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Re: Rumor mill: Boals/Ford on the move?
DIR By: ry1nik
Date: March 16, 2019, 12:49 pm
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I tend to agree with laxnation. Really good coaches occasionally
lose games they should win, but don’t blow the “only games that
matter” to one of the worst teams in the country.
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Re: Rumor mill: Boals/Ford on the move?
DIR By: Checkmate
Date: March 16, 2019, 1:01 pm
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Washington State axed Ernie Kent, which could conceivably be a
landing spot for Boals because their new AD, Patrick Chun, was
at Ohio State for much of Boals' tenure. This one feels like a
little more of a longshot but maybe?
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Re: Rumor mill: Boals/Ford on the move?
DIR By: OldSeawolf
Date: March 16, 2019, 4:37 pm
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HTML https://www.newsday.com/sports/college/stony-brook/jeff-boals-ohio-head-coaching-rumor-1.28594882
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Re: Rumor mill: Boals/Ford on the move?
DIR By: Moveitfred
Date: March 16, 2019, 5:11 pm
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If you pick and choose pieces of information to support a
desired outcome, you'll always make a convincing argument that
supports your desired outcome.
I would argue a university and AD should never make decisions by
picking and choosing bits of information from a much larger pool
of history and sample. That just wouldn't make sense, and it
would be stupid to do when also considering the broad landscape
of college basketball and the economic realities of Long Island.
Some additional and important broad facts are:
In his third year Boals arguably overachieved with pretty weak
rosters his first two years. Let's face it, when Pikiell left
the cupboard was pretty bare. Here in his third year (the first
year one might argue was the first one you can assess as a
mostly Boals team) he won the most regular-season games in SBU
D1 history. Sure, argue about the performances and quality of
opponents, but the final number doesn't lie. How many D1 teams
won 24 or more games this year? 50 or so, I think. That is just,
flat out, a pretty good result for SBU. If Boals is, indeed,
best buds with all the players and not their coach (I don't
think that's at all true, but let's say it is) then I would say
being best buds must work as a strategy to get some good
results!
The Stony Brook area is expensive, and frankly not a lot of
people from other parts of the country are clamoring to move
here (I know as I am regularly on hiring committees for academic
positions in the area). Add to that, in the broad context of D1
college basketball the AE (and SBU) doesn't pay well, and the
conference ranks among the lowest in the country. Right now the
reality is the AE is a first stop for serious head coaches. We
were lucky to have Pikiell for as long as we did, and if we have
Boals for 5-10 years I'd guess we'll be pretty lucky with him,
too.
Now, I am not going to suggest that the loss to Bing was not
disappointing/embarrassing. In fact, in the days after I was
thinking, quite frankly, that may have been the most
embarrassing SBU loss I can think of in recent memory...maybe
ever? I mean, sure, those numerous letdowns in previous
conference tournaments were disappointing, but to lose that game
to that team at home was bad.
And, yeah, it stings, but plenty of other "good" coaches and
programs have lost high-stakes games. Virginia got embarrassed
last year, for sure. Duke lost embarrassing NCAA tournament
games as a high seed to Lehigh and Mercer. It happens. Thing is,
too, as much as we'd like to think otherwise--there is not much
separation of talent among AE teams and rosters. After the Power
Five teams get all the blue chips, and then all the other
higher-quality conferences and teams skim off the rest of the
low 4/3/high 2 star players, pretty much every AE team is
scrambling to pick through the great mass of 2 star players
left. I know SBU (and UVM) fans like to think they're a whole
lot better than the other teams, but they're really not.
So.... let's just say after this season and taking into account
a few bits of information you as the AD and university are firm
in your conviction to fire Coach Boals. You demand results, and
even though a lot of markers from the season are pretty good and
your guy has only been here three years, you will simply not
accept failure at any point.
Okay, so what's the word about SBU that spreads among the
tight-knit coaching community: Uproot your family to move to
really expensive Long Island and coach SBU for low pay in a $h!t
conference, oh and if you win the most games in school history
but lose a couple of games we think you should win you're out
the door, buddy. Fired!
Hey, good luck finding your next coach and building your
program. I'd say that is a stupid way to do business, all things
considered.
#Post#: 26289--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rumor mill: Boals/Ford on the move?
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: March 17, 2019, 7:31 am
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--- Quote from: Moveitfred link ---
>
> If you pick and choose pieces of information to support a
desired outcome, you'll always make a convincing argument that
supports your desired outcome.
>
> I would argue a university and AD should never make decisions
by picking and choosing bits of information from a much larger
pool of history and sample. That just wouldn't make sense, and
it would be stupid to do when also considering the broad
landscape of college basketball and the economic realities of
Long Island.
>
> Some additional and important broad facts are:
>
> In his third year Boals arguably overachieved with pretty weak
rosters his first two years. Let's face it, when Pikiell left
the cupboard was pretty bare. Here in his third year (the first
year one might argue was the first one you can assess as a
mostly Boals team) he won the most regular-season games in SBU
D1 history. Sure, argue about the performances and quality of
opponents, but the final number doesn't lie. How many D1 teams
won 24 or more games this year? 50 or so, I think. That is just,
flat out, a pretty good result for SBU. If Boals is, indeed,
best buds with all the players and not their coach (I don't
think that's at all true, but let's say it is) then I would say
being best buds must work as a strategy to get some good
results!
>
> The Stony Brook area is expensive, and frankly not a lot of
people from other parts of the country are clamoring to move
here (I know as I am regularly on hiring committees for academic
positions in the area). Add to that, in the broad context of D1
college basketball the AE (and SBU) doesn't pay well, and the
conference ranks among the lowest in the country. Right now the
reality is the AE is a first stop for serious head coaches. We
were lucky to have Pikiell for as long as we did, and if we have
Boals for 5-10 years I'd guess we'll be pretty lucky with him,
too.
>
> Now, I am not going to suggest that the loss to Bing was not
disappointing/embarrassing. In fact, in the days after I was
thinking, quite frankly, that may have been the most
embarrassing SBU loss I can think of in recent memory...maybe
ever? I mean, sure, those numerous letdowns in previous
conference tournaments were disappointing, but to lose that game
to that team at home was bad.
>
> And, yeah, it stings, but plenty of other "good" coaches and
programs have lost high-stakes games. Virginia got embarrassed
last year, for sure. Duke lost embarrassing NCAA tournament
games as a high seed to Lehigh and Mercer. It happens. Thing is,
too, as much as we'd like to think otherwise--there is not much
separation of talent among AE teams and rosters. After the Power
Five teams get all the blue chips, and then all the other
higher-quality conferences and teams skim off the rest of the
low 4/3/high 2 star players, pretty much every AE team is
scrambling to pick through the great mass of 2 star players
left. I know SBU (and UVM) fans like to think they're a whole
lot better than the other teams, but they're really not.
>
> So.... let's just say after this season and taking into
account a few bits of information you as the AD and university
are firm in your conviction to fire Coach Boals. You demand
results, and even though a lot of markers from the season are
pretty good and your guy has only been here three years, you
will simply not accept failure at any point.
>
> Okay, so what's the word about SBU that spreads among the
tight-knit coaching community: Uproot your family to move to
really expensive Long Island and coach SBU for low pay in a $h!t
conference, oh and if you win the most games in school history
but lose a couple of games we think you should win you're out
the door, buddy. Fired!
>
> Hey, good luck finding your next coach and building your
program. I'd say that is a stupid way to do business, all things
considered.
>
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"The Stony Brook area is expensive, and frankly not a lot of
people from other parts of the country are clamoring to move
here (I know as I am regularly on hiring committees for academic
positions in the area)"
Moveitfred. Your writing skills and knowledge of college sports
always amazes me. If you dont mind me asking, what field of work
are you in? I could see you being a beat writer for ESPN or
CBS..
#Post#: 26292--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rumor mill: Boals/Ford on the move?
DIR By: OldSeawolf
Date: March 17, 2019, 1:25 pm
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OH and Boals waste no time. He’s off to his alma mater. Didn’t
even stick around for their crummy post-season tournament.
Anyway, wish him well.
#Post#: 26293--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rumor mill: Boals/Ford on the move?
DIR By: SBU9191
Date: March 17, 2019, 1:49 pm
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Not to push this thread into a different direction but I think
this partially highlights that Stony Brook needs to get into a
better conference if it wants to truly develop the athletic
programs and reach a whole new level of national success. There
is only so much that you can accomplish in the America East when
it comes to recruiting, attracting coaches, and holding onto
coaches.
#Post#: 26295--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rumor mill: Boals/Ford on the move?
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: March 17, 2019, 2:25 pm
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ouch. we will bounce back. we have some good players.
what is the immediate impact- do we lose anyone? kwas? bench
players? committed recruits???
also- don't discount that this could be a good thing in the long
run, never know...
#Post#: 26296--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rumor mill: Boals/Ford on the move?
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: March 17, 2019, 3:18 pm
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To all the knuckleheads on this forum who thinks SB should stay
in the AE and CAA for all sports! this goes out to you. SB is
going to be fucked for years to come in BB. Suck it up and push
to move out of these bottom dweller conferences, if sports is as
important as they make it out to be!! # I will not be renewing
my BB tickets for next season.
#Post#: 26332--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rumor mill: Boals/Ford on the move?
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: March 20, 2019, 1:46 am
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--- Quote from: Hammertime link ---
>
> To all the knuckleheads on this forum who thinks SB should
stay in the AE and CAA for all sports! this goes out to you. SB
is going to be **** for years to come in BB. Suck it up and push
to move out of these bottom dweller conferences, if sports is as
important as they make it out to be!! # I will not be renewing
my BB tickets for next season.
>
--- End Quote ---
I see what you're saying, but honestly, where are we going to
go? The CAA is better, but still a one bid league and Hofstra
will block. The A10 has too many teams already, and is full of
private schools who we would have nothing in common with. It
wouldn't be the best fit and why would they take us right now?
Unless it's for an FBS conference, we're not going anywhere for
a while. We'd need to get through the buzzsaw that is Vermont
and win the AE multiple times to be attractive for the A10 and
even then there's the institutional fit problem I mentioned.
The AE isn't even that bad. Vermont has a decent chance at
beating FSU on Thursday, and UMBC got the greatest win in
college basketball history. It's the bottom feeders in this
conference who have been crap forever playing in high school
gyms like Maine, New Hampshire, etc that are anchors and kill us
in the computer rankings. Plus I predict some instability in the
CAA once JMU goes FBS as there could be a split between the
publics and privates in that league. I wouldn't at all be
shocked if say JMU goes FBS, William and Mary goes to the
Patriot, Elon back to the Socon, etc. This would open up the
option of Delaware, Towson and others to the AE who fit in a
conference of public schools.
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