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Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: November 21, 2017, 10:26 am
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--- Quote from: iBOsbu link ---
>
>
> Besides Fordham and Youngstown, none of the rest really excite
me. Even these two won’t make up for the loss of JMU and
Delaware.
>
> JMU has been FBS ready. But they don’t want go to Sunbelt
which has no peer school.. wisely. Delaware will be starting to
renovate and upgrade their stadium soon. I think they both want
to get in AAC or otherwise will stay at FCS. But you are right
though, no change will happen until Big 12 adds more. And Big 12
will add more because need a real conference title game... not
the fake title game they are starting this year.
>
> I just hope we continue to win and make buzz. And be ready
when the right opportunity comes along. We don’t need real 15k
attendance for FBS invite. Coastal is a prime example. As you
mentioned earlier we have the facilities, budget, and prestige.
I love what we are doing now in CAA. And keep working hard to be
a better candidate than JMU and Delaware when AAC eventually
comes calling in 5/6 years. I would decline any invite from
sunbelt or cusa like JMU and wait for AAC. I am not even
interested in MAC anymore. CAA>MAC in my opinion. Peer schools.
Relatable. Rather than Akron or Ball state. Even presence of
Buffalo doesn’t entice me.
>
--- End Quote ---
It's slim pickings once schools start leaving the CAA. The
league is a strong as it's going to be going forward until
schools start leaving. None of those schools are very exciting,
but that's all that's left.
I agree the MAC isn't very exciting, but as the only realistic
path to FBS, it might be worth considering. Though save for
Buffalo, and whoever of NIU/Toledo/WMU is hot in the west that
year, I have zero interest in any of those schools. It's a tough
position. Going the Umass route is a non-starter I think, but
compared to a MAC schedule, I think an independent schedule
could be much more interesting. Now that Liberty is FBS, it's
hard to block other schools from going FBS Indy. If we can knock
off JMU and/or make a deep playoff run, the FBS buzz is going to
start up again. It always does when desirable schools start
winning. I believe we were actually in talks with the MAC about
being their 14th team if Umass joined for all-sports.
JMU and Delaware can want the AAC, but the AAC won't take any
FCS schools in it's current state. Once this Power 6 thing they
have falls apart after their best programs get raided by a
gutted Big 12, they may change their tune. I'd also love a new
east coast G5 conference that was once being rumored years ago.
the following would be nice:
Stony Brook, UNH, Uconn (FB only), Umass, Buffalo, Temple,
Delaware, JMU, ODU, Marshall, ECU, Georgia St.
In the meantime, I think our current situation is excellent as
we're in geographically logical leagues for both major sports.
The AE being strong this year in BB is a huge bonus too. Though
I'd like an all-sports move to the A10. That's the best non-FBS
move we can make. I couldn't give a damn about the CAA
all-sports conference anymore. Moving from one 1-bid league to
another makes little sense. Serves Hofstra right for trying to
block us.
#Post#: 20167--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: iBOsbu
Date: November 21, 2017, 11:07 am
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--- Quote from: VA_Seawolf link ---
>
> [quote author=iBOsbu link=topic=98.msg20162#msg20162
date=1511277994]
>
> Besides Fordham and Youngstown, none of the rest really excite
me. Even these two won’t make up for the loss of JMU and
Delaware.
>
> JMU has been FBS ready. But they don’t want go to
Sunbelt which has no peer school.. wisely. Delaware will be
starting to renovate and upgrade their stadium soon. I think
they both want to get in AAC or otherwise will stay at FCS. But
you are right though, no change will happen until Big 12 adds
more. And Big 12 will add more because need a real conference
title game... not the fake title game they are starting this
year.
>
> I just hope we continue to win and make buzz. And be ready
when the right opportunity comes along. We don’t need real
15k attendance for FBS invite. Coastal is a prime example. As
you mentioned earlier we have the facilities, budget, and
prestige. I love what we are doing now in CAA. And keep working
hard to be a better candidate than JMU and Delaware when AAC
eventually comes calling in 5/6 years. I would decline any
invite from sunbelt or cusa like JMU and wait for AAC. I am not
even interested in MAC anymore. CAA>MAC in my opinion. Peer
schools. Relatable. Rather than Akron or Ball state. Even
presence of Buffalo doesn’t entice me.
>
--- End Quote ---
It's slim pickings once schools start leaving the CAA. The
league is a strong as it's going to be going forward until
schools start leaving. None of those schools are very exciting,
but that's all that's left.
I agree the MAC isn't very exciting, but as the only realistic
path to FBS, it might be worth considering. Though save for
Buffalo, and whoever of NIU/Toledo/WMU is hot in the west that
year, I have zero interest in any of those schools. It's a tough
position. Going the Umass route is a non-starter I think, but
compared to a MAC schedule, I think an independent schedule
could be much more interesting. Now that Liberty is FBS, it's
hard to block other schools from going FBS Indy. If we can knock
off JMU and/or make a deep playoff run, the FBS buzz is going to
start up again. It always does when desirable schools start
winning. I believe we were actually in talks with the MAC about
being their 14th team if Umass joined for all-sports.
JMU and Delaware can want the AAC, but the AAC won't take any
FCS schools in it's current state. Once this Power 6 thing they
have falls apart after their best programs get raided by a
gutted Big 12, they may change their tune. I'd also love a new
east coast G5 conference that was once being rumored years ago.
the following would be nice:
Stony Brook, UNH, Uconn (FB only), Umass, Buffalo, Temple,
Delaware, JMU, ODU, Marshall, ECU, Georgia St.
In the meantime, I think our current situation is excellent as
we're in geographically logical leagues for both major sports.
The AE being strong this year in BB is a huge bonus too. Though
I'd like an all-sports move to the A10. That's the best non-FBS
move we can make. I couldn't give a damn about the CAA
all-sports conference anymore. Moving from one 1-bid league to
another makes little sense. Serves Hofstra right for trying to
block us.
[/quote]
That would be a dream come true.. but for some reason,
historically big football schools from northeast megapolis
(
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_megalopolis)
fight with
each other rather that working with each other. Schools
routinely blocking each other from the top of the chain in Old
Big East, ACC, etc to the bottom chain in CAA/Hofstra! lol I
hope Umass, Uconn, Temple etc come to senses and realize the
potential for a great conference in this region.
I also agree that we are in sweet position now.. with logical
leagues for both major sports. Just need to keep winning in both
:) If we have a run like JMU did last year to FCS title, we
would get 100 times more media exposure and publicity.. just for
being close to NYC and being a top National research university.
#Post#: 20169--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: newfan
Date: November 21, 2017, 11:53 am
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--- Quote from: newfan link ---
>
> [quote author=iBOsbu link=topic=98.msg20157#msg20157
date=1511273373]
> Either drop scholarships and be like Ivy, or add red-shirting
and be like CAA. Most of them have pretty good facilities for
FCS standard. Or may be Fordham can get into CAA if JMU ever
leaves.
>
--- End Quote ---
I am pretty certain the PL does have red shirting...for example
I know Holy Cross' QB is a 5th year senior and thanks to being
redshirted was able to be the rare (or maybe only) 4 year
football captain.
[/quote]
You could be right, at least in Holy Cross' case I know the QB
was a medical redshirt...which is how he became a 4 year
captain...redshirt actually occurred in his senior year and due
to a strong freshman year, he's been a captain since his
sophomore year
#Post#: 20170--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: ecasadoSBU
Date: November 21, 2017, 11:59 am
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I think the MAC with Buffalo, Massachusetts, and Stony Brook
would bring some interest for the Stony Brook fan. The problem
with UMass is that I'm not sure they want to leave the A10 for
MAC Basketball. If we could find a fourth school in the
Northeast area to join the MAC that would work well. Hey... who
knows... can they add Army?
#Post#: 20171--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: ecasadoSBU
Date: November 21, 2017, 12:04 pm
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--- Quote from: iBOsbu link ---
>
> [quote author=VA_Seawolf link=topic=98.msg20164#msg20164
date=1511281571]
> [quote author=iBOsbu link=topic=98.msg20162#msg20162
date=1511277994]
>
> Besides Fordham and Youngstown, none of the rest really excite
me. Even these two won’t make up for the loss of JMU and
Delaware.
>
> JMU has been FBS ready. But they don’t want go to Sunbelt
which has no peer school.. wisely. Delaware will be starting to
renovate and upgrade their stadium soon. I think they both want
to get in AAC or otherwise will stay at FCS. But you are right
though, no change will happen until Big 12 adds more. And Big 12
will add more because need a real conference title game... not
the fake title game they are starting this year.
>
> I just hope we continue to win and make buzz. And be ready
when the right opportunity comes along. We don’t need real 15k
attendance for FBS invite. Coastal is a prime example. As you
mentioned earlier we have the facilities, budget, and prestige.
I love what we are doing now in CAA. And keep working hard to be
a better candidate than JMU and Delaware when AAC eventually
comes calling in 5/6 years. I would decline any invite from
sunbelt or cusa like JMU and wait for AAC. I am not even
interested in MAC anymore. CAA>MAC in my opinion. Peer schools.
Relatable. Rather than Akron or Ball state. Even presence of
Buffalo doesn’t entice me.
>
--- End Quote ---
It's slim pickings once schools start leaving the CAA. The
league is a strong as it's going to be going forward until
schools start leaving. None of those schools are very exciting,
but that's all that's left.
I agree the MAC isn't very exciting, but as the only realistic
path to FBS, it might be worth considering. Though save for
Buffalo, and whoever of NIU/Toledo/WMU is hot in the west that
year, I have zero interest in any of those schools. It's a tough
position. Going the Umass route is a non-starter I think, but
compared to a MAC schedule, I think an independent schedule
could be much more interesting. Now that Liberty is FBS, it's
hard to block other schools from going FBS Indy. If we can knock
off JMU and/or make a deep playoff run, the FBS buzz is going to
start up again. It always does when desirable schools start
winning. I believe we were actually in talks with the MAC about
being their 14th team if Umass joined for all-sports.
JMU and Delaware can want the AAC, but the AAC won't take any
FCS schools in it's current state. Once this Power 6 thing they
have falls apart after their best programs get raided by a
gutted Big 12, they may change their tune. I'd also love a new
east coast G5 conference that was once being rumored years ago.
the following would be nice:
Stony Brook, UNH, Uconn (FB only), Umass, Buffalo, Temple,
Delaware, JMU, ODU, Marshall, ECU, Georgia St.
In the meantime, I think our current situation is excellent as
we're in geographically logical leagues for both major sports.
The AE being strong this year in BB is a huge bonus too. Though
I'd like an all-sports move to the A10. That's the best non-FBS
move we can make. I couldn't give a damn about the CAA
all-sports conference anymore. Moving from one 1-bid league to
another makes little sense. Serves Hofstra right for trying to
block us.
[/quote]
That would be a dream come true.. but for some reason,
historically big football schools from northeast megapolis
(
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_megalopolis)
fight with
each other rather that working with each other. Schools
routinely blocking each other from the top of the chain in Old
Big East, ACC, etc to the bottom chain in CAA/Hofstra! lol I
hope Umass, Uconn, Temple etc come to senses and realize the
potential for a great conference in this region.
I also agree that we are in sweet position now.. with logical
leagues for both major sports. Just need to keep winning in both
:) If we have a run like JMU did last year to FCS title, we
would get 100 times more media exposure and publicity.. just for
being close to NYC and being a top National research university.
[/quote]
That's because they are fighting to get the a share of the
extremely small pie of attention that College football gathers
in this region. The NFL dominates this part of the country like
no other (there are historical reasons for that. NFL was
centered in the NE from early on and the fall of the Ivy
destroyed all College Football traditions). Even at the highest
level, College Football is an afterthought for most people in
this part of the country. Look at BC/Syracuse/Rutgers - the
highest level of Power 5 CFB and it barely draws 30-40k fans per
game.
Life is rough in this region. Whatever we do we have to think
smart in financially... adding 20 more scholarships and leaving
the playoffs behind needs to be justified first - we seriously
need an sustainable attendance bump or a conference that will
bring in extra $$$
#Post#: 20172--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: November 21, 2017, 12:07 pm
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--- Quote from: ecasadoSBU link ---
>
> I think the MAC with Buffalo, Massachusetts, and Stony Brook
would bring some interest for the Stony Brook fan. The problem
with UMass is that I'm not sure they want to leave the A10 for
MAC Basketball. If we could find a fourth school in the
Northeast area to join the MAC that would work well. Hey... who
knows... can they add Army?
>
--- End Quote ---
Umass turned down an all sports invite to the MAC. A move that
may come back to bite them in the rear end now that their
football is struggling as an independent and the A10 only got
two bids last year. If anymore A10 realignment occurs, say VCU
to The American or Dayton and St. Louis to the Big East, Umass
will look like a bunch of fools for turning down the MAC and
will come back begging with their tail between their legs.
I think Army will stay as an independent. If they wanted to they
could join and G5 conference they want and have not done so. The
American would add them and Air Force/BYU in a heartbeat.
#Post#: 20173--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: November 21, 2017, 12:19 pm
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--- Quote from: ecasadoSBU link ---
>
>
> That's because they are fighting to get the a share of the
extremely small pie of attention that College football gathers
in this region. The NFL dominates this part of the country like
no other (there are historical reasons for that. NFL was
centered in the NE from early on and the fall of the Ivy
destroyed all College Football traditions). Even at the highest
level, College Football is an afterthought for most people in
this part of the country. Look at BC/Syracuse/Rutgers - the
highest level of Power 5 CFB and it barely draws 30-40k fans per
game.
>
>
> Life is rough in this region. Whatever we do we have to think
smart in financially... adding 20 more scholarships and leaving
the playoffs behind needs to be justified first - either we
seriously need an sustainable attendance bump or a conference
that will bring in extra $$$
>
--- End Quote ---
Two of the three schools you mentioned are private schools and
Rutgers is a perennial doormat. We'd probably beat them if we
played them this year. Penn St. I'd consider in the northeast
and they're near the top of all college football in attendance.
I don't think getting 25k out to games against regional
opponents out here is an unrealistic goal some day soon.
The 44 scholarships (have to keep the numbers for men and women
equal) is chump change compared to our budget. Our athletic
budget is already top 5 among FCS public schools and higher than
several FBS schools in G5 conferences. In 2015 we outspent San
Jose St. and Nevada and they play in the Mountain West.
I'm convinced once we go on a deep playoff run in either
football or basketball, Heilbron's phone will be ringing off the
hook for conference invites. Mac, A10, CAA, etc.
#Post#: 20178--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: iBOsbu
Date: November 21, 2017, 1:48 pm
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--- Quote from: VA_Seawolf link ---
>
> [quote author=ecasadoSBU link=topic=98.msg20171#msg20171
date=1511287478]
>
> That's because they are fighting to get the a share of the
extremely small pie of attention that College football gathers
in this region. The NFL dominates this part of the country like
no other (there are historical reasons for that. NFL was
centered in the NE from early on and the fall of the Ivy
destroyed all College Football traditions). Even at the highest
level, College Football is an afterthought for most people in
this part of the country. Look at BC/Syracuse/Rutgers - the
highest level of Power 5 CFB and it barely draws 30-40k fans per
game.
>
>
> Life is rough in this region. Whatever we do we have to think
smart in financially... adding 20 more scholarships and leaving
the playoffs behind needs to be justified first - either we
seriously need an sustainable attendance bump or a conference
that will bring in extra $$$
>
--- End Quote ---
Two of the three schools you mentioned are private schools and
Rutgers is a perennial doormat. We'd probably beat them if we
played them this year. Penn St. I'd consider in the northeast
and they're near the top of all college football in attendance.
I don't think getting 25k out to games against regional
opponents out here is an unrealistic goal some day soon.
The 44 scholarships (have to keep the numbers for men and women
equal) is chump change compared to our budget. Our athletic
budget is already top 5 among FCS public schools and higher than
several FBS schools in G5 conferences. In 2015 we outspent San
Jose St. and Nevada and they play in the Mountain West.
I'm convinced once we go on a deep playoff run in either
football or basketball, Heilbron's phone will be ringing off the
hook for conference invites. Mac, A10, CAA, etc.
[/quote]
Me too!
#Post#: 20186--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: ecasadoSBU
Date: November 21, 2017, 6:58 pm
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Yeah BC and Syracuse are private schools. But those are schools
with long football traditions. Syracuse gets a lot of fan
support from the city not just alumni, but they still can't draw
fans to their football games. BC is also private in a large New
England town but their fan base is more alumni based.
Rutgers sucks, we all know. But it's still B1G football! No
matter how bad they may be Big Ten is a high-level of football.
Connecticut was drawing 40k for most of the 2000s but after
downgrading to the AAC has seen their attendance collapse to the
20,000s. Guys, lets not underestimate how hard is going to be to
climb the ladder. I'm not saying we shouldn't try it. We should
aim that high but lets also be realistic of the CFB atmosphere
in the Northeast.
#Post#: 20189--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: November 21, 2017, 8:42 pm
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--- Quote from: VA_Seawolf link ---
>
> [quote author=iBOsbu link=topic=98.msg20157#msg20157
date=1511273373]
> I like the 4 home-home games scheduled with Fordham next 4
year’s. May be they can provide a new NYC/LI rivalry spark. May
be lol.
>
> I think Fordham wants to improve but stuck in Patriot League.
Patriot League as a whole needs to make a decision. They need to
commit to either fully follow their role model Ivy League or be
fully competitive. They are in between and it’s not helping
them. Either drop scholarships and be like Ivy, or add
red-shirting and be like CAA. Most of them have pretty good
facilities for FCS standard. Or may be Fordham can get into CAA
if JMU ever leaves.
>
--- End Quote ---
Fordham is a potential add if JMU, or any other programs leave.
Fordham
Monmouth
Howard
Hampton
CCSU
Youngstown St.
Robert Morris
Kennesaw St.
could all be backfills if 1-3 teams leave in no particular
order. All could be great additions, but none are worth
proactively expanding for. JMU will be the next team out the
door and then we'll see. Delaware is likely to follow if JMU
goes. Hopefully by then we're not far from an FBS invite either.
A pretty attractive conference of east coast G5 schools could be
made if the AAC gets raided by the Big 12 and implodes during
the next great realignment shuffle.
[/quote]
that's a good point- the b12 could at any point court houston,
SMU, tulsa, cincy, memphis. maybe even tulane? noting that
houston is the most successful of the lot, memphis/cincy have
their years, and we all know the SMU story...
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