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#Post#: 28260--------------------------------------------------
Game 7: at Wagner 11/23, 3pm
DIR By: Checkmate
Date: November 22, 2019, 2:44 pm
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WAGNER (2-3)
Last Game: Wagner 81, St. Peter's 77 in OT on 11/20/19
Last Game with SBU: Wagner 58, Stony Brook 54 on 11/21/10;
offensive rebounds: SBU 28, Wagner 6; SBU shot 23.4% from the
field
Checkmate Unofficial Line: Stony Brook -3.5
Net Ranking: TBD. Debuts next week.
KenPom RPI: Stony Brook 202, Wagner 329
KenPom Prediction: Stony Brook 71, Wagner 65
Listen/Watch:
TV:
HTML http://bit.ly/BBallGm7Vid
Notables:
6-4/190 gr G Curtis Cobb III 21.6 ppg, 1.6 spg, .444 3-pt FG%,
.947 FT%
6-6/180 jr G Alex Morales 12.2 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 4.8 apg, .375 3-pt
FG%
6-5/205 jr G Elijah Ford 11.8 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 1.5 spg, .545 FG%,
.786 FT%
6-5/190 jr G Will Martinez 11.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 4.0 apg
6-5/200 so G Tyrone Nesby IV 8.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg
The first thing of note about the aforementioned five is ...
only one of them played at Wagner a year ago. Cobb was at
Fairfield for two years before transferring to UMass, and now
he's using his graduate year to finish up at Wagner. He's 23
1/2. The next three on the list were standouts at the junior
college level, most notably Morales, who was a second team
All-American at Prince George's CC a year ago, averaging 20, 12
and 6. Martinez played alongside Gueye at Monroe.
Last year, Wagner won just 13 games with a senior-laden group,
so head coach Bashir Mason had to find talent fast to be
competitive. It will take some time to get there, if it ever
does.
I can tell you about Cobb ... he's a scorer. You bring up his
name in Massachusetts hoops circles and that's the first and
last thing that will be brought up. Three ball, mid range, going
to the basket, he can do it. Or at least he's going to try.
Right now, he's averaging more than 15 shots a game, including
nine a night from three. He was a flash in the pan at UMass,
coming out like gangbusters in the non-conference season before
losing his starting job and dropping on the depth chart. But he
definitely had his nights. He set a single-game record at
Fairfield when he dropped 46 on Manhattan. At Wagner, his
numbers are skewed by a 40-point night against D-III Wesley
(strange that Wagner played only 7 players), but he did go for
25 in their recent win over St. Peter's. Not a superior athlete
and he's streaky, but he has the appetite and ability to fill it
up on any given night.
The knock on Wagner this year so far is its defense, with teams
shooting nearly 49 percent from the floor. They allowed 88 to
NJIT, 91 to Penn State and 105 to Seton Hall. Think about that –
even when we've faced the big boys, we've at least guarded
people. St. Peter's didn't crack 50 in its first two games yet
put up 77 on Wagner. That is not a good sign.
Another note: in their three losses, Wagner has had 46 turnovers
to their opponents' 26.
The junior college route may be a quick fix in terms of talent,
but it can feel like pieces to a puzzle but not necessarily the
same one. You bring guys in as freshmen and they're part of the
program for four years. When you take them from here, there and
everywhere, they're coming from different systems and there's
usually some kind of back story. One a year, a la Saintel,
Cornish, Otchere and Gueye? Fine. They've all been assets. But
three at once, plus a fourth who's on his third school, in
virtually the same kind of role is just odd to me.
I'm reluctant to make us a heavy favorite on the road, but I
think our togetherness and commitment to defense are going to
shine through here.
#Post#: 28261--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 7: at Wagner 11/23, 3pm
DIR By: OldSeawolf
Date: November 22, 2019, 3:34 pm
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Easy money IMO, taking your -3.5 or Ken Pom's -6. As long as we
stay focused, we win this one by a dozen.
#Post#: 28262--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 7: at Wagner 11/23, 3pm
DIR By: Checkmate
Date: November 22, 2019, 4:00 pm
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--- Quote from: OldSeawolf link ---
>
> Easy money IMO, taking your -3.5 or Ken Pom's -6. As long as
we stay focused, we win this one by a dozen.
>
--- End Quote ---
I have found that KenPom's projections are almost spot on with
the Vegas lines. And that I usually underestimate us.
#Post#: 28263--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 7: at Wagner 11/23, 3pm
DIR By: OldSeawolf
Date: November 22, 2019, 4:16 pm
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--- Quote from: Checkmate link ---
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> [quote author=OldSeawolf link=topic=810.msg28261#msg28261
date=1574458446]
> Easy money IMO, taking your -3.5 or Ken Pom's -6. As long as
we stay focused, we win this one by a dozen.
>
--- End Quote ---
I have found that KenPom's projections are almost spot on with
the Vegas lines. And that I usually underestimate us.
[/quote]
Do you subscribe to KenPom? If so, is it worth the price of
admission?
#Post#: 28265--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 7: at Wagner 11/23, 3pm
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: November 22, 2019, 6:32 pm
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Kinda glad to play Wagner in something that isn't a football buy
game for a change. Not that the result will be any different
though.
#Post#: 28269--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 7: at Wagner 11/23, 3pm
DIR By: Checkmate
Date: November 22, 2019, 9:43 pm
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--- Quote from: OldSeawolf link ---
>
> [quote author=Checkmate link=topic=810.msg28262#msg28262
date=1574460019]
> [quote author=OldSeawolf link=topic=810.msg28261#msg28261
date=1574458446]
> Easy money IMO, taking your -3.5 or Ken Pom's -6. As long as
we stay focused, we win this one by a dozen.
>
--- End Quote ---
I have found that KenPom's projections are almost spot on with
the Vegas lines. And that I usually underestimate us.
[/quote]
Do you subscribe to KenPom? If so, is it worth the price of
admission?
[/quote]
I do. It’s OK; something that I could live without, but I also
don’t utilize it to its fullest extent I’m sure.
As expected, Vegas and KenPom are in lockstep. Stony Brook -6
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#Post#: 28270--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 7: at Wagner 11/23, 3pm
DIR By: Checkmate
Date: November 22, 2019, 9:56 pm
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It's worth noting that Wagner picked up two key pieces in the
last week – their point guard, Chase Freeman, who missed the
middle three games of their five-game start due to injury, and
three-point shooter Nigel Jackson. They're actually their two
leading returning scorers from last year (6.2 and 6.8 ppg
respectively). Maybe not the front-line guys but they'll play
significant minutes (Freeman played 40 on Wednesday).
Also, Wagner outscored St. Peter's 20-16 in the overtime period.
They went *16 for 19* from the line in OT alone.
#dullestovertimeever
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Re: Game 7: at Wagner 11/23, 3pm
DIR By: OldSeawolf
Date: November 23, 2019, 2:11 pm
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Anyone able to get feed?
#Post#: 28290--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 7: at Wagner 11/23, 3pm
DIR By: Checkmate
Date: November 23, 2019, 2:44 pm
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I’m on the feed.
Big news is that Cobb isn’t playing.
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#Post#: 28291--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 7: at Wagner 11/23, 3pm
DIR By: Checkmate
Date: November 23, 2019, 2:49 pm
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Both teams shooting the lights out from three. It’s been
refreshing to see Otchere and Gueye on the court at the same
time.
Foreman really proving to be a force offensively.
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