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Re: UConn to join the Big East in 2020
By: ry1nik Date: June 25, 2019, 12:51 pm
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Buffalo had nine losing seasons after joining FBS before turning
it around. Coupled with the failure of UMass football, a very
possible outcome of SBU going FBS can be many losing seasons. Be
careful what you wish for because you just might get it.
#Post#: 27202--------------------------------------------------
Re: UConn to join the Big East in 2020
By: ecasadoSBU Date: June 25, 2019, 3:18 pm
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[quote author=ry1nik link=topic=777.msg27199#msg27199
date=1561485092]
Buffalo had nine losing seasons after joining FBS before turning
it around. Coupled with the failure of UMass football, a very
possible outcome of SBU going FBS can be many losing seasons. Be
careful what you wish for because you just might get it.
[/quote]
That's exactly right. I want no part of SBU in a crappy FBS
conference with losing seasons year after year. For what? So we
can say we scheduled a Buy game with Michigan for $1 Million and
get blown out?
There is no point in going FBS right now. We need to create a
long-term winning culture in the CAA, grow our cohesive fan base
(which may take years, or may never happen in LI), and then if
the opportunity is there we can take it.
Right now, there is little difference between low-tier FBS and
high-level FCS other than 20 additional scholarships. I'm happy
with the CAA and playing northeastern flagship public
universities.
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Re: UConn to join the Big East in 2020
By: Chairman of the Board Date: June 25, 2019, 3:58 pm
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im not really on either side of the fence of the whole FBS/FCS
argument.
but i will say- before we make any football-related moves, we
should try to get more than a thousand kids to stay on campus
for a weekend*.
*and then actually contribute to the atmosphere of the
university
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Re: UConn to join the Big East in 2020
By: Hammertime Date: June 25, 2019, 4:51 pm
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[quote author=ecasadoSBU link=topic=777.msg27202#msg27202
date=1561493916]
[quote author=ry1nik link=topic=777.msg27199#msg27199
date=1561485092]
Buffalo had nine losing seasons after joining FBS before turning
it around. Coupled with the failure of UMass football, a very
possible outcome of SBU going FBS can be many losing seasons. Be
careful what you wish for because you just might get it.
[/quote]
That's exactly right. I want no part of SBU in a crappy FBS
conference with losing seasons year after year. For what? So we
can say we scheduled a Buy game with Michigan for $1 Million and
get blown out?
There is no point in going FBS right now. We need to create a
long-term winning culture in the CAA, grow our cohesive fan base
(which may take years, or may never happen in LI), and then if
the opportunity is there we can take it.
Right now, there is little difference between low-tier FBS and
high-level FCS other than 20 additional scholarships. I'm happy
with the CAA and playing northeastern flagship public
universities.
[/quote]
I totally understand your concerns for moving up to the FBS, if
asked, however. If SB is asked by the MAC to make the leap now
they have to oblige. This opportunity may never come around
again for SB.
I still think all this talk is just that, TALK. SB is not going
anywhere. I cant think of one reason why the MAC or any other
lower major FBS conference would even consider SB to join their
conference.
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Re: UConn to join the Big East in 2020
By: guest369 Date: June 25, 2019, 5:56 pm
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Kids gotta stop going home every weekend to see their mommies
and daddies. You guys are grown ass adults, GTFO here with this
baby shit.
Also there should be a limit on how many people can commute to
the school. Maybe even ban commuting altogether. Or just accept
more kids from upstate. This problem should have been fixed by
now, admin!
#Post#: 27206--------------------------------------------------
Re: UConn to join the Big East in 2020
By: Chairman of the Board Date: June 25, 2019, 7:11 pm
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exact same thing i proposed. between excelsior and the fact
that it's harder to go home- we should give preference to
upstate students, and especially those that will contribute to
the community.
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Re: UConn to join the Big East in 2020
By: Tml Date: June 25, 2019, 8:13 pm
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[quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=777.msg27203#msg27203 date=1561496305]
im not really on either side of the fence of the whole FBS/FCS
argument.
but i will say- before we make any football-related moves, we
should try to get more than a thousand kids to stay on campus
for a weekend*.
*and then actually contribute to the atmosphere of the
university
[/quote]
This has been SB’s biggest problem since . . . forever.
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Re: UConn to join the Big East in 2020
By: NoVA_Seawolf Date: June 25, 2019, 10:20 pm
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To provide a counter point to the anti-FBS sentiment, I will say
that for a school like SBU, a state flagship with an enrollment
of over 26,000 and AAU status, being in the FCS is the
exception, not the norm. All of our peers are FBS, and most of
them yet are in P5 conferences. Hell, the only reason we're not
there is likely because we're so new (founded in 1957), and the
fact that SUNY banned all athletic scholarships in the 70s
effectively freezing the growth of SUNY athletic departments for
a 20 year period. To address the point of Buffalo moving to FBS
so soon, they moved up as fast as they could as soon as the ban
was lifted. We basically did the same thing going in the 90's
going from D3 to D1/D1-AA over about a six year period. We're
one of only two public AAU members in the FCS. UC Davis is the
other. Simply put, our profile is that of an FBS school and we
will make it there soon. If Heilbron gets an invite from an FBS
conference, he's got to take it. As mentioned those don't come
often. There are still JMU fans kicking themselves for not
taking the Sun Belt invite a few years back despite the success
they've had since.
UB has struggled the way they have because they have geography
working against them. At the end of the day, you still have to
recruit kids to Buffalo New York. Even in the MAC that's tough.
We shouldn't let their struggles scare us off from being where
we need to be. Long Island with NYC being right there is much
more desirable than friggin Buffalo. Our academics also help
here. Despite all of SBUs struggles in building a sociable
campus culture, we're still able to get talented kids to come
play here. That says something.
UMass is a whole other animal. They rejected a full invite from
the MAC in order to keep their basketball in the A10. We
wouldn't make the same mistake. Besides, if you actually look at
their games, they have a competitive program. They've gotten
VERY close to pulling some huge upsets. It's not like their
program is completely inept. Being in the Northeast doesn't mean
the program will totally flop at the FBS level. In fact, this
past year has been the best for Northeast football in a long
time. Buffalo, Army, Syracuse, Temple... all of them had good
seasons. It's not impossible to win up here. It's not like we're
jumping straight to the Big Ten. I agree I would never want to
move up in order to be a perennial 2-10 program, but that's not
what SBU would be if we continue investing into athletics and
making good hires. I know I give Coach P a hard time a lot, but
based on what I've seen, I see no reason why this program
couldn't be competitive if we played in the MAC and got the
talent to go with it.
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Re: UConn to join the Big East in 2020
By: RecoveringHillbilly Date: June 26, 2019, 6:58 pm
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[quote author=Green Baron link=topic=777.msg27198#msg27198
date=1561481044]
My question is why the hell did Buffalo ever get an FBS invite
in the first place? After moving up from D3 to I-AA, they went
21-45 with just one winning season. Basketball was also
middling. By merit, they never deserved their place in the
MAC.[/quote]
UB was invited to the MAC in 1995 when the MAC wanted new
markets. We were 3 years removed from D3 football so it came
down to profile and the Buffalo market. Our prez then was all-in
on returning to FBS, as we were playing at the highest level &
beating up on Temple in the 1960's. We expanded our stadium on
the cheap and hit the season ticket mark to seal it. We had meh
AD's and coaches in over their heads until we brought in
football minds with Warde Manuel and Turner Gill.
#Post#: 27219--------------------------------------------------
Re: UConn to join the Big East in 2020
By: iBOsbu Date: June 28, 2019, 7:48 am
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I was reading some of the chatter on Twitter that besides
basketball prestige of Big East and travel savings, another
reason UConn not worrying too much about leaving AAC is that SNY
will most likely give 1.5~2m to broadcast their home football
games! It made me think... why are we, the Seawolves fb, stuck
with bad CAA tv deals? I like CAA but hate the TV deals. I Know
we won’t make money and it’s not about money. Is it possible to
play in CAA but have our football broadcast independence? May
be have our home games on SNY for free! SNY needs live sports
for fall. Providing our home games for free would provide
invaluable exposure.
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