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Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Campi47
Date: November 22, 2017, 1:14 pm
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Even though many FCS Programs have left to go to the FBS it's
still very mixed as many of these programs struggle to be a 500
team and the only reason why they draw is because of their
locale especially down South so I don't think that at this time
it would pay for SBU to consider doing anything like that until
they figure out on how to draw fans to LaValle Stadium. I also
believe to leave the CAA a team must now pay $1,000,000 exit
fee.
I know we lose about 20 players who are graduating plus expect
at least a half dozen players who will transfer or get dropped
from the squad for a assortment of reasons, however the
recruiting classes for 2016, 2017 and now for 2018 have been
really solid classes so even though they are young they will be
talented plus we do have a big junior class coming back next
season
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Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Wolffan
Date: November 22, 2017, 2:07 pm
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--- Quote from: iBOsbu link ---
>
> [quote author=newfan link=topic=98.msg20159#msg20159
date=1511276546]
> [quote author=iBOsbu link=topic=98.msg20157#msg20157
date=1511273373]
> Either drop scholarships and be like Ivy, or add red-shirting
and be like CAA. Most of them have pretty good facilities for
FCS standard. Or may be Fordham can get into CAA if JMU ever
leaves.
>
--- End Quote ---
I am pretty certain the PL does have red shirting...for example
I know Holy Cross' QB is a 5th year senior and thanks to being
redshirted was able to be the rare (or maybe only) 4 year
football captain.
[/quote]
PL only allows medical redshirting if I am not mistaken. May be
they changed the rule recently.
[/quote]
Medical redshirt only in the Patriot League.
Ivy League doesn't even allow that - An Ivy player has to
withdraw from school (if they are hurt very early in a season)
to maintain eligibility given the rule that they can not play
beyond their first four years of college.
Patriot League football is suffering because they cannot
generally compete with the Ivies in turns of recruiting. Given
the new (last 7 or 8 years) generous financial aid practices at
Harvard, Yale, and Princeton the same kid can usually attend
cost free at Yale (full financial aid) or (for example) cost
free at Lehigh (full athletic scholarship). Who - given that
choice - is picking Lehigh? Patriot League also cannot really
compete with CAA in recruiting for a number of reasons. Of
course there are exceptions in matchups with Ivy and CAA but
that is the new trend.
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Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: iBOsbu
Date: December 4, 2017, 9:18 am
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I found an interesting link yesterday... athletic expenses by
public institutions. Not sure if it has been discussed on this
board previously. I am guessing they couldn't get the info from
private institutions, hence only public.. link:
HTML http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/
Brook.land has some good analysis here:
HTML https://brook.land/stony-brook-is-spending-more-than-almost-every-other-fcs-program-a71a2028e857
It's very interesting. We have increased our yearly expense a
lot. Now we are one of the leading FCS program in terms of
expense. From FCS programs only JMU, Delaware and UC-Davis
spends more.
Total expenses comparison (skipping no-football schools from CAA
and America east):
JMU $47.4m
UD $34.3m
SBU $30.9m
Towson $29.4m
W&M $26.5 m
UNH $28.9m
URI $26.6m
Albany $20.9m
Maine $20.9m
We spend more than half the MAC teams, more than most of the
SunBelt teams, more than one third of the C-USA teams.
It just shows what we already knew. Money$$$ is not the issue.
We have got that. Attendance and relevancy is the issue. For
both of them, winning is the only cure. We are on the right
track!
#Post#: 20422--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: December 4, 2017, 9:41 am
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winning might not be enough. we won this year. and yet still
struggled to fill a somewhat small stadium.
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Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Seawolf97
Date: December 4, 2017, 10:37 am
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It is a number of things . Student support runs cool for a
school of nearly 26k not many students show up for games. Then
we compete against some very good high schools in our area who
draw fans on a Saturday from our fan base and of course the
pros . The Jets and Giants as bad as they have been still
draw. We also need to advertise locally and throughout at least
Suffolk County . I don't understand why we don't have posters
up at LIRR stations with our home schedule as Army and Fordham
have on the Metro North .
#Post#: 20432--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Campi47
Date: December 4, 2017, 1:25 pm
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There are a lot of HS teams in Nassau/Suffolk and many play on
Fridays we need to give price breaks to HS so we draw the whole
team in on Saturday all it takes is for someone from the
football department to put a plan out and get it to the HS
coaches/AD's
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Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: December 4, 2017, 5:53 pm
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--- Quote from: Campi47 link ---
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> There are a lot of HS teams in Nassau/Suffolk and many play on
Fridays we need to give price breaks to HS so we draw the whole
team in on Saturday all it takes is for someone from the
football department to put a plan out and get it to the HS
coaches/AD's
>
--- End Quote ---
I agree. But this school his horrible with getting the brand
name out there for the island to see. Not everybody listens to
94.3 the Shark. Even tho I do!!!
#Post#: 20454--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: December 4, 2017, 8:35 pm
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--- Quote from: iBOsbu link ---
>
> I found an interesting link yesterday... athletic expenses by
public institutions. Not sure if it has been discussed on this
board previously. I am guessing they couldn't get the info from
private institutions, hence only public.. link:
HTML http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/
>
> Brook.land has some good analysis here:
HTML https://brook.land/stony-brook-is-spending-more-than-almost-every-other-fcs-program-a71a2028e857
>
> It's very interesting. We have increased our yearly expense a
lot. Now we are one of the leading FCS program in terms of
expense. From FCS programs only JMU, Delaware and UC-Davis
spends more.
>
> Total expenses comparison (skipping no-football schools from
CAA and America east):
>
> JMU $47.4m
> UD $34.3m
> SBU $30.9m
> Towson $29.4m
> W&M $26.5 m
> UNH $28.9m
> URI $26.6m
> Albany $20.9m
> Maine $20.9m
>
> We spend more than half the MAC teams, more than most of the
SunBelt teams, more than one third of the C-USA teams.
>
> It just shows what we already knew. Money$$$ is not the issue.
We have got that. Attendance and relevancy is the issue. For
both of them, winning is the only cure. We are on the right
track!
>
--- End Quote ---
I posted this back in July. We're definitely on the right track
as far as spending and all the new facilities, IPF, stadium
expansion, etc. prove that.
--- Quote from: Seawolf97 link ---
>
> It is a number of things . Student support runs cool for a
school of nearly 26k not many students show up for games. Then
we compete against some very good high schools in our area who
draw fans on a Saturday from our fan base and of course the
pros . The Jets and Giants as bad as they have been still
draw. We also need to advertise locally and throughout at least
Suffolk County . I don't understand why we don't have posters
up at LIRR stations with our home schedule as Army and Fordham
have on the Metro North .
>
--- End Quote ---
I wholeheartedly agree. I don't know WTF we're doing in this
regard. As mentioned we should do something to draw local HS
students, parents, etc. to games. Arranging free tickets for a
local HS team to attend a home game would be good. Things like
that.
I think we can position ourselves well as a local, cheaper
alternative to the Giants and Jets when we're good. But that
would be easier if we were FBS. There's lots we can still do
though.
#Post#: 20455--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: iBOsbu
Date: December 4, 2017, 9:12 pm
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I totally missed your thread from July. Agree with you all.. we
should be advertising the hell out of every LIRR station and on
public buses. Fee tickets to HS is a great idea too. We have the
best football product on LI and we need to let everyone know.
Now is the time to spend money on advertising.
#Post#: 20456--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: ecasadoSBU
Date: December 4, 2017, 9:44 pm
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Start out by conquering your own house first and then expand the
marketing efforts to the rest of Long Island. You know why I go
to games? Because I did while I was a student and I became a fan
of College Football thanks to the Seawolves (Adam Peck, Chris
Creamer, myself... we were the kids that used to facepaint or
paint letters into our chest). That's why I'm willing to make
that drive east every Saturday. But for me (alum) to follow now
I had to cultivate the following before graduating. If you don't
grab the attention of the students and turn them into fans
before they graduate... Those alums will never come back for
game
We have to build the next generation of Seawolves fanatics...
and that starts ON CAMPUS. Nothing else will work as good as
cultivating a good student and then alumni fandom. Those alumni
will draw their parents, cousins, friends, and next thing you
know you are packing the house and need further expansion.
It's not that difficult. Its just lack of effort. Plain and
simple. There should be a USG-Athletics committe of student and
administrators with the sole purpose of fostering student
following and spirit.
Forget about the suitcase campus... forget about the lack of
parties. Those are secondary issues. The primary and sole issue
remains lack of marketing and unified effort between the
Athletics department and other areas of the University.
The only marketing you see on campus right now is "Home of the
Stony Brook Seawolves" banners in every other light pole. What
the heck does that do for it if the students don't feel it?
Heck. Make a student club of promoters...
Or you know what. Make it college-credit course MKT101 and make
the final project: Draw 1000 students to every game. LOL
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