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#Post#: 10859--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Seawolf97
Date: May 17, 2014, 8:03 pm
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Our fan base has to grow and brand recognition along with it.
I used the example of Army a team that has fallen on hard
times but still draws the crowds built just on its legendary
past. Our facilities are either brand new or recently
renovated so that wont be an issue. Our new AD's mission for
now is grow fans in the seats and raise funding from
private sources. So I expect over the next few years it will be
about money and winning at this level across the board. Tricky
in our unstable economy but do able. Of course the instability
of college sports itself is another big factor . So hopefully
we can overcome all this in the next ten years. Exciting times
are ahead of us! We need a piece of the NY market place to
carve our niche.
#Post#: 10860--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: BigFatFan
Date: May 17, 2014, 9:14 pm
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this was an interesting comment in the article: Heilbron will
encounter a different set of problems at Stony Brook, which
competes in a New York metro market with nine professional teams
and doesn't draw from a football-oriented culture, but Stansbury
says Heilbron is prepared
In spite of having two pro football teams in the area, though
not really that close by if you consider you have to drive to
new jersey, the LI folk may not be college football-centric.
instead, it seems like LAX is the main sport of LI
#Post#: 10864--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Seawolf97
Date: May 18, 2014, 3:37 pm
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I think if we maintain a wining culture, keep it fan friendly
with reasonable prices we can draw 15-18 k easily someday.
We are the only game in town for college football on Long
Island, easier travel and less money than the NFL. Lax is
big out here for sure but football is fall sport, and can
fill that space until the lacrosse season begins.
#Post#: 10870--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: jaghatai
Date: May 18, 2014, 7:04 pm
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We just need to adjust our football culture/timeframe.
Long Island especially doesn't follow the "High School on
Friday, College on Saturday, Pro on Sunday" mentality embraced
around the rest of the country. We'd need to adjust the
schedule to accommodate this (do something like what Boise St.
did and play Thursday nights, before the NFL took Thursday
over...). More games on Saturday nights (instead of days) or
have them on Friday nights.
Either way, if the team is successful, the crowds will come.
#Post#: 10874--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: EMU Steve
Date: May 19, 2014, 5:03 am
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--- Quote from: RecoveringHillbilly link ---
>
> I understand the beginning of Stanley's quote is likely him
speaking in a guarded fashion. Even as president of an FCS
school I'm sure he's paid attention to the majority of recent
move-ups and not just the cases of FCS success UMass, App St and
Georgia Southern earned. Georgia St, ODU, UTSA, Charlotte: One
FCS indy to Sun Belt start-up [dud] and 3 start-ups going brief
FCS indy then straight to CUSA. And South Alabama also started
from scratch with its Sun Belt position already set.
>
> Buffalo joined the MAC in most sports in '98 and joined MAC FB
in '99. But the invitation to join the MAC came in March '93
when UB was still a D3 football program, before the move to 1AA
in fall '93. All it took were stipulations including adding 14K
seats and baseball/softball. It occurred in the same meeting
when MAC re-invitations went out to Marshall and NIU. Not only
were those 3 invited, but YSU was also analyzed. A program with
a recent 1991 1AA Championship, a 1992 title game loss, and Jim
Tressel? No thanks, said the MAC presidents. No new market
gained, too redundant with Akron/Kent St. If you have a plan for
gaining financial means and data showing new market penetration
& potential, some FBS league will take a serious look.
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: RecoveringHillbilly link ---
>
> I understand the beginning of Stanley's quote is likely him
speaking in a guarded fashion. Even as president of an FCS
school I'm sure he's paid attention to the majority of recent
move-ups and not just the cases of FCS success UMass, App St and
Georgia Southern earned. Georgia St, ODU, UTSA, Charlotte: One
FCS indy to Sun Belt start-up [dud] and 3 start-ups going brief
FCS indy then straight to CUSA. And South Alabama also started
from scratch with its Sun Belt position already set.
>
> Buffalo joined the MAC in most sports in '98 and joined MAC FB
in '99. But the invitation to join the MAC came in March '93
when UB was still a D3 football program, before the move to 1AA
in fall '93. All it took were stipulations including adding 14K
seats and baseball/softball. It occurred in the same meeting
when MAC re-invitations went out to Marshall and NIU. Not only
were those 3 invited, but YSU was also analyzed. A program with
a recent 1991 1AA Championship, a 1992 title game loss, and Jim
Tressel? No thanks, said the MAC presidents. No new market
gained, too redundant with Akron/Kent St. If you have a plan for
gaining financial means and data showing new market penetration
& potential, some FBS league will take a serious look.
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: Seawolf97 link ---
>
> Our fan base has to grow and brand recognition along with it.
I used the example of Army a team that has fallen on hard
times but still draws the crowds built just on its legendary
past. Our facilities are either brand new or recently
renovated so that wont be an issue. Our new AD's mission for
now is grow fans in the seats and raise funding from
private sources. So I expect over the next few years it will be
about money and winning at this level across the board. Tricky
in our unstable economy but do able. Of course the instability
of college sports itself is another big factor . So hopefully
we can overcome all this in the next ten years. Exciting times
are ahead of us! We need a piece of the NY market place to
carve our niche.
>
--- End Quote ---
I remember when the MAC re-added NIU, took a fledgeling Buffalo
team and ever ambitious Marshall. That worked despite the loss
of Marshall and UCF (later).
Round II was Temple/UMass which got messed up when Temple
quickly got an offer from the then Big East and bolted about as
fast as the Colts did from Baltimore many years ago.
I still believe that the MAC, CAUTIOUSLY, twice burned, is still
looking at Round III FB expansion.
What I see is: Two schools, eastern FCS schools, must join
together, all sports, and literally joined at the hips.
Where I think SB had bad timing. Let's fast forward 5 - 7
years: UMass was stuck as #13 and 13 is a bad, bad number. The
MAC wanted #14. If SB was further along say where you hope to
be in 2020, SB could have been #14. I'm guessing that the MAC
would have allowed UMass to be football only IF they had a solid
#14 for FB and SB meets the general requirements.
It would be nice if there was another school chomping at the bit
to go FBS. Delaware comes to mind. Then come as a package deal.
BTW, MAC FBS FB is financially feasible. MAC schools should
begin receiving 1M/year/school from the college FB playoffs
starting this FB season. MAC supposedly is working on a new
television deal with ESPN. MAC schools typically get 1M+ each
year road game guarantees (a good guarantee can be in the 600 -
750K range). Some MAC schools can earn 1M a year in home FB
game revenues (say 50K tixs @ an ave. of $20 each or 10K per 5
home games.)
#Post#: 10878--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Chrissy D.
Date: May 19, 2014, 1:46 pm
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Sat evening or night gms I think draw the best crowds. Friday
night gms for High School teams on the island is getting bigger
so you don't want to compete with that.
#Post#: 10879--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: May 19, 2014, 1:49 pm
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yes but thurs night games will be best for student
participation, no? didnt we do one thurs night game recently?
how did it turn out?
#Post#: 10880--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: BigFatFan
Date: May 19, 2014, 1:54 pm
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Sat eve or night games are great while the weather remains good,
this allows people to get their errands done on saturday, then
attend the game. as season moves on, and weather gets colder in
late Oct and November, I think they should move the games to an
afternoon start.
we have a thursday game coming up this season. lets see how that
goes. usually teams tend to do one of these "thursday games"
once per season. seems like we have ours ideally situated right
before Labor Day weekend, with the school back in session, we
should get a great turnout.
#Post#: 10883--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: RecoveringHillbilly
Date: May 19, 2014, 4:37 pm
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Beyond attendance and game dates, Stony Brook would be wise to
also strike a local TV deal for football as the schedule
improves and the team acclimates to the CAA. There are only so
many slots open for CAA NBCSN and Comcast/SNY games. So, for
example, if SBU could gain a deal with WLNY 10/55 for select
home game broadcast, it would benefit both parties. Not everyone
wants to watch games online so SBU gains coverage across the
market, and WLNY gains filler for Saturdays.
It would then become much like the deals FBS and higher-level
FCS teams hold. Here in WNY, UB will have games broadcast on 3
different Tiers. 1st tier is the ESPN/2/U/Regional deal. 2nd
tier are home games picked up by Time-Warner Cable Sports. The
3rd tier is a new deal reached with the local NBC affiliate WGRZ
to become "The Home of UB Athletics". The WGRZ deal isn't so
much about major money changing hands as it is the school and
station agreeing to cross-market. UB produces the coach's shows
and games and WGRZ provides air-time.
This is the contract, just to give some idea of what SBU could
request:
HTML http://cdn1.sbnation.com/assets/3888457/WGRZ_Agreement_UB_Athletics_2013-signed.pdf
HTML http://cdn1.sbnation.com/assets/3888457/WGRZ_Agreement_UB_Athletics_2013-signed.pdf
Just this afternoon, Holy Cross announced an expanded schedule
of home games for a Worchester-based indy channel owned by
Charter Cable:
HTML http://www.goholycross.com/sports/m-footbl/2013-14/releases/201405190wnxvq#.U3pMG67A9vY.twitter
HTML http://www.goholycross.com/sports/m-footbl/2013-14/releases/201405190wnxvq#.U3pMG67A9vY.twitter
#Post#: 10886--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation,
FBS Football, etc
DIR By: Seawolf97
Date: May 19, 2014, 8:11 pm
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I like this input we are seeing from some of our MAC neighbors
and of course UB . Interesting information as we move forward.
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