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#Post#: 18586--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: June 2, 2017, 3:38 pm
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--- Quote from: laxnation link ---
>
> [quote author=Hammertime link=topic=98.msg18583#msg18583
date=1496392347]
> Kylie Ohlmiller doesnt win the Tewaaraton award is another
reason why SB needs to part ways with the AE conference. She
shattered records in both points and assists and gets the cold
shoulder from the committee. Thats twice in one month SBWL gots
screwed because of this bottom dweller conference.
>
> I sure hope SH breaks away from the AE and becomes full member
of the CAA.
>
> Some people on this board thinks the CAA is in par with the
AE, I dont and the proof is in the pudding.
>
> I feel bad for Kylie. She had all the accolades to win the
award, and she should have....
>
--- End Quote ---
I'll shed some light on Tewaaratan award. The Maryland girl won
it because she is a senior, who not only scored points, but
takes draws, while Kylie is only a junior. Kylie will win the
Award next year.
Outside of maybe football, the CAA gets zero respect!
If you have any lacrosse questions or concerns please always
come to me first. 😀
[/quote]
The CAA is SB only choice. Odds are we'll never see them play in
a power conference like the Big10 in our lifetime. Either stay
in the AE or move into the CAA. I would rather take the CAA..
#Post#: 18587--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Chrissy D.
Date: June 3, 2017, 11:33 am
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The AE has already had two tewaaraton winners, Lyle and Miles
Thompson shared it in 2014 and Lyle in 2015. If SB would have
beat Maryland it would have been a different story. Voting is
done after the playoffs and championship is over.
#Post#: 18664--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: DCwolf
Date: July 13, 2017, 3:42 pm
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--- Quote from: Hammertime link ---
>
> The CAA is SB only choice. Odds are we'll never see them play
in a power conference like the Big10 in our lifetime. Either
stay in the AE or move into the CAA. I would rather take the
CAA..
>
--- End Quote ---
Here's my prediction: Stony Brook keeps a close eye on movement
within the A-10.
A few reasons why:
First, it fits geographically. As with the AE, New York sits in
the middle of the conference's footprint.
Second, the A-10 has about as high a profile as you can get
outside the Power 5 conferences, particularly when it comes to
basketball.
Third, Stony Brook would likely be an attractive addition for
the A-10 as well, which would add another program in the
lucrative New York market and gives the conference an immediate
boost in some other sports like Women's Lacrosse and baseball.
And fourth, it doesn't sponsor football. Which means Stony Brook
could keep it's affiliation with the CAA while still elevating
men's basketball — and every other sport. Plus there is already
a strong connection between the A-10 and the CAA (Richmond,
Rhode Island and UMass all have joint membership).
Pitfalls:
No men's lacrosse. The A-10 sponsors WLAX but not currently the
men. UMass plays Men's lacrosse with the CAA, that could be one
option for Stony Brook as well.
Travel: Most members are along the I-95 corridor, but some — St.
Louis, Dayton, Duquesne — are a hike.
Competition: Obviously a tougher conference means tougher
competition. Stony Brook will have to be comfortable being a
middling program for at least a few years instead of top dog in
the America East.
All this being said, I think Stony Brook is no fewer than three
years away from even seriously considering a conference move.
The window might have been open a few years back with the CAA,
but I think basketball needs a few more years of consistent
success (and another NCAA bid or two would be nice) before they
make moves.
#Post#: 18668--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: July 14, 2017, 12:18 am
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--- Quote from: DCwolf link ---
>
> [quote author=Hammertime link=topic=98.msg18586#msg18586
date=1496435934]
> The CAA is SB only choice. Odds are we'll never see them play
in a power conference like the Big10 in our lifetime. Either
stay in the AE or move into the CAA. I would rather take the
CAA..
>
--- End Quote ---
Here's my prediction: Stony Brook keeps a close eye on movement
within the A-10.
A few reasons why:
First, it fits geographically. As with the AE, New York sits in
the middle of the conference's footprint.
Second, the A-10 has about as high a profile as you can get
outside the Power 5 conferences, particularly when it comes to
basketball.
Third, Stony Brook would likely be an attractive addition for
the A-10 as well, which would add another program in the
lucrative New York market and gives the conference an immediate
boost in some other sports like Women's Lacrosse and baseball.
And fourth, it doesn't sponsor football. Which means Stony Brook
could keep it's affiliation with the CAA while still elevating
men's basketball — and every other sport. Plus there is
already a strong connection between the A-10 and the CAA
(Richmond, Rhode Island and UMass all have joint membership).
Pitfalls:
No men's lacrosse. The A-10 sponsors WLAX but not currently the
men. UMass plays Men's lacrosse with the CAA, that could be one
option for Stony Brook as well.
Travel: Most members are along the I-95 corridor, but some
— St. Louis, Dayton, Duquesne — are a hike.
Competition: Obviously a tougher conference means tougher
competition. Stony Brook will have to be comfortable being a
middling program for at least a few years instead of top dog in
the America East.
All this being said, I think Stony Brook is no fewer than three
years away from even seriously considering a conference move.
The window might have been open a few years back with the CAA,
but I think basketball needs a few more years of consistent
success (and another NCAA bid or two would be nice) before they
make moves.
[/quote]
A move to the A10 would be a great one. It's the only
realignment move I'd support that didn't involve an FBS league.
Unlike moving to the CAA, which in my mind would be a lateral
move (one 1 bid conference to another), the A10 is consistently
a multi-bid conference that you can expect to put at least three
teams a year into the NCAA tournament. That is worth moving for.
Move up, not laterally. I'd tell the CAA to go pound sand as all
their good teams are gone. Increasing the travel budget for
what? Just so we can play UNC Wilmington and College of
Charleston? JMU is out the door anyway as I'm sure they'll get
the call from an FBS league soon enough. Hofstra can be a
non-conference game. Serves them right for trying to keep us
out.
The problem with the A10 is that why would they expand right
now? They're already at 14 and if they lose members, there's
really no impetus for them to expand as they could lose as many
as three schools and just go to a full double round-robin with
11 teams 20 games. Unless there have been actual talks between
us and the A10, I wouldn't expect an invite from them. I'd love
to be in that league, but I just don't see an invite coming
anytime soon from them. I guess IF a team left the A10 (VCU,
Dayton, St. Louis are all rumored targets of other conferences)
there'd be a chance we'd get the call, but I wouldn't count on
it.
I think personally we'll remain in the AE until we get the call
from an FBS league (probably the MAC). I wouldn't mind a
football only move to any of the MAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt though.
Especially if it meant we could either keep everything else in
the AE or potentially the A10 if we did get that invite. That
would ideal if you ask me. Outside of Buffalo nobody in the MAC
interests me and sending the Olympic sports to Ohio and Michigan
every week may not be worth it compared to what we have going
for us in the AE. I'd do it though if it were our only ticket to
FBS.
I'd be ok with football only in CUSA or the Sun Belt too. You
can't complain about playing South Alabama, Middle Tennessee, or
Georgia State when you used to share a league with Gardner Webb
and Presbyterian.
#Post#: 18669--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: July 14, 2017, 3:33 am
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--- Quote from: VA_Seawolf link ---
>
> [quote author=DCwolf link=topic=98.msg18664#msg18664
date=1499978546]
> [quote author=Hammertime link=topic=98.msg18586#msg18586
date=1496435934]
> The CAA is SB only choice. Odds are we'll never see them play
in a power conference like the Big10 in our lifetime. Either
stay in the AE or move into the CAA. I would rather take the
CAA..
>
--- End Quote ---
Here's my prediction: Stony Brook keeps a close eye on movement
within the A-10.
A few reasons why:
First, it fits geographically. As with the AE, New York sits in
the middle of the conference's footprint.
Second, the A-10 has about as high a profile as you can get
outside the Power 5 conferences, particularly when it comes to
basketball.
Third, Stony Brook would likely be an attractive addition for
the A-10 as well, which would add another program in the
lucrative New York market and gives the conference an immediate
boost in some other sports like Women's Lacrosse and baseball.
And fourth, it doesn't sponsor football. Which means Stony Brook
could keep it's affiliation with the CAA while still elevating
men's basketball — and every other sport. Plus there is already
a strong connection between the A-10 and the CAA (Richmond,
Rhode Island and UMass all have joint membership).
Pitfalls:
No men's lacrosse. The A-10 sponsors WLAX but not currently the
men. UMass plays Men's lacrosse with the CAA, that could be one
option for Stony Brook as well.
Travel: Most members are along the I-95 corridor, but some — St.
Louis, Dayton, Duquesne — are a hike.
Competition: Obviously a tougher conference means tougher
competition. Stony Brook will have to be comfortable being a
middling program for at least a few years instead of top dog in
the America East.
All this being said, I think Stony Brook is no fewer than three
years away from even seriously considering a conference move.
The window might have been open a few years back with the CAA,
but I think basketball needs a few more years of consistent
success (and another NCAA bid or two would be nice) before they
make moves.
[/quote]
A move to the A10 would be a great one. It's the only
realignment move I'd support that didn't involve an FBS league.
Unlike moving to the CAA, which in my mind would be a lateral
move (one 1 bid conference to another), the A10 is consistently
a multi-bid conference that you can expect to put at least three
teams a year into the NCAA tournament. That is worth moving for.
Move up, not laterally. I'd tell the CAA to go pound sand as all
their good teams are gone. Increasing the travel budget for
what? Just so we can play UNC Wilmington and College of
Charleston? JMU is out the door anyway as I'm sure they'll get
the call from an FBS league soon enough. Hofstra can be a
non-conference game. Serves them right for trying to keep us
out.
The problem with the A10 is that why would they expand right
now? They're already at 14 and if they lose members, there's
really no impetus for them to expand as they could lose as many
as three schools and just go to a full double round-robin with
11 teams 20 games. Unless there have been actual talks between
us and the A10, I wouldn't expect an invite from them. I'd love
to be in that league, but I just don't see an invite coming
anytime soon from them. I guess IF a team left the A10 (VCU,
Dayton, St. Louis are all rumored targets of other conferences)
there'd be a chance we'd get the call, but I wouldn't count on
it.
I think personally we'll remain in the AE until we get the call
from an FBS league (probably the MAC). I wouldn't mind a
football only move to any of the MAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt though.
Especially if it meant we could either keep everything else in
the AE or potentially the A10 if we did get that invite. That
would ideal if you ask me. Outside of Buffalo nobody in the MAC
interests me and sending the Olympic sports to Ohio and Michigan
every week may not be worth it compared to what we have going
for us in the AE. I'd do it though if it were our only ticket to
FBS.
I'd be ok with football only in CUSA or the Sun Belt too. You
can't complain about playing South Alabama, Middle Tennessee, or
Georgia State when you used to share a league with Gardner Webb
and Presbyterian.
[/quote
I would love to see SBB play in the A10 but dont see that
happening, in my lifetime.. Besides, having a school participate
in 3 different conferences really doesn't make sense..
Unless SH has strong plans to help the football team make the
leap into the FBS, SB is better off staying in the CAA . AS far
as BB and all other sports in the AE, the CAA is a step up in my
opinion. The girls Lacrosse team should not be playing in the
AE. Outside of UA and Vermont the AE is horrible for basketball.
I'd expect UA will be making the move out of the AE in all
sports withing the next 3 to 5 years. SB will probably follow
little brother..
#Post#: 18670--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: July 14, 2017, 3:35 am
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--- Quote from: Hammertime link ---
>
> [quote author=VA_Seawolf link=topic=98.msg18668#msg18668
date=1500009481]
> [quote author=DCwolf link=topic=98.msg18664#msg18664
date=1499978546]
> [quote author=Hammertime link=topic=98.msg18586#msg18586
date=1496435934]
> The CAA is SB only choice. Odds are we'll never see them play
in a power conference like the Big10 in our lifetime. Either
stay in the AE or move into the CAA. I would rather take the
CAA..
>
--- End Quote ---
Here's my prediction: Stony Brook keeps a close eye on movement
within the A-10.
A few reasons why:
First, it fits geographically. As with the AE, New York sits in
the middle of the conference's footprint.
Second, the A-10 has about as high a profile as you can get
outside the Power 5 conferences, particularly when it comes to
basketball.
Third, Stony Brook would likely be an attractive addition for
the A-10 as well, which would add another program in the
lucrative New York market and gives the conference an immediate
boost in some other sports like Women's Lacrosse and baseball.
And fourth, it doesn't sponsor football. Which means Stony Brook
could keep it's affiliation with the CAA while still elevating
men's basketball — and every other sport. Plus there is already
a strong connection between the A-10 and the CAA (Richmond,
Rhode Island and UMass all have joint membership).
Pitfalls:
No men's lacrosse. The A-10 sponsors WLAX but not currently the
men. UMass plays Men's lacrosse with the CAA, that could be one
option for Stony Brook as well.
Travel: Most members are along the I-95 corridor, but some — St.
Louis, Dayton, Duquesne — are a hike.
Competition: Obviously a tougher conference means tougher
competition. Stony Brook will have to be comfortable being a
middling program for at least a few years instead of top dog in
the America East.
All this being said, I think Stony Brook is no fewer than three
years away from even seriously considering a conference move.
The window might have been open a few years back with the CAA,
but I think basketball needs a few more years of consistent
success (and another NCAA bid or two would be nice) before they
make moves.
[/quote]
A move to the A10 would be a great one. It's the only
realignment move I'd support that didn't involve an FBS league.
Unlike moving to the CAA, which in my mind would be a lateral
move (one 1 bid conference to another), the A10 is consistently
a multi-bid conference that you can expect to put at least three
teams a year into the NCAA tournament. That is worth moving for.
Move up, not laterally. I'd tell the CAA to go pound sand as all
their good teams are gone. Increasing the travel budget for
what? Just so we can play UNC Wilmington and College of
Charleston? JMU is out the door anyway as I'm sure they'll get
the call from an FBS league soon enough. Hofstra can be a
non-conference game. Serves them right for trying to keep us
out.
The problem with the A10 is that why would they expand right
now? They're already at 14 and if they lose members, there's
really no impetus for them to expand as they could lose as many
as three schools and just go to a full double round-robin with
11 teams 20 games. Unless there have been actual talks between
us and the A10, I wouldn't expect an invite from them. I'd love
to be in that league, but I just don't see an invite coming
anytime soon from them. I guess IF a team left the A10 (VCU,
Dayton, St. Louis are all rumored targets of other conferences)
there'd be a chance we'd get the call, but I wouldn't count on
it.
I think personally we'll remain in the AE until we get the call
from an FBS league (probably the MAC). I wouldn't mind a
football only move to any of the MAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt though.
Especially if it meant we could either keep everything else in
the AE or potentially the A10 if we did get that invite. That
would ideal if you ask me. Outside of Buffalo nobody in the MAC
interests me and sending the Olympic sports to Ohio and Michigan
every week may not be worth it compared to what we have going
for us in the AE. I'd do it though if it were our only ticket to
FBS.
I'd be ok with football only in CUSA or the Sun Belt too. You
can't complain about playing South Alabama, Middle Tennessee, or
Georgia State when you used to share a league with Gardner Webb
and Presbyterian.
[/quote
I would love to see SBB play in the A10 but dont see that
happening, in my lifetime.. Besides, having a school participate
in 3 different conferences really doesn't make sense..
Unless SH has strong plans to help the football team make the
leap into the FBS, SB is better off staying in the CAA . AS far
as BB and all other sports in the AE, the CAA is a step up in my
opinion. The girls Lacrosse team should not be playing in the
AE. Outside of UA and Vermont the AE is horrible for basketball.
I'd expect UA will be making the move out of the AE in all
sports withing the next 3 to 5 years. SB will probably follow
little brother..
[/quote]
I would love to see SBB play in the A10 but dont see that
happening, in my lifetime.. Besides, having a school participate
in 3 different conferences really doesn't make sense..
Unless SH has strong plans to help the football team make the
leap into the FBS, SB is better off staying in the CAA . AS far
as BB and all other sports in the AE, the CAA is a step up in my
opinion. The girls Lacrosse team should not be playing in the
AE. Outside of UA and Vermont the AE is horrible for basketball.
I'd expect UA will be making the move out of the AE in all
sports withing the next 3 to 5 years. SB will probably follow
little brother..
#Post#: 18673--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Seawolf97
Date: July 14, 2017, 10:37 am
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The A10 is very competitive in basketball and possibly
baseball . I don't know if that's the best move . I like the
idea of the MAC or the AAC long term both at FBS Conferences
with decent teams. Hopefully expanding the stadium, building
the indoor facility and our academic profile overall ill get
us there someday.
#Post#: 18674--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: July 14, 2017, 1:02 pm
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I think we could be FBS in 10 years easily. The only things
holding us back are the stadium and attendance. Get those up and
we're a shoe-in. Even our horrid football these past four
seasons can't hold us back from our potential. Ideally I'd like
us to be FBS by 2024 so we can be in the door before the next
CFP TV contract gets negotiated, but even if we're not that's
ok. We'll get there.
#Post#: 18675--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Seawolf97
Date: July 14, 2017, 1:09 pm
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I agree with you VA Seawolf. It could be very nice to watch
FBS games .
#Post#: 18677--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Campi47
Date: July 15, 2017, 12:31 pm
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There are several obstacles that have to take place for SBU to
go up to the FBS and they are a follows; I believe you need your
stadium to have 25,000 seats, right now it costs $2M a year to
run the football program when you move up it goes to around $5M
a year (that includes more scholarships, travel budget, coaching
budget), Etc.
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