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#Post#: 32425--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stony Brook in the America East
DIR By: guest419
Date: March 1, 2021, 10:15 am
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--- Quote from: Chairman of the Board link ---
>
> i agree that we should be building natural and local
rivalries- and right now, i think our "rivals" in certain
sports, meaning who we are competitive with on the field,
classroom, and recruiting- are simply not impressive. i think
of marist, SHU, hof, bingo, SJ, wagner, albANy, QU, MC.
>
> again, for most sports, not all. and just my opinion, which
is largely anecdotal.
>
> i don't think we compete for recruits with nova, BU, UConn,
army. in fact, i don't think we compete with UMBC, UMass, or
ruTgers or cuse, though we should.
>
> simply put, kids will leave LI to go to these places. they
largely won't go to LI though. further, i barely see upstaters
head to LI. so our pool is geographically small, but densely
populated. all adding to the insularity problem and weekend
problem that plagues the entire U.
>
--- End Quote ---
BB coach cant recruit. hes been here three years and all he has
done is lose the team last year and bring in transfers. Its a
shame. we wont buy season tickets again for a long time. there
is no direction. SH and the HC should be gone. Destoryed the
program.
#Post#: 32428--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stony Brook in the America East
DIR By: Checkmate
Date: March 1, 2021, 11:06 am
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I liked this clip from the Tulsa coach.
HTML https://twitter.com/GottliebShow/status/1366373418891812865?s=20
I really can't comment on culture without it being complete
conjecture. The kids could worship Ford or they could loathe
him. Same with the assistants. And the players' personalities'
and cohesiveness off the court. I just don't know. All I can do
is read between the lines and comment on is what I see on the
court. I thought the guys played hard all year, showed some
positives individually, and many can be good pieces on winning
teams, here or elsewhere. It's the other stuff that's concerning
– guys leaving, relying on transfers, and poor coaching (IMO).
#Post#: 32431--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stony Brook in the America East
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: March 1, 2021, 12:03 pm
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--- Quote from: BarryGotAGrip link ---
>
> [quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=850.msg32417#msg32417 date=1614609123]
> i agree that we should be building natural and local
rivalries- and right now, i think our "rivals" in certain
sports, meaning who we are competitive with on the field,
classroom, and recruiting- are simply not impressive. i think
of marist, SHU, hof, bingo, SJ, wagner, albANy, QU, MC.
>
> again, for most sports, not all. and just my opinion, which
is largely anecdotal.
>
> i don't think we compete for recruits with nova, BU, UConn,
army. in fact, i don't think we compete with UMBC, UMass, or
ruTgers or cuse, though we should.
>
> simply put, kids will leave LI to go to these places. they
largely won't go to LI though. further, i barely see upstaters
head to LI. so our pool is geographically small, but densely
populated. all adding to the insularity problem and weekend
problem that plagues the entire U.
>
--- End Quote ---
BB coach cant recruit. hes been here three years and all he has
done is lose the team last year and bring in transfers. Its a
shame. we wont buy season tickets again for a long time. there
is no direction. SH and the HC should be gone. Destoryed the
program.
[/quote]
Barry, I've been pounding my table for a while about this topic
with Ford for BB and Priore for football. Some people agree,
some dont. The proof is in the pudding though. Shawn Heilbron
needs to go. He should be the very first one to be let go. Bring
in a new AD with balls, unlike SH, and give that AD full
authority to fire or hire at will. No voting. No drag-out board
meetings and discussion. Give full authority to bring in who he
wants..
#Post#: 32436--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stony Brook in the America East
DIR By: guest419
Date: March 1, 2021, 4:29 pm
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--- Quote from: VA_Seawolf link ---
>
> I agree that we need to move, and the best move would actually
be an FBS conference, but the odds of that happening seem even
lower than they were 5-6 years ago when we had just joined the
CAA. Coach P hasn't advanced our program much since joining the
CAA.
>
> The nicest thing about the A10 is that we could upgrade the
rest of our athletics while letting football grow at it's own
pace. The A10 would also be a better landing spot for Olympic
sports than most potential FBS landing spots. It's fairly
regional and is well regarded in basketball. I'd love an A10
invite. I'd be at every GW and George Mason game, and most VCU
games probably. ;D
>
--- End Quote ---
FBS? Their are no fans at games now. SH has to go. Both
conferences playing him.
#Post#: 32437--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stony Brook in the America East
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: March 1, 2021, 6:37 pm
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--- Quote from: Hammertime link ---
>
> [quote author=BarryGotAGrip link=topic=850.msg32425#msg32425
date=1614615314]
> [quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=850.msg32417#msg32417 date=1614609123]
> i agree that we should be building natural and local
rivalries- and right now, i think our "rivals" in certain
sports, meaning who we are competitive with on the field,
classroom, and recruiting- are simply not impressive. i think
of marist, SHU, hof, bingo, SJ, wagner, albANy, QU, MC.
>
> again, for most sports, not all. and just my opinion, which
is largely anecdotal.
>
> i don't think we compete for recruits with nova, BU, UConn,
army. in fact, i don't think we compete with UMBC, UMass, or
ruTgers or cuse, though we should.
>
> simply put, kids will leave LI to go to these places. they
largely won't go to LI though. further, i barely see upstaters
head to LI. so our pool is geographically small, but densely
populated. all adding to the insularity problem and weekend
problem that plagues the entire U.
>
--- End Quote ---
BB coach cant recruit. hes been here three years and all he has
done is lose the team last year and bring in transfers. Its a
shame. we wont buy season tickets again for a long time. there
is no direction. SH and the HC should be gone. Destoryed the
program.
[/quote]
Barry, I've been pounding my table for a while about this topic
with Ford for BB and Priore for football. Some people agree,
some dont. The proof is in the pudding though. Shawn Heilbron
needs to go. He should be the very first one to be let go. Bring
in a new AD with balls, unlike SH, and give that AD full
authority to fire or hire at will. No voting. No drag-out board
meetings and discussion. Give full authority to bring in who he
wants..
[/quote]
I like Shawn, I really do. I'd give him a little more time, but
he's got to prove he deserves it first by firing both Ford and
Coach P. We're a goddamn joke even in basketball now. Two years
ago this team could have won the AE and now we're a joke. Don't
even get me started on football. NO way we should be behind UML
and New Hampshire in basketball, and fighting for positioning
with friggin NJIT in conference. This is total BS.
#Post#: 32438--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stony Brook in the America East
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: March 1, 2021, 7:06 pm
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--- Quote from: VA_Seawolf link ---
>
> [quote author=Hammertime link=topic=850.msg32431#msg32431
date=1614621805]
> [quote author=BarryGotAGrip link=topic=850.msg32425#msg32425
date=1614615314]
> [quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=850.msg32417#msg32417 date=1614609123]
> i agree that we should be building natural and local
rivalries- and right now, i think our "rivals" in certain
sports, meaning who we are competitive with on the field,
classroom, and recruiting- are simply not impressive. i think
of marist, SHU, hof, bingo, SJ, wagner, albANy, QU, MC.
>
> again, for most sports, not all. and just my opinion, which
is largely anecdotal.
>
> i don't think we compete for recruits with nova, BU, UConn,
army. in fact, i don't think we compete with UMBC, UMass, or
ruTgers or cuse, though we should.
>
> simply put, kids will leave LI to go to these places. they
largely won't go to LI though. further, i barely see upstaters
head to LI. so our pool is geographically small, but densely
populated. all adding to the insularity problem and weekend
problem that plagues the entire U.
>
--- End Quote ---
BB coach cant recruit. hes been here three years and all he has
done is lose the team last year and bring in transfers. Its a
shame. we wont buy season tickets again for a long time. there
is no direction. SH and the HC should be gone. Destoryed the
program.
[/quote]
Barry, I've been pounding my table for a while about this topic
with Ford for BB and Priore for football. Some people agree,
some dont. The proof is in the pudding though. Shawn Heilbron
needs to go. He should be the very first one to be let go. Bring
in a new AD with balls, unlike SH, and give that AD full
authority to fire or hire at will. No voting. No drag-out board
meetings and discussion. Give full authority to bring in who he
wants..
[/quote]
I like Shawn, I really do. I'd give him a little more time, but
he's got to prove he deserves it first by firing both Ford and
Coach P. We're a goddamn joke even in basketball now. Two years
ago this team could have won the AE and now we're a joke. Don't
even get me started on football. NO way we should be behind UML
and New Hampshire in basketball, and fighting for positioning
with friggin NJIT in conference. This is total BS.
[/quote]
5 years is more than enough for an AD to accomplish his or her
plan. Remember that 5-year plan??? He is all talk and no action.
He will never fire coach P. And locking in a new HC to a 4 or
5-year contract was just plain dumb. Especially from a coach who
has a mediocre record at best.
#Post#: 32442--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stony Brook in the America East
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: March 2, 2021, 9:37 am
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im supportive of the current administration and wanted to add in
my $0.02. the context has materially changed (read: $). thus,
my expectations have to change with it. the crunch is here or
coming and we have to adjust. it's not going to be the same as
13 months ago.
of course, you can analyze this by freezing that month in
time... but again i don't see the benefit there because of the
new landscape.
#Post#: 32444--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stony Brook in the America East
DIR By: OldSeawolf
Date: March 2, 2021, 2:50 pm
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--- Quote from: Chairman of the Board link ---
>
> im supportive of the current administration and wanted to add
in my $0.02. the context has materially changed (read: $).
thus, my expectations have to change with it. the crunch is
here or coming and we have to adjust. it's not going to be the
same as 13 months ago.
>
> of course, you can analyze this by freezing that month in
time... but again i don't see the benefit there because of the
new landscape.
>
--- End Quote ---
No doubt the landscape has changed, and big time. Covid has
turned the world upside down, and although there are multiple
factors involved, NYS is no longer in a bullish, spending mode.
There will be less $ to go around, and if SBU athletics retains
all of its current programs, it will certainly be a coup imo.
More likely to see cuts ongoing.
Another unknown factor is President McInnis' orientation towards
sports. Although she comes from a big-time sports school, she
has nothing on her resume that indicates that she's
pro-athletics. So this is another TBD wild card.
If you turn the clock back a year, I would have predicted that
SH was destined to pick up and leave for a bigger program. Wow,
have times changed. In this current environment, I'm betting
that SH is happy to have a job, and perhaps even worried about
retaining his job (I'm guessing his contract is up soon). All
speculation on my part.
I've stated this before, but as far as coaches go, neither Geno
or Priore are going anywhere. SBU is not in a financial
position to buy these guys out for a lot of coin, and cannot
afford to consider upgrading to a higher level of coaching
talent.
#Post#: 32446--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stony Brook in the America East
DIR By: guest410
Date: March 2, 2021, 5:13 pm
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--- Quote from: OldSeawolf link ---
>
> [quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=850.msg32442#msg32442 date=1614699422]
> im supportive of the current administration and wanted to add
in my $0.02. the context has materially changed (read: $).
thus, my expectations have to change with it. the crunch is
here or coming and we have to adjust. it's not going to be the
same as 13 months ago.
>
> of course, you can analyze this by freezing that month in
time... but again i don't see the benefit there because of the
new landscape.
>
--- End Quote ---
No doubt the landscape has changed, and big time. Covid has
turned the world upside down, and although there are multiple
factors involved, NYS is no longer in a bullish, spending mode.
There will be less $ to go around, and if SBU athletics retains
all of its current programs, it will certainly be a coup imo.
More likely to see cuts ongoing.
Another unknown factor is President McInnis' orientation towards
sports. Although she comes from a big-time sports school, she
has nothing on her resume that indicates that she's
pro-athletics. So this is another TBD wild card.
If you turn the clock back a year, I would have predicted that
SH was destined to pick up and leave for a bigger program. Wow,
have times changed. In this current environment, I'm betting
that SH is happy to have a job, and perhaps even worried about
retaining his job (I'm guessing his contract is up soon). All
speculation on my part.
I've stated this before, but as far as coaches go, neither Geno
or Priore are going anywhere. SBU is not in a financial
position to buy these guys out for a lot of coin, and cannot
afford to consider upgrading to a higher level of coaching
talent.
[/quote]
In 2019, SH pulled in a cool $425,714, pre tax. Since arriving
at SBU, Heilbron has earned a tad over $1.9 Million, pre tax
(not including 2020 earnings).
#Post#: 32447--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stony Brook in the America East
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: March 2, 2021, 6:59 pm
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--- Quote from: AirTurn link ---
>
> [quote author=OldSeawolf link=topic=850.msg32444#msg32444
date=1614718222]
> [quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=850.msg32442#msg32442 date=1614699422]
> im supportive of the current administration and wanted to add
in my $0.02. the context has materially changed (read: $).
thus, my expectations have to change with it. the crunch is
here or coming and we have to adjust. it's not going to be the
same as 13 months ago.
>
> of course, you can analyze this by freezing that month in
time... but again i don't see the benefit there because of the
new landscape.
>
--- End Quote ---
No doubt the landscape has changed, and big time. Covid has
turned the world upside down, and although there are multiple
factors involved, NYS is no longer in a bullish, spending mode.
There will be less $ to go around, and if SBU athletics retains
all of its current programs, it will certainly be a coup imo.
More likely to see cuts ongoing.
Another unknown factor is President McInnis' orientation towards
sports. Although she comes from a big-time sports school, she
has nothing on her resume that indicates that she's
pro-athletics. So this is another TBD wild card.
If you turn the clock back a year, I would have predicted that
SH was destined to pick up and leave for a bigger program. Wow,
have times changed. In this current environment, I'm betting
that SH is happy to have a job, and perhaps even worried about
retaining his job (I'm guessing his contract is up soon). All
speculation on my part.
I've stated this before, but as far as coaches go, neither Geno
or Priore are going anywhere. SBU is not in a financial
position to buy these guys out for a lot of coin, and cannot
afford to consider upgrading to a higher level of coaching
talent.
[/quote]
In 2019, SH pulled in a cool $425,714, pre tax. Since arriving
at SBU, Heilbron has earned a tad over $1.9 Million, pre tax
(not including 2020 earnings).
[/quote]
WOW! I hadn't realized he made that much money. Is he worth
it?????
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