DIR Return Create A Forum - Home
---------------------------------------------------------
Stony Brook Fans
HTML https://sbufan.createaforum.com
---------------------------------------------------------
*****************************************************
DIR Return to: SBU Men's Basketball
*****************************************************
#Post#: 28050--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 1: vs. Yale 11/5, 7pm
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: November 5, 2019, 8:02 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
oh latimer... oh baby
#Post#: 28051--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 1: vs. Yale 11/5, 7pm
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: November 5, 2019, 8:26 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
the good- boards, FTs, fouls, blocks.
the bad- layups, ball handling, shot selection, airballs, gueye
fouls.
notable- latimer FTs. 22 boards, 9 blocks for otch and gueye.
latimer adding some penetration to the toolbox. otch looks
improved. foreman is game-ready.
i think we'll be ok with foreman handling plus others, but want
to hear what you guys think.
#Post#: 28052--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 1: vs. Yale 11/5, 7pm
DIR By: Wolfie_MD
Date: November 5, 2019, 9:09 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Not a bad game all things considered. Still sloppy but this
group is young and learning how to play together.
Gouye is definitely rough around the edges but is a unique
talent- he's really quick and will only get better. Our shooting
was awful all game and I expect that to improve. Yale is a
solid, well-coached team. I did not like Garcia's play at the
end of regulation.
Should be an interesting season.
#Post#: 28053--------------------------------------------------
Game 1: vs. Yale 11/5, 7pm
DIR By: Checkmate
Date: November 5, 2019, 10:10 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
I found it so interesting that we went to the rack every time
down, shot blockers be damned. We missed a lot of bunnies,
particularly Olaniyi in the first half, but I appreciate the
willingness. Latimer did very little of that last year, but he
was aggressive.
The best part of the night was Otchere. For him to play TWENTY
EIGHT minutes without committing a foul is PROGRESS. What were
the Vegas odds on him being the only major contributor ON EITHER
TEAM to not commit a foul – 3860388392 to 1 maybe? He was a
different player on the defensive end – even better than a year
ago – and it was GREAT to see. I think that having Gueye as
another rim protector allows him to hunt blocks more. Gueye has
to be stronger with the ball, but it was fun seeing him on the
glass and altering shots. And as a tandem, wow, we're going to
see some highlight reel blocks (like the one Otchere had on
Bruner) and exponentially more dunks than we've seen in years
past.
Bruner and Atkinson were pretty tough on the inside though. They
had a clear edge in physicality on our bigs and used it to their
advantage. Otchere and Gueye left their feet for the block more
than a few times and did well to not commit fouls.
In other post man news: Ochefu 2 minutes. Christie DNP-CD.
An interesting nugget from the Newsday story – Foreman didn't
practice for the 12 days leading up to the game. Without knowing
that, I thought McKenzie was just going to play filler minutes,
but I really commend him for his defensive work on Monroe. It
was him and not Foreman down the stretch defensively (perhaps
injury related), and he was right up in Monroe's face. Monroe
was a nice, steady hand for Yale. The one thing he had on
McKenzie was the willingness to attack. McKenzie just will not
do it and is rarely inside 10 feet. Monroe went in amongst the
trees and distributed from there. You saw it a few times with
him and Atkinson throughout the game and from a MILE AWAY on the
final possession in regulation. With our drives, I'd like to see
some more distribution, whether it's out to shooters or in the
interior. Too much putting our head down and bulling our way in.
Olaniyi had a gutsy 19 points, but I don't think he can be a
20-shot guy every night.
Latimer had a big make tonight, and I think Foreman's going to
hit some big ones of his own before the season's over.
How many missed shots did we see BOUNCE ON THE FLOOR before
someone grabbed the rebound? Too many times. Go up and get it.
Good student section tonight. It was great having SNY in the
house.
And the SBU trading cards they gave out were AWESOME.
#Post#: 28054--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 1: vs. Yale 11/5, 7pm
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: November 6, 2019, 5:08 am
---------------------------------------------------------
This team looks as raw as an Onion. Clearly missing Yeboah. But
I do see them improving as time goes on.
#Post#: 28055--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 1: vs. Yale 11/5, 7pm
DIR By: OldSeawolf
Date: November 6, 2019, 5:41 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Hammertime link ---
>
> This team looks as raw as an Onion. Clearly missing Yeboah.
But I do see them improving as time goes on.
>
--- End Quote ---
So just watched game this morning, and I agree with Hammer. We
miss having a go-to shooter, aka Yeboah. Elijah is definitely
one of the top dogs on this team, but I don't feel comfortable
with him being the man and taking the big shot, given his
inconsistent streaky shooting. Yet he kept us in the game in
the 2nd half, after a horrid 1st half (how many lay-ups did he
miss?). I hope we have few 1st halves during the season, like
we did here, because that 1st half was just downright ugly.
But the leaders on this team: Foreman, Garcia, Elijah, and
Latimer, stepped up in the 2nd half. Our defense was strong
overall, and I think we have to have the team approach, with a
different star-by-committee every night, if we're going to win.
Maybe it's because we're a tad banged up and it was the first
game, but Geno seems to rotate players a lot more than Boals
did.
The positives from my vantage point:
I know he's banged up, but I think Foreman is an upgrade over
Cornish, in that he can hit from the outside (his PG play is
still a question mark though). Really impressed with Gueye's
athleticism, although he's raw as hell. Definitely a work in
progress, but love his defense and his unabashed offensive
approach. Impressed with Big Jeff's play overall, and his
ability to stay on the court, although he left his post under
the basket on that last play in regulation. If he and Gueye can
stay on the court, we have a legitimate twin-towers defense in
there. Free throw shooting was money, and kept us in the game.
Defense was really good overall.
The negatives from my vantage point:
Really poor ball movement throughout. Shot selection and
abysmal shooting in the first half, turned around somewhat in
the 2nd half. Looks like we lack that go-to guy, ala Akwasi,
Woodhouse, Warney, etc.
Tough game against a solid Yale team, although Yale isn't as
strong overall as they were last year. We'll see how we
progress as season unfolds.
#Post#: 28056--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 1: vs. Yale 11/5, 7pm
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: November 6, 2019, 8:44 am
---------------------------------------------------------
agreed that Ola shouldnt be taking 20 attempts, but really
everyone was cold. if we are going to take threes (i think we
started 0-7) some of them should at least be higher % shots.
the poor ball movement is reflected in the 10 assists- in an OT
game.
we just got worked at the beginning of OT. and keep in mind-
while the Elis arent the same team from last year, the Ivy has
restrictions that we don't, that make it harder to attract
athletes.
i did notice that probably 2-3 boards at the end hit the floor
first- they were late, maybe it was fatigue. so much for that
depth im always going on about!
in other news- didnt realize that garcia had 39 minutes!
with foreman healthy, we could have a nice starting five with
otch, garcia, ola, latimer, and maybe gueye as a 6th man?
#Post#: 28058--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 1: vs. Yale 11/5, 7pm
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: November 6, 2019, 10:57 am
---------------------------------------------------------
I didn't get to see any of the game, but how did Garcia play? I
remember him basically having a perfect game against Northern
Iowa last year, and he stepped right in when Yeboah was
injured/not on the court last year, so I figured maybe he'd be
"the guy" for this team. I think it's ok if we don't have
someone like that. I'd rather have quality depth all over and
just get the ball to whoever has the hot hand that night. Better
than centering your entire team around one player IMO.
#Post#: 28059--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 1: vs. Yale 11/5, 7pm
DIR By: steveoh
Date: November 6, 2019, 12:42 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
I didn't know Foreman was hurt leading up to the game.
My only complaint is that it seemed like it took a ton of work
by us just to get a shot off. Lot of driving (which I like), but
it wasn't like we were blowing by people. We dug hard for those
shots. I wish they were easier and more organic.
We just don't have a creator on the roster, someone who
understands how to move a defense in a way that will create open
looks and opportunities for his teammates. Maybe that can be
Foreman when he gets healthy.
Tough game. But there's something there. Definitely.
#Post#: 28062--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 1: vs. Yale 11/5, 7pm
DIR By: Checkmate
Date: November 7, 2019, 1:01 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: steveoh link ---
>
> I didn't know Foreman was hurt leading up to the game.
>
> My only complaint is that it seemed like it took a ton of work
by us just to get a shot off. Lot of driving (which I like), but
it wasn't like we were blowing by people. We dug hard for those
shots. I wish they were easier and more organic.
>
> We just don't have a creator on the roster, someone who
understands how to move a defense in a way that will create open
looks and opportunities for his teammates. Maybe that can be
Foreman when he gets healthy.
>
> Tough game. But there's something there. Definitely.
>
--- End Quote ---
I thought that the team lacked movement on the offensive end. As
you said, nothing came easy. It was Garcia, Olaniyi and Latimer
taking it inside as far as they could, being met by defenders,
and putting a shot up amid a sea of arms. There has to be a
better plan than that. And even with the emphasis on getting it
inside, Yale outscored us 32-18 in the paint. That was almost
all Atkinson. He's a player we just don't have.
I wonder if we see McKenzie and Foreman out there a lot to
address the issue of flow. Or maybe it's not an issue; just a
first game/familiarity thing.
As for Garcia, nothing outstanding from my perspective. Most of
his shots were from in close and in traffic. I think that
Olaniyi and Foreman are the closest things we have to an alpha
dog, with Garcia and Latimer behind them.
*****************************************************
Page 3 of 3
DIR Previous Page