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#Post#: 30419--------------------------------------------------
Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
DIR By: OldSeawolf
Date: May 12, 2020, 3:33 pm
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--- Quote from: steveoh link ---
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> After one year, I don't have a full grasp on what Geno Ford
can do as a coach, but losing Foreman, Olaniyi, Garcia, Latimer
and Otchere is damning, no matter what the world looks like.
>
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Yeah, this can't reflect well on him, regardless of the spin. I
was just talking to my son about this, and he read that NCAA is
moving toward eliminating the 1-year sit out on transfer. This
is the NCAA's way of throwing these college athletes a bone,
rather than paying them. So, if you're a kid with promise
coming out of HS, why opt to be a role player on a Top Major,
when you can play a year on a Mid-Major team, put some #'s up,
and then transfer up. If this happens, college Bball will never
be the same.
So with a new President in town, how are Geno and Heilbron going
to explain losing your starting 5 in a year that they would have
been favored to win it all? You can bet with all the
discussion abound on this Transfer thing reaching new heights
along with Coronavirus fallout, SBU basketball team, and losing
their starting 5 to transfer, is going to be in the press quite
a bit moving forward.
#Post#: 30420--------------------------------------------------
Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
DIR By: sbufan
Date: May 12, 2020, 3:35 pm
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What's crazy is Ford was hired to keep the core of the team
together. This is a real bummer, but hope the players find nice
landing spots.
EDIT: also a little annoying that the players supposedly
campaigned for Ford last spring, and are now leaving en masse.
But I don't know the real story, so I should keep my mouth shut.
#Post#: 30421--------------------------------------------------
Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: May 12, 2020, 3:48 pm
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neither do i but again- ill state the obvious- virus + portal +
social media = transfer frenzy
it was hard to be a fan of this program before all this... now,
this.
doesnt bode well but the new core of our team is unknown. who
knows- whatever we've done in the past didnt work (how many NCAA
berths did we miss with fullcoursemeelz?), so maybe some fresh
blood is better.
we'd lose less kids if the U did something about student life.
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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
DIR By: OldSeawolf
Date: May 12, 2020, 3:48 pm
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--- Quote from: sbufan link ---
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> What's crazy is Ford was hired to keep the core of the team
together. This is a real bummer, but hope the players find nice
landing spots.
>
> EDIT: also a little annoying that the players supposedly
campaigned for Ford last spring, and are now leaving en masse.
But I don't know the real story, so I should keep my mouth shut.
>
--- End Quote ---
We may never know the whole story, but Otchere definitely left
because of diminished minutes. Latimer definitely clashed with
Ford - could see it every time he was taken out of game.
Latimer also thought he deserved 35 minutes game, despite his
major drop-off this past season. Olaniyi/Garcia/Foreman just
sounds like a coordinated effort between them, and/or the domino
effect. Olaniyi is not NBA material (not sure who is feeding
him this), but him willing to sit out a year tells me that he
thinks there may not be a season upcoming. With him leaving
this may have then triggered Garcia, and then Foreman, to do the
same.
I wish them all well, but hope they don't regret what might have
been. None of them are in the same class as Yeboah, so
hopefully they can emotionally handle a decrease in minutes
(assuming there is a season, of course). I'm guessing that as
of today, season ticket sales won't be going too well.
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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
DIR By: sbufan
Date: May 12, 2020, 3:52 pm
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--- Quote from: OldSeawolf link ---
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> [quote author=sbufan link=topic=846.msg30420#msg30420
date=1589315717]
> What's crazy is Ford was hired to keep the core of the team
together. This is a real bummer, but hope the players find nice
landing spots.
>
> EDIT: also a little annoying that the players supposedly
campaigned for Ford last spring, and are now leaving en masse.
But I don't know the real story, so I should keep my mouth shut.
>
--- End Quote ---
We may never know the whole story, but Otchere definitely left
because of diminished minutes. Latimer definitely clashed with
Ford - could see it every time he was taken out of game.
Latimer also thought he deserved 35 minutes game, despite his
major drop-off this past season. Olaniyi/Garcia/Foreman just
sounds like a coordinated effort between them, and/or the domino
effect. Olaniyi is not NBA material (not sure who is feeding
him this), but him willing to sit out a year tells me that he
thinks there may not be a season upcoming. With him leaving
this may have then triggered Garcia, and then Foreman, to do the
same.
I wish them all well, but hope they don't regret what might have
been. None of them are in the same class as Yeboah, so
hopefully they can emotionally handle a decrease in minutes
(assuming there is a season, of course). I'm guessing that as
of today, season ticket sales won't be going too well.
[/quote]
I do hope it's just that Olaniyi wants to see how he fares at a
high major and Garcia and Foreman want to go to the tournament
and not a larger locker room problem.
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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: May 12, 2020, 4:12 pm
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So you're telling me over the course of two days we lose three
starters, in addition to Latimer, Otchere, and others? What the
actual f***....
Virus or not, I'd have to say this is falling on Geno Ford. The
man is not only inept at coaching, he can't even keep a roster
together. Forget about the virus for a moment. If there's no
college basketball next year that will effect everyone, not just
SBU. So unless these kids are going pro overseas all at the same
time (not happening) this falls squarely on the shoulders of
Ford. I'm REALLY regretting not pulling in a better coach from
the outside after Boals left. This has been nothing short of
disaster save for a couple OOC games here or there.
I don't know a thing about the transfers we've brought in, so
outside of Gueye and TSM, I'm not sure what we have for next
year (if there even is a next year). I'm pissed >:(
Ford's gotta go, and based on the timing Coach P might be out
the door along with him (lol yeah right a man can wish).
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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
DIR By: NJ Seawolf
Date: May 12, 2020, 6:27 pm
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This has been a bizarre day. I don't understand why Olaniyi
would transfer the traditional manner. I like Foreman/Garcia but
Olaniyi will be the biggest loss. Foreman was too inconsistent
for my liking at times. Garcia was steady but Olaniyi was the
most important piece of the team last year.
The transfer situation is going to make mid-major basketball
very difficult to sustain if transfers continue like this.
College sports is already in tough shape for the foreseeable
future. Without a strong mid-major environment, college
basketball is going to take a big hit in popularity. It is
concerning from a coaching standpoint if we have such a crazy
exodus of players. However he did get some very good transfers
to come here which may be driven by Coach Weber.
One positive is if Stony Brook has now started getting several
recruits from LuHi- if a pipeline develops with that school,
that could really advance the program.
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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
DIR By: Checkmate
Date: May 12, 2020, 8:44 pm
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--- Quote from: NJ Seawolf link ---
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> One positive is if Stony Brook has now started getting several
recruits from LuHi- if a pipeline develops with that school,
that could really advance the program.
>
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I think the pipeline's realistic – for the secondary players on
that roster. The premier guys aren't coming to Stony Brook – not
if a legit mid or high major offers them, not as long as we're
in the America East. Maybe as a possible kickback a la
Policelli.
#Post#: 30427--------------------------------------------------
Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
DIR By: SaltySeawolf
Date: May 12, 2020, 9:10 pm
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If we are trying to be optimistic here, social distancing at
home games next year should not be a problem.
#Post#: 30428--------------------------------------------------
Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: May 12, 2020, 9:54 pm
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--- Quote from: NJ Seawolf link ---
>
> This has been a bizarre day. I don't understand why Olaniyi
would transfer the traditional manner. I like Foreman/Garcia but
Olaniyi will be the biggest loss. Foreman was too inconsistent
for my liking at times. Garcia was steady but Olaniyi was the
most important piece of the team last year.
>
> The transfer situation is going to make mid-major basketball
very difficult to sustain if transfers continue like this.
College sports is already in tough shape for the foreseeable
future. Without a strong mid-major environment, college
basketball is going to take a big hit in popularity. It is
concerning from a coaching standpoint if we have such a crazy
exodus of players. However he did get some very good transfers
to come here which may be driven by Coach Weber.
>
> One positive is if Stony Brook has now started getting several
recruits from LuHi- if a pipeline develops with that school,
that could really advance the program.
>
--- End Quote ---
Advance it for two years until they bounce to an A10 or better
conference school (or the friggin WAC, wtf Jeff).
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