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Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Seawolf97
Date: July 15, 2017, 12:59 pm
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Campi right now football is funded at nearly 5 million dollars
. We would need to have a stadium large enough for 15,000 fans
. Right now with the expansion we are just over 10k. The
main obstacle is fan base we need 10k fans every home game plus.
We have the money for the extra scholarships and travel and
expanding the fan base would increase revenue and fill seats our
present stadium can be expanded to 22 or 23 k . We just need
that magic invite from another conference
#Post#: 18679--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: July 15, 2017, 2:12 pm
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--- Quote from: Seawolf97 link ---
>
> Campi right now football is funded at nearly 5 million
dollars . We would need to have a stadium large enough for
15,000 fans . Right now with the expansion we are just over
10k. The main obstacle is fan base we need 10k fans every home
game plus. We have the money for the extra scholarships and
travel and expanding the fan base would increase revenue and
fill seats our present stadium can be expanded to 22 or 23 k .
We just need that magic invite from another conference
>
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Seawolf97. I agree with assessments, but no FBS conference will
ever invite an FCS team who doesn't have a history of a winning
season.. There are dozens and dozens of other teams in the FCS
who are more qualified to make the move up, not SB.
I read something online last week about this exact subject.
Since 1978, when the FCS was formed under 20 teams have made the
move up to FBS and about half are successful today.. In order
for SB to ever be considered for a move up to FBS they would
need to start winning conferences and start selling out
stadiums. SB is nowhere near any of the above. Now, that could
all change in an instint. But the change has to come from the
top. SH. Heilbron needs to give coach P the boot and bring in
somebody who has the experience of moving a team up from FCS to
FBS or someone who has a winning caliber in either conference.
Like you said. SB has the $$$ to support the move up to FBS, but
with money being the driving force with TV deals, SB is only on
the outside looking in. I would love nothing more but to watch a
game at LaValles stadium where we are playing Clemson, BC,
Cincinnati, Temple ..... at home!!
#Post#: 18680--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: July 15, 2017, 3:18 pm
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--- Quote from: Hammertime link ---
>
>
> Seawolf97. I agree with assessments, but no FBS conference
will ever invite an FCS team who doesn't have a history of a
winning season.. There are dozens and dozens of other teams in
the FCS who are more qualified to make the move up, not SB.
>
> I read something online last week about this exact subject.
Since 1978, when the FCS was formed under 20 teams have made the
move up to FBS and about half are successful today.. In order
for SB to ever be considered for a move up to FBS they would
need to start winning conferences and start selling out
stadiums. SB is nowhere near any of the above. Now, that could
all change in an instint. But the change has to come from the
top. SH. Heilbron needs to give coach P the boot and bring in
somebody who has the experience of moving a team up from FCS to
FBS or someone who has a winning caliber in either conference.
Like you said. SB has the $$$ to support the move up to FBS, but
with money being the driving force with TV deals, SB is only on
the outside looking in. I would love nothing more but to watch a
game at LaValles stadium where we are playing Clemson, BC,
Cincinnati, Temple ..... at home!!
>
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Respectfully Hammertime, you couldn't be more wrong on this one.
I think in general, you guys are way overestimating what it
takes to be an FBS program. The bar is much, much lower than you
make it out to be. Many current FBS programs didn't even have a
football program a decade ago. South Alabama, Georgia State, UNC
Charlotte, Old Dominion, and UTSA all fall into that category.
They didn't even have a team ten years ago and are now FBS.
Texas State was an average at best program in the Southland a
decade ago, now they're in the Sun Belt.
I'd like to field a competitive FCS program before we move, but
that's not required. Our academic reputation will carry us far
further along the path to FBS than winning ever could. We're a
top 100 research university located just outside of NYC, and
we're arguably the top public school in the whole state. Of the
four research centers, we're the closest to the city and thus
the main population center of the state. All these TV execs want
to talk about large markets? Look no further.
We also are a member of the AAU
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Universities#Membership.<br
/>That's a big friggin deal. If you look at the schools who are
in
the AAU who field football programs, the majority of them are in
power 5 conferences. Of all the public schools in the AAU who
have football, the only ones who have it in the FCS are UC
Davis, and us. Every one else if they field a football program
is either FBS, in the Ivy League or don't care about athletics
and put their programs into D3 like John's Hopkins, Washington U
of St. Louis, University of Chicago, etc. That's very good
company to keep.
If schools like ULM, and Eastern Michigan can be FBS, we can be
FBS too. 15k average attendance is the minimum cutoff, but those
numbers are often fudged by the universities through buying up
their own tickets. We've done the same thing. There's no chance
in hell 12k people attended Homecoming last year, but that was
the reported attendance. Never mind that the NCAA doesn't even
enforce the 15k rule. With the cold weather and all the mid-week
games, I guarantee you most of the MAC isn't hitting 15K.
The two newest additions to FBS; Coastal Carolina and Liberty
are both teams we used to frequently lay the beatdown on when we
were in the Big South. Coastal's stadium was smaller than ours
when they got the invite from the Sun Belt. When smaller schools
in tiny markets with worse academics than ours are getting
called up to FBS, I don't for a second believe that we'd be
overlooked for an invitation. Get the stadium up to 20k (or
promise to), and the invite will come. Winning is just icing on
the cake for us.
For a lot of schools, they have great athletic programs, but
have bad academics or are in a poor location. We don't have
those problems. It's much easier to improve the athletics than
it is to improve the school. Remember when the Big 12 was
looking to expand last year? The academically strong private
schools (Rice, Tulane) made it further in the process than the
football powers Boise State and ECU. Boise will never be in the
Pac-12. Academics matter folks.
#Post#: 18681--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Seawolf97
Date: July 15, 2017, 3:24 pm
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I agree our academics are far and above most schools . I
really think expanding the name and brand of the school will
help us immensely . This is something I think the athletic
department is working on for 2017-2018.
#Post#: 18684--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Campi47
Date: July 17, 2017, 9:56 am
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The NCAA I'm sure made it At least 25K and whatever the budget
is now it will have to be doubled because once you move to the
BCS level you have to increase your scholarships to 85 I believe
Coaches salaries will jump Travel Budget will definitely
increase and we can't fill the stadium now what makes you think
that we could get 15K or more to each home game
#Post#: 18685--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Campi47
Date: July 17, 2017, 10:06 am
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I just checked it was 30K however in 2003 they changed it that
you must have 15K paid fans per game I think right now we
average maybe 5K per game
#Post#: 18686--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: July 17, 2017, 11:19 am
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agree with the comment that what we have on our side is the
academics. and that's good, because these are students first.
but as far as filling 15k into a stadium once per week- cant do
that if no one's on campus on a saturday- well i suppose you
could but we've all been stuck in nichols traffic both going in
and out of the game...
#Post#: 18688--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: July 17, 2017, 11:45 am
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--- Quote from: Campi47 link ---
>
> I just checked it was 30K however in 2003 they changed it that
you must have 15K paid fans per game I think right now we
average maybe 5K per game
>
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I think IF, big if, SB goes FBS they could come very close to
filling up 15k seats. The news would be huge and heard all
around the Island and NYC.. I also think if they find a well
known name to replace coach P, that will also help fill the
seats. Winning a few games against FBS foes definitely helps
with filling seats, too...
#Post#: 18690--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: July 17, 2017, 5:46 pm
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--- Quote from: Campi47 link ---
>
> The NCAA I'm sure made it At least 25K and whatever the budget
is now it will have to be doubled because once you move to the
BCS level you have to increase your scholarships to 85 I believe
Coaches salaries will jump Travel Budget will definitely
increase and we can't fill the stadium now what makes you think
that we could get 15K or more to each home game
>
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It's 15K, not 25K, and all you need is 15K sold. The school
would just need to buy up it's own tickets and it'd be fine.
Schools fudge the numbers all the time. I'd like a legitimate
15k, and we'll get there, but it's not a very hard thing to at
least pretend like you're compliant on attendance. Again, this
never gets enforced. If that rule was actually enforced, most of
the MAC and Sun Belt, Idaho, NMSU, and others would have been
demoted to FCS long ago.
Yes the budget would increase, but we wouldn't have to double
our budget. See my other thread
HTML http://sbufan.createaforum.com/general-discussion/ncaa-athletic-revenues-and-expenses-for-public-universities-(usa-today)/msg18643/#msg18643<br
/>and the associated statistics. We're already outspending 1/3rd
of public G5 schools despite being FCS. Many of the programs
we're outspending are good ones too (GA Southern, Marshall,
WKU). If we literally doubled our budget we'd be spending at
near power conference levels.
Take Buffalo for example. They're FBS, yet they're only ~$3M
more a year than us; that's nothing. Our spending in the past
year or so has grown by more than that. The scholarship issue is
easily fixed. Add the 22 for football, and then add a women's
sport or better fund the women's sports we already have.
Alternatively add to football, cut men's soccer, and we're title
IX compliant if not most of the way there. The scholarships will
not the problem.
--- Quote from: Hammertime link ---
>
> I think IF, big if, SB goes FBS they could come very close to
filling up 15k seats. The news would be huge and heard all
around the Island and NYC.. I also think if they find a well
known name to replace coach P, that will also help fill the
seats. Winning a few games against FBS foes definitely helps
with filling seats, too...
>
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I agree completely. That's the benefit of being a good school in
a large market. If even a fraction of a percent of the
population of Long Island (not even counting NYC) cared enough
about SBU football, we'd sell the place out easily. We have a
very good opportunity to position ourselves as a closer,
affordable alternative to the NFL teams if the Athletic
Department markets this team correctly. We need to WIN to
maximize that interest though, so Priore has to go, but win and
people will come. As an FBS school with our academic reputation,
local schools will be much more willing and able to come to
campus and play us. A good home schedule would be key. Being FBS
opens up the opportunity to play all these regional teams we
simply cannot get right now:
Umass would play us no matter what as they're independent and
need games
Uconn
Temple
Army
Navy
Cincinnati
Buffalo (likely to be a conference game)
These are only the G5 programs near us who could play at
Lavalle. Turn out for these games would be way better than Rhode
Island and Maine. Opposing fans would travel well too obviously.
If we can get a deal to use Yankee Stadium, Citi Field, or
Metlife for games? We could host neutral site games against P5
schools like Syracuse, Maryland, BC, UVA, Pitt, etc. Our
location opens up a lot of doors since the big schools can use
the game as a recruiting trip for the talented kids on LI and
Jersey. Location is how ODU can get UNC to come to campus for
games and how perennial bottom dweller FIU is able to get Big
Ten schools to come to campus. If you're located near talent,
schools can use the away game near you as a recruiting trip to
access that talent. If Buffalo could get friggin Baylor to come
to town when they were good, I'm sure we could get even better
programs to come.
#Post#: 18692--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Seawolf97
Date: July 18, 2017, 1:27 pm
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I want to see how our new seats fill out for home games
this year .I'm sure we sellout for homecoming but after that it
could go down hill again. If we can fill 10k seats and make
basketball do the same in our arena we are in good shape.
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