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#Post#: 20458--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: December 5, 2017, 7:31 am
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--- Quote from: ecasadoSBU link ---
>
> Start out by conquering your own house first and then expand
the marketing efforts to the rest of Long Island. You know why I
go to games? Because I did while I was a student and I became a
fan of College Football thanks to the Seawolves (Adam Peck,
Chris Creamer, myself... we were the kids that used to facepaint
or paint letters into our chest). That's why I'm willing to make
that drive east every Saturday. But for me (alum) to follow now
I had to cultivate the following before graduating. If you don't
grab the attention of the students and turn them into fans
before they graduate... Those alums will never come back for
game
>
> We have to build the next generation of Seawolves fanatics...
and that starts ON CAMPUS. Nothing else will work as good as
cultivating a good student and then alumni fandom. Those alumni
will draw their parents, cousins, friends, and next thing you
know you are packing the house and need further expansion.
>
> It's not that difficult. Its just lack of effort. Plain and
simple. There should be a USG-Athletics committe of student and
administrators with the sole purpose of fostering student
following and spirit.
>
> Forget about the suitcase campus... forget about the lack of
parties. Those are secondary issues. The primary and sole issue
remains lack of marketing and unified effort between the
Athletics department and other areas of the University.
>
> The only marketing you see on campus right now is "Home of the
Stony Brook Seawolves" banners in every other light pole. What
the heck does that do for it if the students don't feel it?
>
> Heck. Make a student club of promoters...
>
> Or you know what. Make it college-credit course MKT101 and
make the final project: Draw 1000 students to every game. LOL
>
--- End Quote ---
maybe just my guess... but i dont think we will get significant
crowds via train. which means if no students show up, you're
sitting in traffic on nicholls. the more attendance we get, the
bigger those delays become.
the other option is to get students to games. i argue that not
all fans are equal. there is something about the student
attendee that makes the college football atmosphere. it's the
reason why pundits use the term "hostile atmosphere".
but we can't get students to games if they arent even on campus.
why arent they? we arent addressing the real issue here.
PS since we're talking bona fides here, yes i was there with a
homemade piece of wooden fence (from leftovers building lofts in
the dorms) before there was even a LaValle Stadium. ;D
#Post#: 20459--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: ecasadoSBU
Date: December 5, 2017, 7:59 am
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--- Quote from: Chairman of the Board link ---
>
> [quote author=ecasadoSBU link=topic=98.msg20456#msg20456
date=1512445498]
> Start out by conquering your own house first and then expand
the marketing efforts to the rest of Long Island. You know why I
go to games? Because I did while I was a student and I became a
fan of College Football thanks to the Seawolves (Adam Peck,
Chris Creamer, myself... we were the kids that used to facepaint
or paint letters into our chest). That's why I'm willing to make
that drive east every Saturday. But for me (alum) to follow now
I had to cultivate the following before graduating. If you don't
grab the attention of the students and turn them into fans
before they graduate... Those alums will never come back for
game
>
> We have to build the next generation of Seawolves fanatics...
and that starts ON CAMPUS. Nothing else will work as good as
cultivating a good student and then alumni fandom. Those alumni
will draw their parents, cousins, friends, and next thing you
know you are packing the house and need further expansion.
>
> It's not that difficult. Its just lack of effort. Plain and
simple. There should be a USG-Athletics committe of student and
administrators with the sole purpose of fostering student
following and spirit.
>
> Forget about the suitcase campus... forget about the lack of
parties. Those are secondary issues. The primary and sole issue
remains lack of marketing and unified effort between the
Athletics department and other areas of the University.
>
> The only marketing you see on campus right now is "Home of the
Stony Brook Seawolves" banners in every other light pole. What
the heck does that do for it if the students don't feel it?
>
> Heck. Make a student club of promoters...
>
> Or you know what. Make it college-credit course MKT101 and
make the final project: Draw 1000 students to every game. LOL
>
--- End Quote ---
maybe just my guess... but i dont think we will get significant
crowds via train. which means if no students show up, you're
sitting in traffic on nicholls. the more attendance we get, the
bigger those delays become.
the other option is to get students to games. i argue that not
all fans are equal. there is something about the student
attendee that makes the college football atmosphere. it's the
reason why pundits use the term "hostile atmosphere".
but we can't get students to games if they arent even on campus.
why arent they? we arent addressing the real issue here.
PS since we're talking bona fides here, yes i was there with a
homemade piece of wooden fence (from leftovers building lofts in
the dorms) before there was even a LaValle Stadium. ;D
[/quote]
Chairman. Even with the students that go home on weekends there
are at the very least 3000-5000 students left on campus. Not
everyone goes home. Trust me. Stony Brook is more residential
now than ever. Especially with the new fancy student dorms and
the other activities that students can enjoy on their spare time
(like the Rec center). Walk past the Rec Center on game time and
you see plenty of students exercising which is a good thing (but
not on gametime. lol)
#Post#: 20460--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: December 5, 2017, 8:16 am
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yeah but with 3-5k students remaining on campus, now you've got
to get nearly 100% of them to show up to a game to fill over ten
thousand seats.
college football atmosphere starts with the students. not a mid
30s single guy driving in from huntington and driving home post
game. that's not what ESPN Gameday looks for when seeking
locations.
#Post#: 20477--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: iBOsbu
Date: December 6, 2017, 4:57 am
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Learnt something new. Can’t give tickets to high schools per
NCAA rules.
#Post#: 20811--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: ry1nik
Date: January 7, 2018, 7:46 am
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A good discussion of FCS affiliation vs. FBS, and how staying at
playoff-level FCS has its advantages.
HTML http://www.richmond.com/sports/dukes-coach-mike-houston-sees-only-the-perfect-opportunity-drawing/article_bfb79fcf-42e6-57e7-bdc9-1519c24292f3.html
#Post#: 20817--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: January 7, 2018, 9:24 pm
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--- Quote from: ry1nik link ---
>
> A good discussion of FCS affiliation vs. FBS, and how staying
at playoff-level FCS has its advantages.
>
>
HTML http://www.richmond.com/sports/dukes-coach-mike-houston-sees-only-the-perfect-opportunity-drawing/article_bfb79fcf-42e6-57e7-bdc9-1519c24292f3.html
>
--- End Quote ---
This season definitely made me take a closer look at FCS vs FBS
and what that would actually look like. As mentioned, unless
we're like WMU last year and go undefeated plus a couple losses
by the AAC and MWC champ, we're not getting the access bowl that
UCF got and instead would at best get the Go Daddy bowl or
something like that vs the Sun Belt. The MAC is the only
realistic league in the next 5-8 years for us and outside of
Buffalo and whoever there is in the western division, there
really isn't anybody who I'm excited to play.
This season with our playoff run (though short) showed the
benefits of staying FCS. We're an attractive enough school that
FBS conferences will want us no matter what as us and UC Davis
are the only public AAU schools with football in the FCS. The
rest are all FBS or don't have football.
#Post#: 20818--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: January 8, 2018, 5:52 am
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--- Quote from: VA_Seawolf link ---
>
> [quote author=ry1nik link=topic=98.msg20811#msg20811
date=1515332762]
> A good discussion of FCS affiliation vs. FBS, and how staying
at playoff-level FCS has its advantages.
>
>
HTML http://www.richmond.com/sports/dukes-coach-mike-houston-sees-only-the-perfect-opportunity-drawing/article_bfb79fcf-42e6-57e7-bdc9-1519c24292f3.html
>
--- End Quote ---
This season definitely made me take a closer look at FCS vs FBS
and what that would actually look like. As mentioned, unless
we're like WMU last year and go undefeated plus a couple losses
by the AAC and MWC champ, we're not getting the access bowl that
UCF got and instead would at best get the Go Daddy bowl or
something like that vs the Sun Belt. The MAC is the only
realistic league in the next 5-8 years for us and outside of
Buffalo and whoever there is in the western division, there
really isn't anybody who I'm excited to play.
This season with our playoff run (though short) showed the
benefits of staying FCS. We're an attractive enough school that
FBS conferences will want us no matter what as us and UC Davis
are the only public AAU schools with football in the FCS. The
rest are all FBS or don't have football.
[/quote]
5 years ago I was dreaming FBS, no more..Lets try to win the CAA
at least once and maybe beat a really bad FBS team before we
even talk about that move up.. If coach P gets another long
term contract you can kiss goodbye any chance of winning the
CAA.. I believe he just doesnt have it to take this program to
the next level, FBS..
This football team needs a extreme makeover with all new
coaches, top to bottom. Delaware did it, JMU did it and SB can
do it. If SB can bring in an assistant from a power 5 conference
or even from a well known team, ie. Washington, Oregon, UCF....
, who wants to make a name for himself, this program would grow
be leaps and bounds. Just pay the man $700,000 a year plus
bonuses and watch the 3 star players from around the country
come flocking to this school. look at this as an investment. It
might sound expensive now, and it is, but it will reward the
university with more students wanting to come to SB for their
education and with national recognition.. I read an article on
the internet yesterday about how JMU attendance has increased
recently because of all the publicity the university is getting
from Football..
#Post#: 20819--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: January 8, 2018, 8:32 am
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im with hammer and 97 on this. dont forget, we were one hail
mary away (maine!) from being sweaty on selection day, and
potentially left out of the FCS tournament. not exactly a case
for jumping to FBS.
in other news. an anecdote, but relevant to hammer's post. my
cousin's son at xmas, i asked where is he looking at colleges.
clemson. not exactly a school that LIers flock to. we all know
why it's on his radar though.
#Post#: 20820--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: January 8, 2018, 9:05 am
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--- Quote from: Chairman of the Board link ---
>
> im with hammer and 97 on this. dont forget, we were one hail
mary away (maine!) from being sweaty on selection day, and
potentially left out of the FCS tournament. not exactly a case
for jumping to FBS.
>
> in other news. an anecdote, but relevant to hammer's post.
my cousin's son at xmas, i asked where is he looking at
colleges. clemson. not exactly a school that LIers flock to.
we all know why it's on his radar though.
>
--- End Quote ---
Both of my boys play football. One varsity the other JV this
year and want to apply to Clemson to further their education.
God help me my wallet if they get in. $50,000 a year.. My niece
graduated from Clemson and I have been there a few times, so
have my boys. It is an amazing school.. Your cousin son, when he
visits there , will be hooked and will want to attend.
#Post#: 20830--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: January 8, 2018, 11:17 am
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I agree with virtually everything you said Hammer, though I will
say that moving up to a higher level of competition often has
little to do with how good you are on the field. It's just as
much a decision regarding academics as well as an institutional
one on how much to emphasize athletics. Rutgers is in the Big
Ten for crying out loud and if we played them this year, we'd
probably have won (not even joking).
I want to see how well Coach P does this upcoming season. If we
win 6 or 7 games, Heilbron will have to look at giving him an
extension despite all the issues we've had winning games in the
past. It's hard to justify letting go of your coach coming off
of a 10 win season and Coach P knows that. Getting a big time
coordinator would be a great get for SBU, though I'd have been
in favor of giving Hemphill the job before he left for Wake. If
Coach P doesn't get his contract extended, I think we might be
able to get Lyle back here. If not him, then go in a totally
different direction and get someone who will hopefully stir up
some excitement for the program and recruits. Someone who has
had some FCS success in the past. Mike Houston from JMU won at
The Citadel and beat South Carolina before heading to JMU.
Someone with a record like that, preferably with some roots in
the northeast would be a great get.
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