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Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: January 10, 2018, 12:54 pm
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Some good read on the Vandals moving down to the FCS.
HTML http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/jan/08/college-football-title-pits-rich-vs-richer-idaho-v/
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Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: ry1nik
Date: January 10, 2018, 1:41 pm
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> Some good read on the Vandals moving down to the FCS.
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Very good read. There's a general bias towards "grow it" and
"bigger is better," but there's no way SBU will reach power
conference status in football in the foreseeable future. I'm not
convinced that playing at the lower FBS level does a school any
better than having a consistent FCS playoff team...much more
achievable and affordable.
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Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: January 10, 2018, 3:08 pm
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> [quote author=Hammertime link=topic=98.msg20858#msg20858
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> Some good read on the Vandals moving down to the FCS.
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HTML http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/jan/08/college-football-title-pits-rich-vs-richer-idaho-v/
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Very good read. There's a general bias towards "grow it" and
"bigger is better," but there's no way SBU will reach power
conference status in football in the foreseeable future. I'm not
convinced that playing at the lower FBS level does a school any
better than having a consistent FCS playoff team...much more
achievable and affordable.
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I dont see SB going into the FBS anytime soon, never mind a
power conference.
JMU is light years ahead of us in every athletic category,
mainly football, and they still haven't gotten an invite from
any respectable FBS conference. Even though their stadium meets
NCAA div1 standards, and crowds each game...
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Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: sbufan
Date: January 10, 2018, 3:59 pm
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We're a flagship university of New York. It's crazy that we're
NOT playing power conference football. We're not Idaho or James
Madison. We have something like a 100k alumni living in the New
York Metro area. Stony Brook is an absolute sleeping giant in
college athletics, and the goal needs to be a power 5 conference
affiliation by 2040 (hopefully a lot sooner). If it's not, I'm
not sure I would continue to support the department.
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Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: January 10, 2018, 6:27 pm
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> We're a flagship university of New York. It's crazy that we're
NOT playing power conference football. We're not Idaho or James
Madison. We have something like a 100k alumni living in the New
York Metro area. Stony Brook is an absolute sleeping giant in
college athletics, and the goal needs to be a power 5 conference
affiliation by 2040 (hopefully a lot sooner). If it's not, I'm
not sure I would continue to support the department.
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And how do you get 60,000 +fans to pack the stadium each and
every game. We cant even get 5k to each gane!!
Long Island never was and never will be a college town. We are a
pro sport community and people could care less about college on
long island
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Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: January 10, 2018, 6:48 pm
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but. with a student body in the 20k range, thousands of
faculty, and 3m inhabitants in an hour drive, we could fill
something.
just query why they dont show.
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Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Seawolf97
Date: January 10, 2018, 8:03 pm
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At best we wind up in the MAC or the AAC . The administration
and Albany does not want us or any SUNY school in a Power
Conference so kiss that goodbye. We rarely advertise and the
local media doesn't cover us very well . When we are on TV its
a backchannel not a regional broadcast . I'm guessing but
maybe in the next 5 years we might move up but don't hold your
breath.
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Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: January 10, 2018, 8:08 pm
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> At best we wind up in the MAC or the AAC . The administration
and Albany does not want us or any SUNY school in a Power
Conference so kiss that goodbye. We rarely advertise and the
local media doesn't cover us very well . When we are on TV its
a backchannel not a regional broadcast . I'm guessing but
maybe in the next 5 years we might move up but don't hold your
breath.
>
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I always love your optimism Seawolf. But give me one reason,
just one why and how SB can move up in 5,6, or even 7 years from
now...
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Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Seawolf97
Date: January 10, 2018, 8:25 pm
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My feeling is we have to keep winning for one thing , keep
improving facilities , our other sports have to win their share
also such womens lax and baseball as they did in 2012. The idea
is make yourself known around the country as an overall winner.
Basketball is big part of the formula. James Madison is pretty
1 dimensional with football their other sports are average at
best. Show up in the FCS playoffs, win in baseball, lax etc .
This was a good year so far with wins in Volleyball and Soccer
and I'm sure ladies lax . Then hope for an invite but winning
all around is going to be the key not just football
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Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: January 10, 2018, 9:18 pm
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A whole lot of small minded thinking in this thread. Fortunately
Heilbron and Stanley along with their predecessors disagree with
you, otherwise we'd probably still be in D3.
Being in a power conference, or even an FBS conference may seem
like a pipe dream, but as an FCS school, we fit the profile of a
power conference school to the T. We're the public flagship
institution for the state of New York and unlike the other three
campuses, we're actually near the economic and population engine
of the state. We're not some directional backup to the backup
school that many of the other FCS programs are. I'm from VA and
JMU is a fantastic school. I even considered going there, but at
the end of the day, it's the kind of place you choose to go when
you don't get into UVA or Tech. SBU doesn't have that issue. NY
state students WANT to come here. We're the best public option
in the state for NYC and Long Island residents. That's 12
million people within an hour of the campus. You can't ignore
that.
Academically, I'm not sure you guys realize this, but we're in
the AAU:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Universities#Membership
Only the best research schools are in the AAU and you have to be
invited in by existing members. Look at those schools gentlemen,
you can't keep any better company than that. I'm not going to
say we're peers to Berkely, the Ivies, Stanford, Rice, etc. I
won't go that far, but when those schools invite you into their
club? That means something. Iowa St.? Rutgers? Pittsburgh?
Oregon? Maryland? Those are our academic peers and they're damn
good schools. Those schools also want to play us in sports which
is part of why we're able to get OOC games against schools like
Michigan St., Washington, etc.
Of all the public schools in the AAU with football, only two
have the sport in the FCS. UC Davis, and us. Buffalo is the only
FBS public school in the club that's in a G5 conference. Every
single other school; literally every single one is in a power
conference. The only thing stopping us is that unlike the power
conference schools that have been around for over 150 years,
we've only been around 60, so we're the new kids on the block.
We're ascending at an astonishing rate given how young we are as
a school. Don't let the current attendance and fan apathy fool
you. Institutionally, we're a power school in every way.
Enrollment, research, you name it. The athletics just need to
catch up which they are. I'd drop the small minded thinking
guys. We're not a Boise State who can tear it up on the field
for decades but still never sniff a power conference because of
their junior college level academics. We're better than that.
Our academics and location are why I think come the next round
of realignment in 7-8 years we could get called up to a better
conference. University presidents make realignment decisions on
who they want to align themselves with, and the upside of an AAU
flagship school within an hour of 12 million people makes SBU a
risk worth taking. Our floor is higher than Buffalo, because
unlike Buffalo, we're not hours away from most of the state in
the frigid cold with nothing to do. They're going to be the ones
not wanting us to move up. On the recruiting trail for football,
the only thing they have over us is they're FBS and we're FCS.
We win in pretty much every other category.
In the meantime, keep fielding competitive FCS teams, and really
put out a good basketball product. Nothing can put your school
on the map faster than good basketball. People still remember
those GMU and VCU final four runs and Gonzaga went from a nobody
to a well known school thanks to their basketball.
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