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Re: 2012-2020: Future of Stony Brook Football
DIR By: jaghatai
Date: February 6, 2012, 2:34 pm
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For starters, to move up to FBS, we'd need to average 15k/game.
Before even considering the move, we need to expand our
facilities and boost the fan base. Obviously being in the Top
25 is a great start to that.
While we work on that requirement, we are going to watching VERY
closely how Liberty and UMass fare. If they move up and then
flounder (both by results and financially), the push to stay the
big fish in the small pond will be major.
I think inevitably we are going to move up, but I don't really
expect it happening in the near future. Now bumping to the CAA
or A-10 is a very strong possibility as a "transitional step".
Would not be shocked if that happened sooner rather than later.
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Re: 2012-2020: Future of Stony Brook Football
DIR By: sbufan
Date: February 6, 2012, 2:47 pm
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--- Quote from: ecasadoSBU link ---
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> I wouldn't say 10. The infrastructure requirements are huge.
We need a large stadium and a lot of community support to have a
BCS team in the island. something that can hold us back for
10-20 years. But I do see the FBS as the logical next step in
the next decade. This can be accelerated by on-the-field success
or delayed so its going to be interesting to see what happens in
the next few years.
>
> We can see whats going on in other areas of the campus right
now, improvements everywhere. its amazes me to see that (hotel,
Rec center, more dorms on the way, a renovated arena, a
renovated Union or an entirely new one coming up soon, and of
course more research investment).
>
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If Stony Brook moves FBS, I don't think they'll be playing on
campus. They'll have to find a venue that would host their
games. Something like whatever that plan was for the new Nassau
Coliseum (the lighthouse?). I don't have the answer though. In
my mind this is the biggest obstacle.
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Re: 2012-2020: Future of Stony Brook Football
DIR By: ry1nik
Date: February 6, 2012, 3:07 pm
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Sorry, in my previous post I meant "FBS" (not BCS...a whole
other level). But to continue the discussion, I wouldn't want to
attend a game off campus. When I return for Homecoming, I WANT
to visit the campus while attending the game. I don't want
another venue; it's a business proposition at that point, not a
Homecoming. And if by FBS it means MAC, that's not a bargain
either. Playing the Akrons, Western Michigans, and Toledos of
the country is no more attractive (maybe less!) than playing New
Hampshire, Maine, William and Mary, and Richmond.
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Re: 2012-2020: Future of Stony Brook Football
DIR By: seawolf80
Date: February 6, 2012, 3:28 pm
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I agree with the position that games must be held on campus.
Homecoming or not, this is the venue
for a school function of this type. Alums do want to come back
to campus. And having games at the
school allows exposure to visitors who may not be familiar with
our institution.
Additionally, it is easier for the students to attend on campus
than it would be if the game were held
at an off campus site perhaps numerous miles away.
We are not ready to make the jump yet. If at all, it is quite a
way down the road.
Even with the uncertain conference landscape, an FCS affiliation
( like the CAA ) is the logical
next step for us.
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Re: 2012-2020: Future of Stony Brook Football
DIR By: sbufan
Date: February 6, 2012, 4:21 pm
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--- Quote from: ry1nik link ---
>
> Sorry, in my previous post I meant "FBS" (not BCS...a whole
other level). But to continue the discussion, I wouldn't want to
attend a game off campus. When I return for Homecoming, I WANT
to visit the campus while attending the game. I don't want
another venue; it's a business proposition at that point, not a
Homecoming. And if by FBS it means MAC, that's not a bargain
either. Playing the Akrons, Western Michigans, and Toledos of
the country is no more attractive (maybe less!) than playing New
Hampshire, Maine, William and Mary, and Richmond.
>
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It would absolutely be a business decision. I understand wanting
to play New Hampshire, Maine, William and Mary, and Richmond,
but those teams are stuck at FCS - they aren't getting calls
from FBS conferences either because they are located in a small
media market, have too small of an enrollment, their market
already has an FBS team, or some combination. Stony Brook is the
exact opposite of those schools - It's a large university within
the most sought after media market, a market that doesn't have
any any FBS football teams within it's footprint. I'd bet within
4-5 years of Stony Brook's first FBS win or FCS final four
they'll be playing FBS football. Stony Brook is too attractive
and college football is too big of a business for it not to
happen, regardless of how improbable it may look at the moment.
Schools like Stony Brook don't stay in the FCS.
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Re: 2012-2020: Future of Stony Brook Football
DIR By: jaghatai
Date: February 6, 2012, 5:28 pm
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I know that the "multiple stadium" idea has been floated around.
For example, UMass plays a few games at Foxboro, LSU plays a
few games in the Superdome, etc. We could do the same with the
Meadowlands.
Not ideal, but if the big push is to make us THE NY college
football team (kinda like how St Johns is the NYC college
basketball team), then that might work wonders.
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Re: 2012-2020: Future of Stony Brook Football
DIR By: ry1nik
Date: February 6, 2012, 7:12 pm
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Sorry Sbufan, I didn't make myself clear. I meant "business
decision" in a negative sense. I don't want to see games moved
off-campus in order to move to the FBS level. That is not what
the college experience is or should be about. I'd prefer to see
SBU stay FCS forever (even in the BS Conference) than move games
off-campus.
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Re: 2012-2020: Future of Stony Brook Football
DIR By: Seawolf97
Date: February 6, 2012, 9:10 pm
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While moving up to the FBS level is probably in our distant
future going to the CAA first is probably what is going to
happen. We would be a perfect fit with lax and strong baseball
and soccer programs. Basketball is improving in leaps and
bounds. VCU and George Mason are in the CAA and would destroy
us right now in hoops. Alot has to be done first with
infrastructure to expand our stadium, continue to build our fan
base and of course funding. CAA football would bring in top
caliber home games and still give us at least one BCS game a
season. I dont think we are built as a Univerrsity to be a
Penn St. or Uconn. Stranger things have happened in sports but
joining the CAA would be a giant step for us with little
downside. We are really on a fast track with new facilities,
top quality student athlets coming in and our coaching staffs.
We see that with winning programs and AEChampionships and NCAA
appearances. We will get there I'm sure but just not yet. Baby
steps first.
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Re: 2012-2020: Future of Stony Brook Football
DIR By: sbufan
Date: February 6, 2012, 9:48 pm
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--- Quote from: ry1nik link ---
>
> Sorry Sbufan, I didn't make myself clear. I meant "business
decision" in a negative sense. I don't want to see games moved
off-campus in order to move to the FBS level. That is not what
the college experience is or should be about. I'd prefer to see
SBU stay FCS forever (even in the BS Conference) than move games
off-campus.
>
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Yeah I got you, and I agree that it's unfortunate that college
athletics are big business now, but that's just the way it is.
Stony Brook is already guilty of treating its sports programs
businesslike with it's move to the Big South and full
scholarship football. We cut off a big time rivalry with Albany
and left a conference with logical opponents to join a southern
based conference so that we could offer full scholarships and
take the first step towards major college football. Breaking
those ties were business decisions.
Personally I just want to see Stony Brook field teams that
students and the community want to go to. It doesn't matter if
Stony Brook is playing their games on campus if the students
aren't even showing up. I want to see students at the games. If
Stony Brook has to play games off campus in order to bring in
competition students want to see, then I want them playing off
campus. Obviously on campus is preferable, but if on campus
means we have to keep scheduling St. Anselm's, then I'm open to
other options.
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Re: 2012-2020: Future of Stony Brook Football
DIR By: ecasadoSBU
Date: February 6, 2012, 11:26 pm
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I disagree with the assesment that the MAC East is not more
actractive than CAA. Any conference where you can get ESPN games
regularly is automatically more attractive. We would be playing
Massachusetts, Buffalo (natural rivalry), Temple, Akron which
are more popular than the Maine, New Hampshire of the CAA. Also
MAC football would be a conference which would be more of a
right fit in terms of competition. Its not a highly ranked FBS
conference meaning that a successful FCS team can probably make
a smooth transition into the conference, this is assuming that
Stony Brook will enjoy more success at the FCS in the upcoming
seasons.
As I said, the main thing that can hold us back is
Infrastructure improvements (expansions of facilities, roads).
Those things cost a lot of money and we all know how hard is to
get cash from the State of New York...
The future is bright, its going to be interesting to see Stony
Brook athletics in 7-15 years. I'll repeat, No one thought
football was going to be at this position back in 1995.
Transitioning from Division III to Division I FCS full
scholarship is arguably harder than going from FCS to FBS....
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