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Re: 2022 Season - 10/22 - Homecoming - Game 7 vs Maine - 3:30PM
- TV: FLO SPORTS
By: NJ Seawolf Date: October 19, 2022, 7:15 pm
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When the team was competitive Lavalle would get pretty damn
packed. We aren’t going to sellout but this program definitely
would be solid. There are too many forms of alternative sports
entertainment nowadays particularly in a pro sports heavy market
like NY. Nobody will want to watch winless Stony Brook. This
falls all on Heilbron frankly who I increasingly think is not
built for this role if he does not fix the football mess.
#Post#: 37151--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2022 Season - 10/22 - Homecoming - Game 7 vs Maine - 3:30PM
- TV: FLO SPORTS
By: Unchained Date: October 19, 2022, 8:05 pm
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[quote author=NJ Seawolf link=topic=959.msg37149#msg37149
date=1666224943]
When the team was competitive Lavalle would get pretty damn
packed. We aren’t going to sellout but this program definitely
would be solid. There are too many forms of alternative sports
entertainment nowadays particularly in a pro sports heavy market
like NY. Nobody will want to watch winless Stony Brook. This
falls all on Heilbron frankly who I increasingly think is not
built for this role if he does not fix the football mess.
[/quote]
I think your spot on about Helibron. At the end of the day he is
holding the torch for letting this team go into the gutter. This
ENTIRE program needs to be swept clean, from Heilbron down.
#Post#: 37156--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2022 Season - 10/22 - Homecoming - Game 7 vs Maine - 3:30PM
- TV: FLO SPORTS
By: Chairman of the Board Date: October 20, 2022, 8:48 am
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[quote author=sbu1991 link=topic=959.msg37146#msg37146
date=1666205457]
[quote author=Accelerator link=topic=959.msg37134#msg37134
date=1666118454]
I predict that Stony Brook students will continue to disappoint,
but that's a larger scope university problem than just the
athletic dept.
[/quote]
It's not just the students, the general alumni doesn't really
care about SB sports either. I know lots of SB grads (sports
fans) in their 40s and 50s living on LI and they think I'm crazy
whenever I mention SB sports...they could(n't) care less.
Same with Suffolk in general. There's no sense of interest with
SB...and I don't so much blame the school so much, that's just
Suffolk County for you.
[/quote]
i agree, BUT, arent the alums disaffected because of their time
at SB? didnt have fun, didnt stay on campus, didnt go to games,
etc. why come back now if you didnt stay there as a student?
#Post#: 37159--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2022 Season - 10/22 - Homecoming - Game 7 vs Maine - 3:30PM
- TV: FLO SPORTS
By: Redwyn Date: October 20, 2022, 10:05 am
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[quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=959.msg37156#msg37156 date=1666273702]
[quote author=sbu1991 link=topic=959.msg37146#msg37146
date=1666205457]
[quote author=Accelerator link=topic=959.msg37134#msg37134
date=1666118454]
I predict that Stony Brook students will continue to disappoint,
but that's a larger scope university problem than just the
athletic dept.
[/quote]
It's not just the students, the general alumni doesn't really
care about SB sports either. I know lots of SB grads (sports
fans) in their 40s and 50s living on LI and they think I'm crazy
whenever I mention SB sports...they could(n't) care less.
Same with Suffolk in general. There's no sense of interest with
SB...and I don't so much blame the school so much, that's just
Suffolk County for you.
[/quote]
i agree, BUT, arent the alums disaffected because of their time
at SB? didnt have fun, didnt stay on campus, didnt go to games,
etc. why come back now if you didnt stay there as a student?
[/quote]
I disagree that it was because they didn't have fun. I come
across SBU alumni all the time who had a ton of fun. It's just
that they had it without an athletics experience. So asking them
to generate one as alumni, particularly in a metro area with so
many pro sport teams, is a hard ask. It is a particularly hard
ask when an SBU education for many was a transactional
arrangement, not a cultural phenomenon like it is at other
schools. That latter point can change, but it takes time.
We are a 20 year old D1 program. That's it. There is barely a
generation of students who came through here who had a D1
product. There's even less than that who had a decent D1 product
on the field. Building student and alumni support is a
generational process that requires winning but won't happen just
with winning alone.
It requires an administrative emphasis on athletics, in both
recruitment and around student life activities. Big name D1
schools make festivals around their football and basketball
games, build traditions intentionally linked to THE GAME, make
it so that people who couldn't care less about football still
come out to enjoy the events around the stadium (and inevitably
get pushed by their friends to cheer for the team). That isn't
done at SBU because I would argue that while Stanley supported
athletics (notably basketball), Kenny was the last University
president to emphasize the program as the lynchpin to on-campus
student life. Jury is out on McInnis, but my contacts around her
office suggest that SBU has other more pressing needs that she
needs to handle before athletics comes into play.
I would argue that I liked athletics while a student because I
chose to like those sports. I wasn't indoctrinated into it like
they do at Duke or Penn State. It will take a while, but if you
fix that element the entire culture of the campus can change -
regardless of the student body we have (which in and of itself
can shift in response to that campus emphasis).
Community-wise, there are few places I've been around that are
more hostile to a college campus than the Three Villages are to
Stony Brook. There is no love there. There are a lot of reasons
for that. Some have to do with the ridiculous nature of
off-campus housing arrangements, some have to do with the
relatively mild positive impact the campus has on the local
economy (small business, not overall, although I'd argue that it
has also negatively impacted those same stakeholders) and some
cultural issues about the area that are generationally rooted
into it (think Ward Melville's initial intent for the school vs.
what actually got built).
So in all, you're moving a lot of mountains and 20 years simply
isn't long enough. To fix this there has to be a top-down
re-emphasis on athletics by the school (isn't just Heilbron, has
to be McInnis, the deans, the provost, and the entire faculty as
a whole), better community outreach (a few posters and one or
two train billboards aren't enough) and winning. And even that
will likely not catch on for a few years.
#Post#: 37162--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2022 Season - 10/22 - Homecoming - Game 7 vs Maine - 3:30PM
- TV: FLO SPORTS
By: Chairman of the Board Date: October 20, 2022, 11:16 am
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i agree with all of that- this is very helpful, thanks.
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Re: 2022 Season - 10/22 - Homecoming - Game 7 vs Maine - 3:30PM
- TV: FLO SPORTS
By: Redwyn Date: October 20, 2022, 3:49 pm
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HTML https://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/12/nyregion/stony-brook-worldclass-secret.html
The challenges have not changed in 18 years.
#Post#: 37170--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2022 Season - 10/22 - Homecoming - Game 7 vs Maine - 3:30PM
- TV: FLO SPORTS
By: Chairman of the Board Date: October 20, 2022, 5:21 pm
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thanks... i recall this!
[quote]He commutes to school, and on weekends he and his
tablemates, two of whom also commute daily from Nassau County,
head home or to the city for fun. "It's really dead here on
weekends," Mr. Abbasi said. "There's just no one around."
Long Island students dreaming of the classic college experience
-- leaving home, ivy-covered walls, big-time athletics,
college-town or big-city culture -- will probably look beyond
Stony Brook, which has a reputation for offering a solid bang
for the buck but hasn't shaken its commuter-school image.
Fifty percent of its 13,858 undergraduates and more than 60
percent of its 7,827 graduate students are from Long Island, but
Linda Bergson, head of the guidance department at Ward Melville
High School in East Setauket, said her best students usually
skip Stony Brook and many others opt for the SUNY campuses in
Binghamton or Geneseo simply because they are away from home.
"They want that experience living in a dorm away from an area
that they've lived in all their lives," Ms. Bergson said.
Kitty Klein, the director of guidance at Manhasset High School,
said most of her students "look at going off to college as going
off of Long Island."
At Stony Brook, a scant 5 percent of alumni donate money to the
school. These donations are one measure used in college rankings
to assess a university's performance.
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#Post#: 37171--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2022 Season - 10/22 - Homecoming - Game 7 vs Maine - 3:30PM
- TV: FLO SPORTS
By: Accelerator Date: October 20, 2022, 5:25 pm
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It's absolutely pathetic that it's been 18 years and the
geniuses in charge haven't solved the problem. We can cycle
through presidents but none of them have contributed value to
this.
I don't know why Kenny retired - she seemed to be the only one
that actually knew how to run a school, from what you guys have
said, but then her departure had only negative impacts, it looks
like.
#Post#: 37177--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2022 Season - 10/22 - Homecoming - Game 7 vs Maine - 3:30PM
- TV: FLO SPORTS
By: ecasadoSBU Date: October 21, 2022, 8:28 am
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Looks like tomorrow it's going to be the perfect day for
football. Perhaps they'll reward the alumni with a homecoming
win...
See ya tomorow! Go Seawolves
#Post#: 37178--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2022 Season - 10/22 - Homecoming - Game 7 vs Maine - 3:30PM
- TV: FLO SPORTS
By: NoVA_Seawolf Date: October 21, 2022, 9:38 am
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We haven't looked competitive at all in any game this season...
I'd rather go 0-11 if it means getting coach P canned. Although
the players never want to be remembered as that winless team, so
it would be nice if they could get a W tomorrow I guess. This is
a 1-10/2-9 type team this year though.
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