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#Post#: 36131--------------------------------------------------
Re: CAA all sports???
By: Hammertime Date: April 5, 2022, 9:28 am
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[quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=916.msg36130#msg36130 date=1649167931]
i didnt read the fine print but are we talking US students of an
origin or actual foreign students?
regardless, it makes sense to me because SB draws heavily off of
the outer boroughs, which have higher proportions of minorities
and/or immigrants.
but again i think there's still enough of a student body to
support athletics. 10k students is more than many schools have
at all. why can't we do it?
[/quote]
Out of the 10k or so, + - how many students like sports, 5k,
6k,? And how many of those students work part-time after school.
50%? That leaves those numbers to what. 2500 kids who are free
to attend these games. That's not a lot and many of those
students are either vising family, friends, or studying, among
other things.
#Post#: 36132--------------------------------------------------
Re: CAA all sports???
By: Accelerator Date: April 5, 2022, 10:27 am
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To be quite frank, the "Asian invasion" at Stony Brook is the
big elephant in the room regarding campus life and athletic
culture that no one wants to discuss because of how sensitive
the topic is, but it is one of, if not the, biggest issues the
school has right now.
International Asian students pay out of state tuition, so they
help financially. However, we need to work on attracting US out
of state students bc they contribute more to the culture.
I was around 10 years ago: 41% white, 32% Asian, which checks
out with the eye test from when I was there. This year, 42%
Asian and 38% white. Asians are the majority on campus and
whites are a minority. That is insane. There's no way any FBS or
Power 5 school has an Asian majority and a white minority.
For whatever reason, starting in 2014, Stony Brook became less
appealing to whites and that has only continued to get worse. I
can see a trend: white students who like sports are not going to
want to attend a school with majority Asians who don't know
sports. Each year, less and less white kids come because they're
turned off by the demographics here, and this has the potential
to spiral and get even worse if Stony Brook doesn't nip it in
the bud soon. Asian students are good for academic rankings and
diversity numbers, but is it worth the hit to the school's
social and athletic reputation? This is why most schools have de
facto Asian quotas, where an Asian's SAT score needs to be 150
pts higher than a white's, given everything else equal, to earn
admittance.
African Americans are good for diversity, and they're way more
likely to be fans of college sports. But we don't go after them
(or they don't go after us), since their percentage has declined
lately.
NYC is a highly diverse area, yes, but it isn't 42% Asian and
38% white. No city has those numbers.
#Post#: 36133--------------------------------------------------
Re: CAA all sports???
By: Chairman of the Board Date: April 5, 2022, 10:37 am
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[quote author=Hammertime link=topic=916.msg36131#msg36131
date=1649168923]
[quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=916.msg36130#msg36130 date=1649167931]
i didnt read the fine print but are we talking US students of an
origin or actual foreign students?
regardless, it makes sense to me because SB draws heavily off of
the outer boroughs, which have higher proportions of minorities
and/or immigrants.
but again i think there's still enough of a student body to
support athletics. 10k students is more than many schools have
at all. why can't we do it?
[/quote]
Out of the 10k or so, + - how many students like sports, 5k,
6k,? And how many of those students work part-time after school.
50%? That leaves those numbers to what. 2500 kids who are free
to attend these games. That's not a lot and many of those
students are either vising family, friends, or studying, among
other things.
[/quote]
true, but isnt that the same math at... rutgers? or other
northeast universities?
#Post#: 36134--------------------------------------------------
Re: CAA all sports???
By: Hammertime Date: April 5, 2022, 10:59 am
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[quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=916.msg36133#msg36133 date=1649173046]
[quote author=Hammertime link=topic=916.msg36131#msg36131
date=1649168923]
[quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=916.msg36130#msg36130 date=1649167931]
i didnt read the fine print but are we talking US students of an
origin or actual foreign students?
regardless, it makes sense to me because SB draws heavily off of
the outer boroughs, which have higher proportions of minorities
and/or immigrants.
but again i think there's still enough of a student body to
support athletics. 10k students is more than many schools have
at all. why can't we do it?
[/quote]
Out of the 10k or so, + - how many students like sports, 5k,
6k,? And how many of those students work part-time after school.
50%? That leaves those numbers to what. 2500 kids who are free
to attend these games. That's not a lot and many of those
students are either vising family, friends, or studying, among
other things.
[/quote]
true, but isnt that the same math at... rutgers? or other
northeast universities?
[/quote]
I suppose so.
#Post#: 36135--------------------------------------------------
Re: CAA all sports???
By: Hammertime Date: April 5, 2022, 11:02 am
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[quote author=Hammertime link=topic=916.msg36134#msg36134
date=1649174349]
[quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=916.msg36133#msg36133 date=1649173046]
[quote author=Hammertime link=topic=916.msg36131#msg36131
date=1649168923]
[quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=916.msg36130#msg36130 date=1649167931]
i didnt read the fine print but are we talking US students of an
origin or actual foreign students?
regardless, it makes sense to me because SB draws heavily off of
the outer boroughs, which have higher proportions of minorities
and/or immigrants.
but again i think there's still enough of a student body to
support athletics. 10k students is more than many schools have
at all. why can't we do it?
[/quote]
Out of the 10k or so, + - how many students like sports, 5k,
6k,? And how many of those students work part-time after school.
50%? That leaves those numbers to what. 2500 kids who are free
to attend these games. That's not a lot and many of those
students are either vising family, friends, or studying, among
other things.
[/quote]
true, but isnt that the same math at... rutgers? or other
northeast universities?
[/quote]
I suppose so.
[/quote]
One other thing people are not realizing. Having a winning
tradition helps attendance, including students. If SBU was in
the American conference lets say and every year they are is at
the top of their confrence in Football, Lax, basketball
,baseball. Wouldnt you think students would like to see their
team on TV
#Post#: 36136--------------------------------------------------
Re: CAA all sports???
By: Hammertime Date: April 5, 2022, 11:11 am
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[quote author=Accelerator link=topic=916.msg36132#msg36132
date=1649172460]
To be quite frank, the "Asian invasion" at Stony Brook is the
big elephant in the room regarding campus life and athletic
culture that no one wants to discuss because of how sensitive
the topic is, but it is one of, if not the, biggest issues the
school has right now.
International Asian students pay out of state tuition, so they
help financially. However, we need to work on attracting US out
of state students bc they contribute more to the culture.
I was around 10 years ago: 41% white, 32% Asian, which checks
out with the eye test from when I was there. This year, 42%
Asian and 38% white. Asians are the majority on campus and
whites are a minority. That is insane. There's no way any FBS or
Power 5 school has an Asian majority and a white minority.
For whatever reason, starting in 2014, Stony Brook became less
appealing to whites and that has only continued to get worse. I
can see a trend: white students who like sports are not going to
want to attend a school with majority Asians who don't know
sports. Each year, less and less white kids come because they're
turned off by the demographics here, and this has the potential
to spiral and get even worse if Stony Brook doesn't nip it in
the bud soon. Asian students are good for academic rankings and
diversity numbers, but is it worth the hit to the school's
social and athletic reputation? This is why most schools have de
facto Asian quotas, where an Asian's SAT score needs to be 150
pts higher than a white's, given everything else equal, to earn
admittance.
African Americans are good for diversity, and they're way more
likely to be fans of college sports. But we don't go after them
(or they don't go after us), since their percentage has declined
lately.
NYC is a highly diverse area, yes, but it isn't 42% Asian and
38% white. No city has those numbers.
[/quote]
Exactly Accelerator. I could not have said it any better.
There's an SBU issue with student attendance because of the high
Asian population. I tried telling that to Ethan on Twitter, but
he didnt respond back
#Post#: 36138--------------------------------------------------
Re: CAA all sports???
By: Redwyn Date: April 5, 2022, 5:27 pm
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[quote author=Hammertime link=topic=916.msg36136#msg36136
date=1649175078]
[quote author=Accelerator link=topic=916.msg36132#msg36132
date=1649172460]
To be quite frank, the "Asian invasion" at Stony Brook is the
big elephant in the room regarding campus life and athletic
culture that no one wants to discuss because of how sensitive
the topic is, but it is one of, if not the, biggest issues the
school has right now.
International Asian students pay out of state tuition, so they
help financially. However, we need to work on attracting US out
of state students bc they contribute more to the culture.
I was around 10 years ago: 41% white, 32% Asian, which checks
out with the eye test from when I was there. This year, 42%
Asian and 38% white. Asians are the majority on campus and
whites are a minority. That is insane. There's no way any FBS or
Power 5 school has an Asian majority and a white minority.
For whatever reason, starting in 2014, Stony Brook became less
appealing to whites and that has only continued to get worse. I
can see a trend: white students who like sports are not going to
want to attend a school with majority Asians who don't know
sports. Each year, less and less white kids come because they're
turned off by the demographics here, and this has the potential
to spiral and get even worse if Stony Brook doesn't nip it in
the bud soon. Asian students are good for academic rankings and
diversity numbers, but is it worth the hit to the school's
social and athletic reputation? This is why most schools have de
facto Asian quotas, where an Asian's SAT score needs to be 150
pts higher than a white's, given everything else equal, to earn
admittance.
African Americans are good for diversity, and they're way more
likely to be fans of college sports. But we don't go after them
(or they don't go after us), since their percentage has declined
lately.
NYC is a highly diverse area, yes, but it isn't 42% Asian and
38% white. No city has those numbers.
[/quote]
Exactly Accelerator. I could not have said it any better.
There's an SBU issue with student attendance because of the high
Asian population. I tried telling that to Ethan on Twitter, but
he didnt respond back
[/quote]
1. Isn't Ethan Asian? ;-). I'm not discounting your arguments.
I graduated in 2008 and the numbers were clear. I just wish we
had hard data on the perceptions of non-white students regarding
NCAA athletics. I'm not sure a good quality study on this has
been done. Would be curious what we'd find at SB. The study
Ethan did included 157 students, with per his article a solid
number refusing to participate because they flat out had no idea
about SBU athletics. My guess is SBU also truly has no idea
about the impact of its demographics on turnout.
2. It's NOT just athletics. Games are on weekends. The school
MUST incentivize staying on weekends in ways that are convincing
to the maximum number of students. Ways to do that might include
student led fairs and celebrations, concerts, shows, community
engagement, intramural competitions, or some sort of incentive
linked to their tuition and classes. Make it NOT about the
athletics. Make it about actually WANTING TO STAY. You don't
need to be white, black, asian, etc.. to have a reason to stay
if you're given one. Plenty won't. Commitments to family
work/others are factors. However, it will maximize what you can
do with what you have.
3. True turnout numbers at SB are community driven. We need to
remember that sports have NEVER been draws at SBU, to anyone. We
had peak years about 10 years ago in basketball, and maybe in
football those couple of years when they had good years with the
post-Hofstra shutdown transfers. That was from sustained
winning. We don't win in football, we have been marginal in a
bad league in basketball (marginal = not NCAA for AEC
standards), and have no community name recognition. FYI, we have
had a sustained run of ranking in the top 1-3 in MBB attendance.
Maybe we really should be blaming our league a bit more.
4. We like to knock Heilbron for the outreach problem, but the
true problems I think we have are coaching staffs who don't know
or aren't equipped to engage the community. We may have people
who go home on weekends, but we also have 1 mil people who live
in Suffolk County and another 1.5 or so in Nassau. Plenty of
alumni local. The only time SBU engages me as an alumnus of both
undergrad and grad school is to ask me for money (while I am
still paying student loans). Not a single other time. Ever. My
name is on the wall at SBU in multiple places, and not even an
e-mail to engage. I'm still willing to buy my tickets, but I
doubt many others feel that level of loyalty. Maybe we should be
calling out the alumni association here a bit - since they've
known this was a problem since I was an undergrad almost 15
(gulp!) years ago.
#Post#: 36139--------------------------------------------------
Re: CAA all sports???
By: Chairman of the Board Date: April 5, 2022, 6:29 pm
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i agree with a lot of that redwyn.
to keep kids on campus- why dont we simply start by getting
students who cant go home on weekends.
if SB is so competitive (it is, because it's dirt cheap and a
great value), then simply put a question on the application
about school spirit. if all other things are equal, admit the
student with the right answer. costs nothing and we lose
nothing, stand to gain a lot.
if the college application process is really competitive out
there, then we should leverage that a little and be choosy. its
not like we are short of applications.
#Post#: 36144--------------------------------------------------
Re: CAA all sports???
By: NoVA_Seawolf Date: April 5, 2022, 11:30 pm
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[quote author=Accelerator link=topic=916.msg36132#msg36132
date=1649172460]
To be quite frank, the "Asian invasion" at Stony Brook is the
big elephant in the room regarding campus life and athletic
culture that no one wants to discuss because of how sensitive
the topic is, but it is one of, if not the, biggest issues the
school has right now.
International Asian students pay out of state tuition, so they
help financially. However, we need to work on attracting US out
of state students bc they contribute more to the culture.
I was around 10 years ago: 41% white, 32% Asian, which checks
out with the eye test from when I was there. This year, 42%
Asian and 38% white. Asians are the majority on campus and
whites are a minority. That is insane. There's no way any FBS or
Power 5 school has an Asian majority and a white minority.
For whatever reason, starting in 2014, Stony Brook became less
appealing to whites and that has only continued to get worse. I
can see a trend: white students who like sports are not going to
want to attend a school with majority Asians who don't know
sports. Each year, less and less white kids come because they're
turned off by the demographics here, and this has the potential
to spiral and get even worse if Stony Brook doesn't nip it in
the bud soon. Asian students are good for academic rankings and
diversity numbers, but is it worth the hit to the school's
social and athletic reputation? This is why most schools have de
facto Asian quotas, where an Asian's SAT score needs to be 150
pts higher than a white's, given everything else equal, to earn
admittance.
African Americans are good for diversity, and they're way more
likely to be fans of college sports. But we don't go after them
(or they don't go after us), since their percentage has declined
lately.
NYC is a highly diverse area, yes, but it isn't 42% Asian and
38% white. No city has those numbers.
[/quote]
This is a touchy subject, but you've given me a lot to think
about with this.
#Post#: 36146--------------------------------------------------
Re: CAA all sports???
By: Hammertime Date: April 6, 2022, 4:38 am
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[quote author=VA_Seawolf link=topic=916.msg36144#msg36144
date=1649219456]
[quote author=Accelerator link=topic=916.msg36132#msg36132
date=1649172460]
To be quite frank, the "Asian invasion" at Stony Brook is the
big elephant in the room regarding campus life and athletic
culture that no one wants to discuss because of how sensitive
the topic is, but it is one of, if not the, biggest issues the
school has right now.
International Asian students pay out of state tuition, so they
help financially. However, we need to work on attracting US out
of state students bc they contribute more to the culture.
I was around 10 years ago: 41% white, 32% Asian, which checks
out with the eye test from when I was there. This year, 42%
Asian and 38% white. Asians are the majority on campus and
whites are a minority. That is insane. There's no way any FBS or
Power 5 school has an Asian majority and a white minority.
For whatever reason, starting in 2014, Stony Brook became less
appealing to whites and that has only continued to get worse. I
can see a trend: white students who like sports are not going to
want to attend a school with majority Asians who don't know
sports. Each year, less and less white kids come because they're
turned off by the demographics here, and this has the potential
to spiral and get even worse if Stony Brook doesn't nip it in
the bud soon. Asian students are good for academic rankings and
diversity numbers, but is it worth the hit to the school's
social and athletic reputation? This is why most schools have de
facto Asian quotas, where an Asian's SAT score needs to be 150
pts higher than a white's, given everything else equal, to earn
admittance.
African Americans are good for diversity, and they're way more
likely to be fans of college sports. But we don't go after them
(or they don't go after us), since their percentage has declined
lately.
NYC is a highly diverse area, yes, but it isn't 42% Asian and
38% white. No city has those numbers.
[/quote]
This is a touchy subject, but you've given me a lot to think
about with this.
[/quote]
It shouldn't be a touchy subject, but certain political parties
have a way of turning around a meaningful conversation into
something that is racist. For example. Why all of a sudden they
are talking about Asians being targeted and attacked by white
people, when in fact the majority of assaults are committed by
blacks in major metropolitan cities. This is a fact and
statistics are not something I am making up, and this has
nothing to do with people targeting Asians. It has everything to
do with crime in major cities, but certain political groups like
to turn things around to fit their agendas.
People shouldn't be afraid and worried about retaliation when
they talk about a subject that involves race and culture, but
SBU will never, ever, admit that the reason why the student fan
base is shrinking is because of the heavy foreign students based
at Stony Brook University, and this is only going to get worse,
not better. Goes to show you. College really is all about money
for the state, and university, and not about giving the student
the proper education to be successful in the real world.
I suppose we need to address the reason why Asians are attracted
to SBU in the first place. I know for a fact some of it has
everything to do with the mandatory WOKE classes that my son is
forced to take for his Major, which is in Business
administration. And some of these classes have nothing to do
with business but are more about brainwashing students to
believe in something that he or she doesnt want to hear or talk
about. For example.: "Critical race theory" I mean really??
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