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#Post#: 21627--------------------------------------------------
Re: SB Lacrosse 2018 Season
DIR By: topnotch
Date: February 28, 2018, 12:39 pm
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> last 4 years 27th,5th,5th,16th in the country in scoring. I
believe coach Gibson was there for that.
>
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Yes, he had big offensive production numbers with Rogers,
Eastwood, Schultz, Rooney Corpolongo and Bitzer.
Tell me what OC would not have huge numbers with that talent
pool on the offensive end ???? Yet they never won the America
East with those guys. How come???
A good coach adjusts and gets the most out of his players even
if he does not have the level of talent he has had in the past.
Don't cry about it and not do your job! Adjust your game plan
with an offense that best suits the talent pool.
To the poster who mentioned lifeless players with the answer
being 6:00 am workouts. You are not understanding what you are
seeing out there. These kids run more miles than the cross
country team. They are all banged up, washed out, and completely
demoralized. Beating a dead horse never accomplishes much!
#Post#: 21629--------------------------------------------------
Re: SB Lacrosse 2018 Season
DIR By: ry1nik
Date: February 28, 2018, 12:53 pm
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> [quote author=Hammertime link=topic=620.msg21607#msg21607
date=1519815074]
> [quote author=Wolfie_MD link=topic=620.msg21601#msg21601
date=1519785237]
> This season is lost. Albany has really taken the throne in
northeast lacrosse and won't be relinquishing it anytime soon
with the way they recruit and develop players.
>
> Just have to hope the young players continue to develop. Stony
Brook should be an elite program given where we draw talent
from. I'm a guy who is trying to get into lacrosse so won't
pretend to know the nuances of the game but it is incredibly
painful to get smoked by Hofstra in any sport. I know the team
is young but this was an awful outcome.
>
> The mediocrity has got to stop. It's time for Heilbron to make
his first major lacrosse move and find a coach that can develop
talent and win games. The men's lacrosse program is lagging
behind the other major sports at the university which should
absolutely not be the case.
>
> Heilbron should be on the phone trying to find our next coach
ASAP.
>
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I agree, but it is all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ right now and
I dont think SB is in the financial position to hire and fire at
will...
[/quote]
BIG, BIG, BIG shout out to SB girls #1 in the country. Nice job
girls and Coach Spallina.
The numbers have been reported, they are public record.
Something like Nagle $210k, Marr of Albany $145k, Spallina SB
Girls $145k. SB should grab either one and give them a $100k
rise. If we could get ½ the results of Albany or SB girls that
would be a huge improvement . We know where Nagle lax is going,
no question time for a change.
[/quote]
If it's true Nagle is pulling down $65k more per year than
Spallina, that's a major misallocation of salaries.
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Re: SB Lacrosse 2018 Season
DIR By: MFQ
Date: February 28, 2018, 1:06 pm
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Throwing in my .02 here since I played for Nagle (& Gibson).
Players respect Gibson and enjoy playing for him... not so much
the case for Nagle. No one enjoys playing for that guy as he
never once held himself accountable or took any responsibility
(I can't imagine all the blame he is dishing out this week at
practice). All former players I have spoken with over the last
few days are embarrassed by the current state of the program and
want him gone.
#Post#: 21631--------------------------------------------------
Re: SB Lacrosse 2018 Season
DIR By: joewillie
Date: February 28, 2018, 1:08 pm
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--- Quote from: topnotch link ---
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> [quote author=reLAX link=topic=620.msg21621#msg21621
date=1519839091]
> last 4 years 27th,5th,5th,16th in the country in scoring. I
believe coach Gibson was there for that.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, he had big offensive production numbers with Rogers,
Eastwood, Schultz, Rooney Corpolongo and Bitzer.
Tell me what OC would not have huge numbers with that talent
pool on the offensive end ???? Yet they never won the America
East with those guys. How come???
A good coach adjusts and gets the most out of his players even
if he does not have the level of talent he has had in the past.
Don't cry about it and not do your job! Adjust your game plan
with an offense that best suits the talent pool.
To the poster who mentioned lifeless players with the answer
being 6:00 am workouts. You are not understanding what you are
seeing out there. These kids run more miles than the cross
country team. They are all banged up, washed out, and completely
demoralized. Beating a dead horse never accomplishes much!
[/quote]Nagle hasn't adjusted his approach in 7 years...they
game is passing him by
#Post#: 21632--------------------------------------------------
Re: SB Lacrosse 2018 Season
DIR By: Slumberycastle9
Date: February 28, 2018, 1:20 pm
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I couldn’t agree more. Being a former player who has played for
this current staff and Sowell. The problem starts and ends with
Nagle . There is no doubt in my mind he is taking zero
responsibility, and throwing blame around at a couple guys in
the locker room. Since the day he came to SB, he has
systematically broken the program. Don’t know if we have the
statistics on this, but it would be appalling to see the number
of players who transferred out of the program since he came on
board. From Cutting guys who played/started in the NCAA Tourney,
to driving guys like Faceoff specialist Kyle Rowe (who went to
Duke), Tom Monzo Defense, Connor Duddy, etc. out of the program.
There isn’t enough space in the forum to discuss all that is
wrong with his tactics. In my time there, the players had zero
joy in playing for him. The players (at least the years I was
there) all respected Gibson and valued his opinion. To Gibson’s
defense, You can’t do too much when you have a guy like Nagle at
the helm.
#Post#: 21633--------------------------------------------------
Re: SB Lacrosse 2018 Season
DIR By: TriAthlete
Date: February 28, 2018, 1:22 pm
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--- Quote from: MFQ link ---
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> Throwing in my .02 here since I played for Nagle (& Gibson).
Players respect Gibson and enjoy playing for him... not so much
the case for Nagle. No one enjoys playing for that guy as he
never once held himself accountable or took any responsibility
(I can't imagine all the blame he is dishing out this week at
practice). All former players I have spoken with over the last
few days are embarrassed by the current state of the program and
want him gone.
>
--- End Quote ---
Not sure about the 'Players respect Gibson and enjoy playing for
him' part. That is NOT the case on this current team.
#Post#: 21634--------------------------------------------------
Re: SB Lacrosse 2018 Season
DIR By: ry1nik
Date: February 28, 2018, 1:32 pm
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Yes it's early in the season but when you consider SB's RPI is
70 out of 71 teams...
HTML http://laxpower.com/update18/binmen/rpi01.php
#Post#: 21635--------------------------------------------------
Re: SB Lacrosse 2018 Season
DIR By: topnotch
Date: February 28, 2018, 1:41 pm
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--- Quote from: TriAthlete link ---
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> [quote author=MFQ link=topic=620.msg21630#msg21630
date=1519844786]
> Throwing in my .02 here since I played for Nagle (& Gibson).
Players respect Gibson and enjoy playing for him... not so much
the case for Nagle. No one enjoys playing for that guy as he
never once held himself accountable or took any responsibility
(I can't imagine all the blame he is dishing out this week at
practice). All former players I have spoken with over the last
few days are embarrassed by the current state of the program and
want him gone.
>
--- End Quote ---
Not sure about the 'Players respect Gibson and enjoy playing for
him' part. That is NOT the case on this current team.
[/quote]
Triathlete has it correct, I believe any player on this roster
(or any recent roster) would love to meet him in a dark alley.
Not a single name on the roster enjoys playing for Gibson.
#Post#: 21636--------------------------------------------------
Re: SB Lacrosse 2018 Season
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: February 28, 2018, 1:51 pm
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People. I am amazed how many disgruntled fans there are today
talking about their dislike for Nagle and Gibson.. All I can
offer is for each and everyone of you guys to go on Twitter and
hit @shawnHeilbron up in a private message and display to him
your dislike of the coaches and how SBLax is a laughing stock on
long island..
If enough people put pressure on SH, he eventually will look
hard into replacement. Dont forget to throw in how you guys are
considering not going to anymore Lax games and wont support the
program unless something is done, in a hurry!!
#Post#: 21637--------------------------------------------------
Re: SB Lacrosse 2018 Season
DIR By: laxbromid
Date: February 28, 2018, 2:09 pm
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--- Quote from: Hammertime link ---
>
> People. I am amazed how many disgruntled fans there are today
talking about their dislike for Nagle and Gibson.. All I can
offer is for each and everyone of you guys to go on Twitter and
hit @shawnHeilbron up in a private message and display to him
your dislike of the coaches and how SBLax is a laughing stock on
long island..
>
> If enough people put pressure on SH, he eventually will look
hard into replacement. Dont forget to throw in how you guys are
considering not going to anymore Lax games and wont support the
program unless something is done, in a hurry!!
>
--- End Quote ---
Agreed!
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