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Re: Games 17/18: vs. UMBC 2/7 and 8
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: February 8, 2021, 2:12 pm
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in another attempt to diagnose this team- normally most would
say that's good for a team to reinvent themselves and be
dynamic. keep opponents guessing.
i think- that's not the case here.
some days, gueye is a penetrator, sometimes disappears, today
he's a perimeter shooter.
sayles had his best day with baby hooks and boards; he's taken
and missed top of the key jumpers for a few weeks now and few
rebounds.
mack is a reserve point guard, today he is a starting shooting
guard who penetrates.
policelli weaves in between shooting and penetrating.
my point is maybe we should just try sticking with what works,
especially given nearly the entire team is new. play to our
talents, no?
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Re: Games 17/18: vs. UMBC 2/7 and 8
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: February 8, 2021, 2:18 pm
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--- Quote from: SaltySeawolf link ---
>
> You can blame Geno all you want. The bottom line is this team
has zero talent. You cannot win at this level with juco's and
transfers. Everybody left, and there was no choice but to
rebuild this way. Add a pandemic to the mix and this was never
going to be a successful year. Just have to retool, get a big
freshman class and start from the ground floor. I don't think
we can evaluate Geno until there is some talent who can actually
play a bit.
>
--- End Quote ---
I guess my point to all of this is. I have reasons to believe
Geno does not have what it takes to recruit talent Like Pikiel
and Boels had.
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Re: Games 17/18: vs. UMBC 2/7 and 8
DIR By: OldSeawolf
Date: February 8, 2021, 2:40 pm
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--- Quote from: Hammertime link ---
>
> [quote author=SaltySeawolf link=topic=875.msg32122#msg32122
date=1612814306]
> You can blame Geno all you want. The bottom line is this team
has zero talent. You cannot win at this level with juco's and
transfers. Everybody left, and there was no choice but to
rebuild this way. Add a pandemic to the mix and this was never
going to be a successful year. Just have to retool, get a big
freshman class and start from the ground floor. I don't think
we can evaluate Geno until there is some talent who can actually
play a bit.
>
--- End Quote ---
I guess my point to all of this is. I have reasons to believe
Geno does not have what it takes to recruit talent Like Pikiel
and Boels had.
[/quote]
This is not a defense of Geno's coaching, but anyone who is
recruited and has talent will be gone in a year, given the
current and expected liberal transfer rules. Any diamonds in
the rough that we can land, will be going A10 or higher, if they
produce in the AE. More to the point, we need to coach to the
talent of the kids we have. If we have less talent, we need to
work hard to create a basketball environment that will bring out
the most in them.
#Post#: 32128--------------------------------------------------
Re: Games 17/18: vs. UMBC 2/7 and 8
DIR By: guest369
Date: February 8, 2021, 2:53 pm
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Monday games are not the most optimal and I did not get a chance
to watch.
Why is McKenzie taking 7 shots. Frankie didn't play again, ugh,
but seems to have transferred his outside shooting powers to Mo.
We've already lost as many conference games this year as we have
last year. Top 2 seed seems to be out of the cards.
Agree that Geno isn't the main problem. He can't transform
non-shooters into shooters magically. His play designing has
clearly gotten stale though and he needs to come up with more
creative ways to get the ball inside more.
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Re: Games 17/18: vs. UMBC 2/7 and 8
DIR By: Knicksbu99
Date: February 8, 2021, 3:57 pm
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I think this team has enough talent to compete in the league.
Just need to actually play to its strengths on offense and try
to play good for a total 40 minute game and it didnt help not
having policelli out there.
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Re: Games 17/18: vs. UMBC 2/7 and 8
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: February 8, 2021, 6:38 pm
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--- Quote from: OldSeawolf link ---
>
> [quote author=Hammertime link=topic=875.msg32126#msg32126
date=1612815491]
> [quote author=SaltySeawolf link=topic=875.msg32122#msg32122
date=1612814306]
> You can blame Geno all you want. The bottom line is this team
has zero talent. You cannot win at this level with juco's and
transfers. Everybody left, and there was no choice but to
rebuild this way. Add a pandemic to the mix and this was never
going to be a successful year. Just have to retool, get a big
freshman class and start from the ground floor. I don't think
we can evaluate Geno until there is some talent who can actually
play a bit.
>
--- End Quote ---
I guess my point to all of this is. I have reasons to believe
Geno does not have what it takes to recruit talent Like Pikiel
and Boels had.
[/quote]
This is not a defense of Geno's coaching, but anyone who is
recruited and has talent will be gone in a year, given the
current and expected liberal transfer rules. Any diamonds in
the rough that we can land, will be going A10 or higher, if they
produce in the AE. More to the point, we need to coach to the
talent of the kids we have. If we have less talent, we need to
work hard to create a basketball environment that will bring out
the most in them.
[/quote]
I could see maybe one or two transfers leaving every year, but
6? I'm sorry man. That is an internal problem. I am not going to
fall for the notion that half the team is going to leave SB year
in and year out because of the new transfer rule. Nope, not
happening.
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Re: Games 17/18: vs. UMBC 2/7 and 8
DIR By: Checkmate
Date: February 8, 2021, 8:30 pm
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--- Quote from: OldSeawolf link ---
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> [quote author=Checkmate link=topic=875.msg32123#msg32123
date=1612814394]
> Another miserable day. Truthfully, I forgot the game was even
on – you just don't think about Monday day games being a thing.
>
> 8 for 25 from three, 8 for 25 from two. That's all you need to
know about where we are offensively. We failed to break 50 in
conference for the first time since a 57-49 loss at UMBC in
2019. Before that you have to go back to a six-game stretch
where we finished in the 40s three times in 2015.
>
> Another nice effort from Gueye. With his newfound touch from
deep, he is now our second-best three-point shooter behind
Policelli. Four three attempts from Mac today. I didn't see the
game so I don't know the context, but I just can't imagine a
system that would require that from him when it's obviously not
his forte.
>
> Vermont next week. Albany after that.
>
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We played awful again. Mac started and missed a bunch of 3's.
We missed 3 bunnies in a row, early in the 1st half, and that
pretty much sealed our fate. We probably missed 6 buckets right
under the rim today, and everything else was a long range miss.
Sayles and Greene are totally lost. Mo the only one playing,
but he doesn't have enough of a supporting cast, to be The Man.
UMBC has much more talent, and is coached a heck of a lot
better. Sigh.
One nugget from Johnny Wincott today that I was not aware
of........all seniors in D1 winter sports automatically get
another year of eligibility, so there's a chance that Mo,
Sayles, and Habwe may still be in uniform next season.
[/quote]
In the case of Gueye, I really wonder which uniform we’re
talking about. He can play a significant role at the same places
that Yeboah, Olaniyi, Garcia and Foreman went off to.
I realize that Geno has a difficult hand to work with here.
Whether he’s responsible for all the departures, I don’t know.
It’s suspicious looking but I’m not in the huddle over there. No
matter who’s on the roster though, I wish I’d see more of a
system here. Shots don’t go down as much – fine. But I just feel
like we’re putting up bad shots every time down the floor.
That’s on the system. I go back to the Henry shots I mentioned
before – how many times do we get wide-open looks like that
because of a great pass or movement in general? It NEVER
happens. Gotta be better than that. We’re at five straight games
shooting under 40 percent, and I don’t like our chances up in
Burlington.
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#Post#: 32134--------------------------------------------------
Re: Games 17/18: vs. UMBC 2/7 and 8
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: February 8, 2021, 9:02 pm
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are we over-complicating this?
we agree that we aren't a great shooting team.
answer- take higher % shots.
instead, we've forced lower % shots in traffic without moving
the ball and our 2 is injured.
#Post#: 32135--------------------------------------------------
Re: Games 17/18: vs. UMBC 2/7 and 8
DIR By: guest410
Date: February 8, 2021, 9:20 pm
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Long story short, SBU can't afford to fire Geno, not with three
years left on the deal (outlined in the Stadium article below).
For reference, Boals contract info is underneath.
HTML https://watchstadium.com/stony-brook-coach-geno-ford-signs-five-year-contract-salary-buyout-incentives-10-08-2019/#:~:text=Stony%20Brook%20Coach%20Geno%20Ford%20signed%20a%20five%2Dyear%20contract,for%20Ohio%20in%20the%20offseason.
HTML https://watchstadium.com/jeff-boals-signs-five-year-contract-with-ohio-salary-buyout-incentives-09-17-2019/#:~:text=Former%20Stony%20Brook%20Coach%20Jeff,Stony%20Brook%20a%20%2450%2C000%20buyout.
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Re: Games 17/18: vs. UMBC 2/7 and 8
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: February 9, 2021, 4:01 am
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--- Quote from: AirTurn link ---
>
> Long story short, SBU can't afford to fire Geno, not with
three years left on the deal (outlined in the Stadium article
below). For reference, Boals contract info is underneath.
>
>
>
HTML https://watchstadium.com/stony-brook-coach-geno-ford-signs-five-year-contract-salary-buyout-incentives-10-08-2019/#:~:text=Stony%20Brook%20Coach%20Geno%20Ford%20signed%20a%20five%2Dyear%20contract,for%20Ohio%20in%20the%20offseason.
>
>
HTML https://watchstadium.com/jeff-boals-signs-five-year-contract-with-ohio-salary-buyout-incentives-09-17-2019/#:~:text=Former%20Stony%20Brook%20Coach%20Jeff,Stony%20Brook%20a%20%2450%2C000%20buyout.
>
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Well, there you go!!! Why in the world would Stony Brook lock in
a 5-year contract to an assistant coach who doesn't have a
proven winning track record. I could see 2 or 3-year contract
max, out of the gate then reevaluate after year 2. But 5????
This program deserves what it gets.
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