, was deemed inadequate by the
MAC and a requirement was that the stadium (mostly press box) be
upgraded as a condition of admittance. The press box is more
than simply a press box. It is part of a remodel. I'll try to
get photographs. This has been discussed at length on a MAC
forum.
Starting this Fall, UMass will split home games between their
campus and the Patriots' stadium.
While there was faculity discontent about UMass FB (faculty
doesn't like to see $ spend on athletics, esp. if the team(s)
aren't winning) that is apparently water over the damn. The
money has been spent on the stadium improvements and UMass isn't
reconsidering their move to FBS football.
As far as SB is concerned, I do strongly hope that you build
your football program. SB has the academics, demographics and
locations to be say another UConn (some might think that your
location is far superior than UConn's). I would like two SUNY
teams in the MAC. Instant rivals. SB should have no trouble
scheduling other schools like Army, UConn, BC, Rutgers, etc. as
well as some FCS opponents from the CAA.
The biggest problem I see, over the next 10 years, is enlarging
a stadium which really wasn't built to be expandable to 20 -
25K, which works nicely for the MAC. I see your stadium as a
stadium which could be reasonably expanded to say 15K.
BTW, I have seen the Seawolves play a number of times on
television or webcast (e.g., Army, Syracuse and Buffalo). With
Maysonet, the Seawolves were a very dangerous team for FCS and
many FBS opponents.
[/quote]
Welcome aboard EMU Steve... We love new blood on this forum and
we also love when an outsider ( not an Alumni of SB, like my
self ) chimes in on topics. Feel free to say whatever is on your
mind, I do!!
You are correct about SB being at least a decade away from
joining the FBS. And you're correct about our stadium not
compatable for a 30K seats but ,15K is very doable. It's my
understanding, SB is eyeing an expansion to 15K as we speak so,
lets keep our fingers crossed this happens while I'm still
alive..
SBF is getting bigger and stronger every year and now that they
are a member of the CAA, we will continue to grow not to
mention, Hofstra University, once a CAA member in Football, no
longer participates in the Football program making room for
local Athletes who wanna stay close to home considers SB for
their choice of Schools.. We came close to making the Playoffs
last season but injures really set us back . It's huge for a
first year member of the CAA to even win a few games never mind
making the Playoffs but we almost did!!. Stay tooned, SBF is
going to rock this year.. Look out UCON!!!!!!!!!!!!
#Post#: 9902--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: iBOsbu
Date: March 8, 2014, 11:00 am
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I will just requote Redwyn... we have the money, but attendance
is the issue. And I agree with him.. lets get some CAA titles
first.
--- Quote from: Redwyn link ---
>
> As for the football stadium - my sources tell me that the
money is locked, it's an attendance issue. Fact is, we can't
regularly fill an 8500K stadium besides maybe our opener and
homecoming. We still bring in D2 schools because we're stuck in
that no-man's land between mid-level performance and poor
attendance/low guarantees. No one wants to see us in the hollow
confines of a 15000K facility if we can only put 5K into it.
Remember, 15K is an FBS minimum - and that's 15K turnout, not
capacity. We're gonna need to get that thing to its maximum at
roughly 25K or so to be a reasonable candidate. The MAC will
welcome us as the first TRUE NYC media-market FBS team with open
arms when we're ready and U Mass advances to the AAC. But I'm in
no rush to see that happen - gimme a few CAA titles and playoff
wins first.
>
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#Post#: 9923--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: EMU Steve
Date: March 8, 2014, 4:03 pm
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--- Quote from: iBOsbu link ---
>
> I will just requote Redwyn... we have the money, but
attendance is the issue. And I agree with him.. lets get some
CAA titles first.
>
> [quote author=Redwyn link=topic=244.msg9664#msg9664
date=1392864872]
> As for the football stadium - my sources tell me that the
money is locked, it's an attendance issue. Fact is, we can't
regularly fill an 8500K stadium besides maybe our opener and
homecoming. We still bring in D2 schools because we're stuck in
that no-man's land between mid-level performance and poor
attendance/low guarantees. No one wants to see us in the hollow
confines of a 15000K facility if we can only put 5K into it.
Remember, 15K is an FBS minimum - and that's 15K turnout, not
capacity. We're gonna need to get that thing to its maximum at
roughly 25K or so to be a reasonable candidate. The MAC will
welcome us as the first TRUE NYC media-market FBS team with open
arms when we're ready and U Mass advances to the AAC. But I'm in
no rush to see that happen - gimme a few CAA titles and playoff
wins first.
>
--- End Quote ---
[/quote]
Couple of things which work in SB's favor:
The MAC is taking a very deliberate view of expansion even
though we are at 13 teams (UMass is #13). So we (MAC) are
looking for #14 which strengthens the conference is a
significant way.
Unlike the ole "go West young man" the MAC has actually moved
East. We added Buffalo (in the 90s) and then UMass (FB only).
Once we added NIU (Northern Illinois) there was nothing west of
them but cornfields.
I have long favored a Eastward expansion, esp. after adding
UMass. Once the conference expanded eastward with UMass, it
makes less sense to move in a different direction (e.g.,
Southward for James Madison or Westward for Northern Iowa,
etc.).
Both UMass and SBU are excellent universities and SBU has the
big advantage of being in the NYC area and not far from Amherst,
Mass.
I could see the following divisions for FB:
(East: UMass, SBU, UB, Akron, Kent State, Ohio and Miami(O).
(West: Bowling Green, Toledo, Eastern MI, Central MI, Western
MI, Ball State and Northern IL.)
There are tons of rivalries in this setup: Akron/KSU.
Ohio/Miami. UB and SBU. (maybe) UMass and SBU. and on the
West side: BG/Toledo. The Michigan schools are all rivals.)
#Post#: 9924--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Seawolf97
Date: March 8, 2014, 4:27 pm
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The key is fan support and filling seats. It will be
interesting to see how our new arena sells . Now we filled
Pritchard with 1600 plus for just abot every home game. Now we
need to almost triple that to 4000 plus for our arena. If
football starts selling out other than homecoming we will be in
good shape. Plus I always liked the MAC as out next home.
#Post#: 10035--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: BigFatFan
Date: March 11, 2014, 8:24 am
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Hate to be a buzz kill, but we have a long way Togo before we
can consider MAC membership. Mainly fan base has to be stepped
up. Towson, JMU and Nova have a big lead on us in this area,
and I'd consider them stronger candidates to move up to FBS
before SB. Someone stated it right on this board: let's win a
few CAA football titles before we start looking at FBS options.
#Post#: 10293--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: EMU Steve
Date: March 27, 2014, 12:38 pm
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The MAC and UMass will part company after the 2015 football
season.
Now the MAC reverts to a 12 team conference and expansion, if
any, would be for two teams, not one.
UMass was added after Temple to bring the MAC up to 14 teams,
but before it happened Temple left for greener grass.
I have always thought SB would make a good #14 with UMass.
Now... ????
After getting burned a few times on expansion I believe the MAC
will stay at 12 UNLESS it finds two good all-sports schools
which meets its strategic vision of expanding the footprint.
#Post#: 10294--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: March 27, 2014, 1:15 pm
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I just found two, EMU Steve.. SB and UA...
#Post#: 10295--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: EMU Steve
Date: March 27, 2014, 3:15 pm
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I'm really sad :( that UMass left the MAC.
UMass is a top notch school and has potential in football and
obviously very good in hoops.
UMass + SB would have been an excellent pair of schools along
the eastern frontier of the MAC.
The MAC would have had teams in Western N.Y. (i.e., Buffalo)
plus NYC and Western Mass.
Does SB and Delaware work?
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