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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: November 26, 2018, 1:36 pm
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> [quote author=Hammertime link=topic=727.msg24458#msg24458
date=1543227410]
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> It's hard to recruit good players out of HS when there is zero
history of this program getting kids drafted. I believe SB
coaches dont have what it takes to take them to the next level
and falls on the shoulders of the coaches, all of them.
>
> I can only think of one coach in the 10 years Ive been
following SB football that is a quality coach and who can take
an athlete and make him into a quality BFL player, and that is
Lyle Hemphill, who was just promoted to Defensive Coordinator at
Wake Forest.
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Funny you mention Hemphill. I think we should have fired Coach P
after the 2016 season and promoted Hemphill to be the head
coach. Hemphill coached our guys into the number 1 defense in
FCS for a time. To let that guy simply walk out the door was
criminal. I wonder if we could get him back? He was far and away
the best guy to take over our program. That defense was the only
thing preventing those teams from going 2-9.
[/quote]
My thoughts exactly. Why he wasn't chosen to supersede coach P
is a mystery. Obviously, coach P has a strong hold on this
Athletic dept. As far as getting Hemphill back to SB. Forget it.
He went form a safeties coach to Defensive coordinator. That's
huge in the FBS and his ceiling is endless. Dont be shocked to
see him as the HC at some Power 5 team in the near future. He
helped bring Wake Forest out from the doldrums to being an
contender in the ACC coastal conference.
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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: November 26, 2018, 3:16 pm
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--- Quote from: Hammertime link ---
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> [quote author=VA_Seawolf link=topic=727.msg24465#msg24465
date=1543257711]
> [quote author=Hammertime link=topic=727.msg24458#msg24458
date=1543227410]
>
> It's hard to recruit good players out of HS when there is zero
history of this program getting kids drafted. I believe SB
coaches dont have what it takes to take them to the next level
and falls on the shoulders of the coaches, all of them.
>
> I can only think of one coach in the 10 years Ive been
following SB football that is a quality coach and who can take
an athlete and make him into a quality BFL player, and that is
Lyle Hemphill, who was just promoted to Defensive Coordinator at
Wake Forest.
>
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Funny you mention Hemphill. I think we should have fired Coach P
after the 2016 season and promoted Hemphill to be the head
coach. Hemphill coached our guys into the number 1 defense in
FCS for a time. To let that guy simply walk out the door was
criminal. I wonder if we could get him back? He was far and away
the best guy to take over our program. That defense was the only
thing preventing those teams from going 2-9.
[/quote]
My thoughts exactly. Why he wasn't chosen to supersede coach P
is a mystery. Obviously, coach P has a strong hold on this
Athletic dept. As far as getting Hemphill back to SB. Forget it.
He went form a safeties coach to Defensive coordinator. That's
huge in the FBS and his ceiling is endless. Dont be shocked to
see him as the HC at some Power 5 team in the near future. He
helped bring Wake Forest out from the doldrums to being an
contender in the ACC coastal conference.
[/quote]
Just heard the news myself:
HTML https://247sports.com/college/wake-forest/Article/Wake-Forest-Football-coach-Dave-Clawson-promotes-Lyle-Hemphill-Dave-Cohen-to-lead-defense--125314135/
Not surprised at all. The guy was incredible as a DC and I would
have loved to see us give him a shot as a head coach. Zero doubt
he'll get a P5 head coaching job soon. Not all good coordinators
make good head coaches, but I'd have loved to give him a chance.
Oh well.
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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
DIR By: Seawolf97
Date: November 26, 2018, 3:25 pm
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Four more years of up the middle three times then punt . Throw
in the occasional 15 yard pass once in awhile. Scary offense.
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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
DIR By: ry1nik
Date: November 26, 2018, 4:44 pm
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--- Quote from: Seawolf97 link ---
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> Four more years of up the middle three times then punt .
Throw in the occasional 15 yard pass once in awhile. Scary
offense.
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This is quite funny. Unfortunately it’s also quite true.
#Post#: 24470--------------------------------------------------
Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
DIR By: NewGuy
Date: November 26, 2018, 6:26 pm
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Saw where they just named the captains. The only "head
scratcher" to me is Isiah White and not because he's not a good
ball player- but because he was academically ineligible all
season and to "reward" him a "C" on his chest just stinks for
the others who played all year. Gotta be some other seniors
instead, but the players pick them so...
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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: November 26, 2018, 6:47 pm
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--- Quote from: ry1nik link ---
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> [quote author=Seawolf97 link=topic=727.msg24468#msg24468
date=1543267547]
> Four more years of up the middle three times then punt .
Throw in the occasional 15 yard pass once in awhile. Scary
offense.
>
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This is quite funny. Unfortunately it’s also quite true.
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It's not funny and it is getting quite old with the ground and
pound and up the gut. Coach P is so predictable and he isnt
fooling any team. He could get away with it once in a while
against mediocre teams, but once he goes up against tougher
competition, he gets rolled.
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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
DIR By: Wolfie_MD
Date: November 26, 2018, 7:55 pm
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I am really impressed with what Shawn has done with basketball
and the other scholarship sports. His decision to extend Priore
middle of the season was bizarre and I don't really understand
it. There is so much money thrown around college football at
mediocre to bad college coaches (Exhibit A: Chris Ash at
Rutgers; Exhibit B: Bobby Petrino at Louisville).
There are so many talented kids on this team and I'd love to see
them take the next step. Our quarterback situation is going to
be really interesting- if we can get a good FBS transfer (which
should not be too tough honestly), that could be huge.
I'm a sucker so I'll keep out holding hope for this team to take
that next step towards greatness. I'd love for football to take
charge but I don't see it barring big changes in how this
program does things.
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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: November 26, 2018, 10:57 pm
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We have Fields, we have some talented young guys entering the
program at that position so that's good, but I think we're stuck
in a chicken vs the egg situation. We get fairly talented guys,
but we can't develop them so we wind up with inconsistent
quarterback play, but since we can't develop guys, we're not
going to be attractive to the FBS transfers. We'll be stuck in a
bad spot until we can develop talent at that position. By
finally getting dual threat guys like Fields, Zamot, etc. at the
position, we can complement our already run heavy offense with a
mobile quarterback, while at the same time masking our inability
to develop QB talent!! Brilliant I have to say ;D
Jokes aside, that's really how I see it. Best we can hope for in
the near term is that the running threat a mobile QB brings
opens up some passing opportunities for whoever we put back
there. We're not going to develop them into a great passer, so
they might as well be able to scramble and move the ball with
their feet. I can't recall SBU ever having a true dual threat
quarterback in the past. Didn't fit with Priore's traditional
style of offense in the past anyhow.
#Post#: 24477--------------------------------------------------
Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: November 27, 2018, 3:39 am
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--- Quote from: VA_Seawolf link ---
>
> We have Fields, we have some talented young guys entering the
program at that position so that's good, but I think we're stuck
in a chicken vs the egg situation. We get fairly talented guys,
but we can't develop them so we wind up with inconsistent
quarterback play, but since we can't develop guys, we're not
going to be attractive to the FBS transfers. We'll be stuck in a
bad spot until we can develop talent at that position. By
finally getting dual threat guys like Fields, Zamot, etc. at the
position, we can complement our already run heavy offense with a
mobile quarterback, while at the same time masking our inability
to develop QB talent!! Brilliant I have to say ;D
>
> Jokes aside, that's really how I see it. Best we can hope for
in the near term is that the running threat a mobile QB brings
opens up some passing opportunities for whoever we put back
there. We're not going to develop them into a great passer, so
they might as well be able to scramble and move the ball with
their feet. I can't recall SBU ever having a true dual threat
quarterback in the past. Didn't fit with Priore's traditional
style of offense in the past anyhow.
>
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I'm not even sure what to say any more about this "beating a
dead horse" topic. Coach P is not going to ever change, and the
QB situation is going to be the same as Carbone for the next 4
years. It is what it is. We all know what needs to be done to
take this program to the upper echelons of the FCS, and it's not
this current coaching staff. Oh, well. Thank god it's over and
now we can focus 100% on Basketball..
#Post#: 24479--------------------------------------------------
Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: November 27, 2018, 7:47 am
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im more bullish than most of you guys. even though it's just HS
film, i liked what i saw from sanchez and zamot. coach P has
surprised us in the past- last year for example, and to some
extent this year. sure we can improve at certain positions but
we had a pretty good year. so much of it is expectations. GO SB
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