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#Post#: 20577--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 12: at Providence 12/17
DIR By: Seawolf97
Date: December 17, 2017, 3:32 pm
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Story of SBU Hoops this year cant finish we lose focus and the
lead. Rutgers Friday !
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Re: Game 12: at Providence 12/17
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: December 17, 2017, 3:36 pm
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This game was one we could have had, and ultimately should have
had. We're at the point where we can't keep making excuses for
meltdowns like this. That would have been fine a month ago, but
we're almost at the end of December and this Providence team was
missing four of their starters. They were banged up and we had a
double-digit lead. After having that lead the players got sloppy
and lost focus. Once Providence started to really rally back, I
had to change the channel because I knew at that point what was
going to happen. Maybe in OT we have a shot, but that GARBAGE
foul at the end sealed it. What a joke. It should have never
even come to that point though.
Today should have been a win. Maybe we'll start rolling teams
come AE play and have a great season, but I kinda doubt it.
--- Quote from: ry1nik link ---
>
> That last foul just another example of how the college game
has become less watchable because of refs blowing their whistles
too much for ticky tack fouls. Overall entertaining game but the
outcome was never really in doubt.
>
--- End Quote ---
I agree. That's the number one thing I hate about basketball
period at all levels. The refs blow the whistle every 5 seconds
for the every little minute pat on the shoulder. It makes it
unwatchable most of the time. It's quite frustrating.
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Re: Game 12: at Providence 12/17
DIR By: Moveitfred
Date: December 17, 2017, 3:47 pm
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Would be nice for SBU to get games like this, but I'd say that's
about the best you can expect from the team right now. They have
a habit of being pretty good and poised for 30 mins against more
talented teams, and they just don't seem to have the leadership
from anyone at the moment to handle things when the noose
tightens (especially on the road).
One of those games where if beforehand someone said to an SBU
fan, You take this game coming down to the final possession? And
most of us would reply, Heck yes. Then you see the game and
think, Ugh, they should have won that one...
Thing is, Providence down a few players is still more
athletic/talented than SBU. End of the day, those teams usually
win.
PS, nice win by Rutgers yesterday. Maybe they're still feeling
good going into the sure win and SBU catches them napping.
Probably not, but on to the next one.
#Post#: 20580--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 12: at Providence 12/17
DIR By: ry1nik
Date: December 17, 2017, 3:49 pm
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--- Quote from: ry1nik link ---
>
> That last foul just another example of how the college game
has become less watchable because of refs blowing their whistles
too much for ticky tack fouls. Overall entertaining game but the
outcome was never really in doubt.
>
--- End Quote ---
I agree. That's the number one thing I hate about basketball
period at all levels. The refs blow the whistle every 5 seconds
for the every little minute pat on the shoulder. It makes it
unwatchable most of the time. It's quite frustrating.
[/quote]
The pro refs aren’t as bad but in college it seems like
incidental contact is a capital offense.
#Post#: 20581--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 12: at Providence 12/17
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: December 17, 2017, 3:57 pm
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--- Quote from: Moveitfred link ---
>
> Would be nice for SBU to get games like this, but I'd say
that's about the best you can expect from the team right now.
They have a habit of being pretty good and poised for 30 mins
against more talented teams, and they just don't seem to have
the leadership from anyone at the moment to handle things when
the noose tightens (especially on the road).
>
> One of those games where if beforehand someone said to an SBU
fan, You take this game coming down to the final possession? And
most of us would reply, Heck yes. Then you see the game and
think, Ugh, they should have won that one...
>
> Thing is, Providence down a few players is still more
athletic/talented than SBU. End of the day, those teams usually
win.
>
> PS, nice win by Rutgers yesterday. Maybe they're still feeling
good going into the sure win and SBU catches them napping.
Probably not, but on to the next one.
>
--- End Quote ---
I'd agree with this completely had this been Providence's first
team. If they have all of those guys, they're quite likely
undefeated and/or ranked coming into today. A performance like
that against a healthy team I'd be fine with. What gets me
though is that we had this colossal meltdown against what was
effectively their 2nd string. That's why I'm upset beyond the
usual "we blew it in the 4th quarter again" type of game.
I think we'll do just fine come AE play though and in a year or
two if we keep scheduling like this, I'd expect we'll start
winning these kinds of games. I'll still take a loss in a game
like today's though over beating up on SWAC and D2 teams in the
non-conference.
#Post#: 20582--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 12: at Providence 12/17
DIR By: Moveitfred
Date: December 18, 2017, 7:43 am
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--- Quote from: VA_Seawolf link ---
>
> [quote author=Moveitfred link=topic=662.msg20579#msg20579
date=1513547237]
> Would be nice for SBU to get games like this, but I'd say
that's about the best you can expect from the team right now.
They have a habit of being pretty good and poised for 30 mins
against more talented teams, and they just don't seem to have
the leadership from anyone at the moment to handle things when
the noose tightens (especially on the road).
>
> One of those games where if beforehand someone said to an SBU
fan, You take this game coming down to the final possession? And
most of us would reply, Heck yes. Then you see the game and
think, Ugh, they should have won that one...
>
> Thing is, Providence down a few players is still more
athletic/talented than SBU. End of the day, those teams usually
win.
>
> PS, nice win by Rutgers yesterday. Maybe they're still feeling
good going into the sure win and SBU catches them napping.
Probably not, but on to the next one.
>
--- End Quote ---
I'd agree with this completely had this been Providence's first
team. If they have all of those guys, they're quite likely
undefeated and/or ranked coming into today. A performance like
that against a healthy team I'd be fine with. What gets me
though is that we had this colossal meltdown against what was
effectively their 2nd string. That's why I'm upset beyond the
usual "we blew it in the 4th quarter again" type of game.
I think we'll do just fine come AE play though and in a year or
two if we keep scheduling like this, I'd expect we'll start
winning these kinds of games. I'll still take a loss in a game
like today's though over beating up on SWAC and D2 teams in the
non-conference.
[/quote]
Yeah, I get it. I'd still argue that Providence down a few
players is still better than SBU in terms of talent and
athleticism. I think back, too, to what was undoubtedly the best
team in SBU history. How many times did we see that team have
trouble under pressure with the clock ticking down. Errant
passes, just in general the wheels coming off. I can think of at
least a couple of big games.
I think so much of all the complaints this year circle back to
this: Who can you realistically get to come play at SBU in the
AE? Bottom line, the "better" players simply go elsewhere...to
Providence and all the "better" basketball programs. You can
recruit your legs and brain off (and I think Boals and Pikiell
both do/did good jobs) and once in a lifetime you might get
lucky, but usually you just get those players left after the big
boys take the most talented.
After that, you do what you can, but there is only so much magic
left in the box to make things better with practice and
experience. Again, game like that maybe you get lucky (Sekunda
hits a couple more threes, a couple of guys don't throw the ball
into the front row in the last few minutes), but usually not.
That said, you're right. AE levels the playing field when the
time comes. Those final 3 playoff games are all that really
matter. This SBU group still has a lot of weapons within the
context of AE play. So do a lot of AE teams. Obvious, I know,
but the AE always seems to come down to whoever is hot in March,
which could be any team.
#Post#: 20583--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 12: at Providence 12/17
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: December 18, 2017, 7:51 am
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--- Quote from: Moveitfred link ---
>
> [quote author=VA_Seawolf link=topic=662.msg20581#msg20581
date=1513547832]
> [quote author=Moveitfred link=topic=662.msg20579#msg20579
date=1513547237]
> Would be nice for SBU to get games like this, but I'd say
that's about the best you can expect from the team right now.
They have a habit of being pretty good and poised for 30 mins
against more talented teams, and they just don't seem to have
the leadership from anyone at the moment to handle things when
the noose tightens (especially on the road).
>
> One of those games where if beforehand someone said to an SBU
fan, You take this game coming down to the final possession? And
most of us would reply, Heck yes. Then you see the game and
think, Ugh, they should have won that one...
>
> Thing is, Providence down a few players is still more
athletic/talented than SBU. End of the day, those teams usually
win.
>
> PS, nice win by Rutgers yesterday. Maybe they're still feeling
good going into the sure win and SBU catches them napping.
Probably not, but on to the next one.
>
--- End Quote ---
I'd agree with this completely had this been Providence's first
team. If they have all of those guys, they're quite likely
undefeated and/or ranked coming into today. A performance like
that against a healthy team I'd be fine with. What gets me
though is that we had this colossal meltdown against what was
effectively their 2nd string. That's why I'm upset beyond the
usual "we blew it in the 4th quarter again" type of game.
I think we'll do just fine come AE play though and in a year or
two if we keep scheduling like this, I'd expect we'll start
winning these kinds of games. I'll still take a loss in a game
like today's though over beating up on SWAC and D2 teams in the
non-conference.
[/quote]
Yeah, I get it. I'd still argue that Providence down a few
players is still better than SBU in terms of talent and
athleticism. I think back, too, to what was undoubtedly the best
team in SBU history. How many times did we see that team have
trouble under pressure with the clock ticking down. Errant
passes, just in general the wheels coming off. I can think of at
least a couple of big games.
I think so much of all the complaints this year circle back to
this: Who can you realistically get to come play at SBU in the
AE? Bottom line, the "better" players simply go elsewhere...to
Providence and all the "better" basketball programs. You can
recruit your legs and brain off (and I think Boals and Pikiell
both do/did good jobs) and once in a lifetime you might get
lucky, but usually you just get those players left after the big
boys take the most talented.
After that, you do what you can, but there is only so much magic
left in the box to make things better with practice and
experience. Again, game like that maybe you get lucky (Sekunda
hits a couple more threes, a couple of guys don't throw the ball
into the front row in the last few minutes), but usually not.
That said, you're right. AE levels the playing field when the
time comes. Those final 3 playoff games are all that really
matter. This SBU group still has a lot of weapons within the
context of AE play. So do a lot of AE teams. Obvious, I know,
but the AE always seems to come down to whoever is hot in March,
which could be any team.
[/quote]
You are correct, Movietfred. The only way to garnish higher
caliber players is to move into a stronger conference. Mac or
American for all sports would be a logical fit for SB.. But, we
would have to be invited in. Maybe A10 for BB like Rhode Island
is in....
In order to be invited in SB would have to meet some big
criteria . Attendance and seating capacity for starters. I
I think we talked about this topic in the past, and COB would
probably do a better job with conference requirements then I
could..
#Post#: 20584--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 12: at Providence 12/17
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: December 18, 2017, 9:02 am
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actually i think you give me too much credit... i dont know that
stuff that well.
what i do know is if we hit a foul shot or two, we might be in
this game!
#Post#: 20585--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 12: at Providence 12/17
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: December 18, 2017, 9:26 am
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The MAC would be a likely landing spot if we went FBS, but other
than Buffalo, and whoever else is hot in the league that year, I
don't have an interest in playing the MAC schools in football.
Outside of football it'd be the same story, though I guess the
MAC would be a slight upgrade in basketball and worth it if we
had FBS ball and could get regional opponents at Lavalle? I'm
not sure. I'd love FBS football, but until we can get the
attendance up, it's likely not worth discussing all that much.
The American is off the table for now. They're not taking an FCS
school. Long term we could wind up there, but it's not realistic
at the moment.
I've long talked about the A10 as a good landing spot and warned
about what may happen if we took the CAA all-sports invite, but
the A10 is in serious danger of being a one-bid league this year
as well. I've always said if we moved, we'd need to move to a
multi-bid conference. We gain nothing by moving laterally to
another one-bid league as it just makes competition for that
auto-bid harder. If the CAA becomes a multi-bid conference with
us in it, I'd be happy to consider the move. The AE was 28th or
29th out of 32 conferences in basketball RPI right now, which is
pathetic. On paper this league should be stronger than it is.
State flagship schools in the northeast can do better than this.
Assuming JMU is out the door in the near future, could that
league backfill with us and Albany? It's a possibility.
What Mark Few has accomplished at Gonzaga shows that with the
right coach, you can develop an elite program outside of a power
conference. With the schedule we had this year, if we won some
of these games? Uconn, Michigan St., yesterday's game, etc. and
build that resume up, we could be that kind of program that's in
the tournament every year despite being in a weaker conference.
We wouldn't need to have the ball bounce our way every March to
have a chance. Just have to win those games and develop some
kind of recruiting pipeline. Sell the school, not the
conference. I think our new tougher scheduling model is the
first step in that direction.
#Post#: 20586--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 12: at Providence 12/17
DIR By: Checkmate
Date: December 18, 2017, 9:33 am
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Tough one to swallow; we might lead the country in moral
victories. It would have been nice to have gotten one of these
scalps, particularly UConn or Providence just as something to
hang our hat on regionally. Either would certainly resonate more
with boosters, fans, recruits, etc. And if we got two of them?
Then we're being discussed like Monmouth has been the past
couple years – small school but with some teeth.
Just some costly errors down the stretch in yesterday's game. It
unraveled quickly once they hit us with the press. I expect
we'll see a lot of that this year; it was useless against
Woodhouse but not this year.
Man, if Akwasi had squeezed that rebound late, we'd have been
down one with the final shot. Instead, a steal and a Sekunda
foul (on a great effort play mind you). A real nice tip-in by Ty
on the Cornish miss to tie it though. Ty's peaks and valleys are
unlike any player I can think of in the past.
COB, we actually did make our free throws in this one! 6 for 8!
But they were 18 for 25. That disparity is a product of our lack
of inside presence and inability to get to the rack outside of
Cornish. The kid Ashton-Langford is going to be really good for
PC the next three years – he penetrated with ease and filled in
nicely for Cartwright.
Akwasi up to .432 from three, and Sekunda's at .500. Two big
weapons who we need to feed.
On another topic, we are currently fifth in the America East in
attendance.
Vermont 2,814
Binghamton 2,506
Albany 2,462
Hartford 1,466
Stony Brook 1,440
That's abysmal, guys. Last year, we finished at 3,221 per game,
or more than double what we're doing now. I know the students
will come out for the conference games, but any explanation that
you can think of otherwise?
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